Seventh Day Adventists and Drug Addicts: A Call for Compassion

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Aaron56

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As some of you know, I spent over 20 years in the behavioral health field. Over that time I got to know a lot of people who were addicted to drugs. When I was young, I thought “why is it so difficult to stop doing the drug that is destroying your life? “ What I didn’t understand was that their addiction was not only about the substance they took it was about the community they were involved in. These were people who were connected to other addicts, and so giving up their substance meant giving up their friends, their family and the community in which they felt most comfortable.

Once I realized this, I had compassion on them. Now, this didn’t make the reality of their addiction less serious, but I began to see that they needed much more than just an end to their substance of choice. They actually needed hope that if they came out of their community there would be others who accepted and loved them. The other thing I gained: I was able to speak to the impending pain of loss that they would most certainly feel after being disconnected from those with whom they have relationships.

Cults, like Seventh-day Adventists, understand this principle, and they use it against their followers. They create a religion of isolation, where, “stepping away” means eviction from an entire community. Mormons also use this principle: they will even harass, follow, and publicly disparage those who turn away from their practices. This is the reality they face if they are ever “wrong“ in their beliefs, not just a different way of understanding the Lord, but isolation from their friends, family and peers.

So, this is a call to be compassionate, to an extent, for the cult members who argue their position seemingly without fatigue. Their position means more to them than just being right religiously. It also assuages their fears of being excommunicated from their communities. This is why there is so much energy behind it: they are trying to preserve the life they have obtained.

This is good to keep in mind for those of us who understand our position in Christ is not about what we do but about who God made us to be.
 

SabbathBlessing

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People can say anything, doesn't make it true.

God's Word is True and was predicted these kinds of attacks would happen on those who want to uphold all Ten of God's commandments Rev 12:17.

Similar to the attacks of Jesus and His apostles in scriptures, so nothing new under the sun.

Here are testimonies from various previous drug addicts about the SDA church.

Testimonies of Changed Lives | Amazing Facts

Here's a video that may help too.

 

Komentaja

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People can say anything, doesn't make it true.

God's Word is True and was predicted these kinds of attacks would happen on those who want to uphold all Ten of God's commandments Rev 12:17.

Similar to the attacks of Jesus and His apostles in scriptures, so nothing new under the sun.

Here are testimonies from various previous drug addicts about the SDA church.

Testimonies of Changed Lives | Amazing Facts

Here's a video that may help too.

Im not an adventist but I do appreciate you guys not preaching lawlessness like "our position in Christ is not about what we do but about who God made us to be" which would mean that we can deny Christ,rob steal murder and pillage and it all has nothing to do with us being in Christ. Yeey. Despite the Bible saying exactly this in Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 etc.
 

Aaron56

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They also create dichotomies where non exist. Like, “moving beyond the law automatically makes one lawless”. How silly.
When we are restored in Christ we are brought back to God’s original intent: that He should dwell in us. His Spirit in us requires no law because His nature, by the Spirit, becomes our nature.
 

Aaron56

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Similar to the attacks of Jesus and His apostles in scriptures, so nothing new under the sun.
Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes the reason is you’re wrong and you’re teaching lies.

And quit making fantasies: If the Apostles taught the law the Jews would have loved them.
 

Aaron56

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The biblical history of those like the Seventh Day Adventists can be found here:

1And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.2Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question”

Disputes against them do not certify their martyrdom. Instead, disputes validate their error.
 

SabbathBlessing

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The biblical history of those like the Seventh Day Adventists can be found here:

1And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.2Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question”

Disputes against them do not certify their martyrdom. Instead, disputes validate their error.
Jesus and Paul sum up nicely what we believe…

If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Mat 15:3 3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother,“Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father[a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
 

TMS

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The SDA church is not a cult.
People are given free choice, To stay or leave, to believe or not believe.

As a member of Christ's body I don't become a member of a cult. But the people (body) is asked to follow and obey.

Just because the SDA members have common beliefs does not make them a cult and just because they believe it is better to avoid evil does not make them a cult.

Many SDA people run clinics for the poor and needy, many charities are run by SDAs so they care about the needy.

1Th 5:21-22
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Pro 4:14-19
14 Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men. 15 Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away. 16 For they sleep not, except they have done mischief; and their sleep is taken away, unless they cause some to fall. 17 For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence. 18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day. 19 The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

Phi 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
 

SabbathBlessing

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I forgot to mention, we do not keep the commandments to be saved, the commandments just reveal our condition Rom 7:7 Romans 3:20 and our need for Jesus. 1 John 1:9 Pro 28:13

The commandments are kept because we love Jesus so much and He changes us from the inside out and this is the result of that change:

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

And that change reconciles us:

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
 

Aaron56

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John 14:15 “If you love me, keep my commandments”.

They always stop short…

John then wrote, And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.”

Further revelation. Further understanding.
 

SabbathBlessing

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John 14:15 “If you love me, keep my commandments”.

They always stop short…

John then wrote, And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.”

