Yes I am aware of that but Christ came and fulfilled the feast days in his earthly ministry and these are God's appointed times nowhere in scripture does it say it was meant only for the jews and not all believers so where do you get that idea?
SEPT COULD BE THE RAPTURE !!!!!
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Observation of those feasts by Israel was required by a law that we are not under. However, all 7 of them together foreshadow Christ's redemptive work from beginning to end.
Four feasts were fulfilled at Christ's death (Passover), burial (Unleavened Bread), resurrection (First Fruits) and birth of the holy nation of God (Pentecost); one feast (day of atonement) began fulfillment when Christ ascended to the throne of God, has continued for nearly 2000 years and will continue until the high priest (Christ) emerges