Further revelation. Further understanding.
That is a commandment, and if we believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ we would believe His teachings like the ones I quoted above Mat 15:3-14, and Mark 8:7-13, Mat 5:19-30, Mat 2:27, Mat 19:17-19 Isa 56:1-6, Isa 58:13 Exo 20:6 John 3:16-20 1 John 2:6 Mat 4:4 etc. etc. etc.
 

Cameron143

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That is a commandment, and if we believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ we would believe His teachings like the ones I quoted above Mat 15:3-14, and Mark 8:7-13, Mat 5:19-30, Mat 2:27, Mat 19:17-19 Isa 56:1-6, Isa 58:13 Exo 20:6 John 3:16-20 1 John 2:6 Mat 4:4 etc. etc. etc.
Can you explain how a person would go about keeping a commandment?
 

Mem

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As some of you know, I spent over 20 years in the behavioral health field. Over that time I got to know a lot of people who were addicted to drugs. When I was young, I thought “why is it so difficult to stop doing the drug that is destroying your life? “ What I didn’t understand was that their addiction was not only about the substance they took it was about the community they were involved in. These were people who were connected to other addicts, and so giving up their substance meant giving up their friends, their family and the community in which they felt most comfortable.

Once I realized this, I had compassion on them. Now, this didn’t make the reality of their addiction less serious, but I began to see that they needed much more than just an end to their substance of choice. They actually needed hope that if they came out of their community there would be others who accepted and loved them. The other thing I gained: I was able to speak to the impending pain of loss that they would most certainly feel after being disconnected from those with whom they have relationships.

Cults, like Seventh-day Adventists, understand this principle, and they use it against their followers. They create a religion of isolation, where, “stepping away” means eviction from an entire community. Mormons also use this principle: they will even harass, follow, and publicly disparage those who turn away from their practices. This is the reality they face if they are ever “wrong“ in their beliefs, not just a different way of understanding the Lord, but isolation from their friends, family and peers.

So, this is a call to be compassionate, to an extent, for the cult members who argue their position seemingly without fatigue. Their position means more to them than just being right religiously. It also assuages their fears of being excommunicated from their communities. This is why there is so much energy behind it: they are trying to preserve the life they have obtained.

This is good to keep in mind for those of us who understand our position in Christ is not about what we do but about who God made us to be.
I was wondering, just now while reading through the threads, how to ask, "who has deceived you? (not you... personally)... I mean, I'd like to know if these that have convince them of some degree of brotherhood, yet would excommunicate you if you diverged from their prescription wouldn't be following any pattern of the man which had two sons, when the one went prodigal..."
 

Mem

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I was wondering, just now while reading through the threads, how to ask, "who has deceived you? (not you... personally)... I mean, I'd like to know if these that have convince them of some degree of brotherhood, yet would excommunicate you if you diverged from their prescription wouldn't be following any pattern of the man which had two sons, when the one went prodigal..."
...I mean, I'd like to know if these that have convinced them of some degree of brotherhood yet would excommunicate them if any diverged from their prescription, this wouldn't be following any pattern of the man which had two sons, when the one went prodigal... and if not, then the love isn't true, even if it seems so, and that's the worst kind of deception.
 

SabbathBlessing

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Can you explain how a person would go about keeping a commandment?
Sure. Before I do may I ask you a question. Do you believe Jesus would give us commandments that He asks us to keep, without giving us the power to obey Him?
 

SabbathBlessing

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I was wondering, just now while reading through the threads, how to ask, "who has deceived you? (not you... personally)... I mean, I'd like to know if these that have convince them of some degree of brotherhood, yet would excommunicate you if you diverged from their prescription wouldn't be following any pattern of the man which had two sons, when the one went prodigal..."
The Adventist church does not excommunicate members. It's a free will church that welcomes everyone regardless where they are with their walk in Christ. If someone is there not in good faith but solely to disrupt the flock, well of course any good shepherd would stop that.

The allegations of the OP is not founded on anything but just their words. I provided a link from personal testimonies who state otherwise.
 

Aaron56

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People can say anything, doesn't make it true.

God's Word is True and was predicted these kinds of attacks would happen on those who want to uphold all Ten of God's commandments Rev 12:17.

Similar to the attacks of Jesus and His apostles in scriptures, so nothing new under the sun.

Here are testimonies from various previous drug addicts about the SDA church.

Testimonies of Changed Lives | Amazing Facts

Here's a video that may help too.

Reminds me of this:

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Cameron143

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Sure. Before I do may I ask you a question. Do you believe Jesus would give us commandments that He asks us to keep, without giving us the power to obey Him?
Yes and no. We, in ourselves, cannot keep the law. But every believer has within them the same power that raised Jesus from the dead. Thus, Christ can live perfectly through the believer.
 

Mem

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The Adventist church does not excommunicate members. It's a free will church that welcomes everyone regardless where they are with their walk in Christ. If someone is there not in good faith but solely to disrupt the flock, well of course any good shepherd would stop that.

The allegations of the OP is not founded on anything but just their words. I provided a link from personal testimonies who state otherwise.
I can only accept the testimony of those who love perfectly, so if any would lie to me, whether knowingly or in ignorance, fails to take the care to love perfectly.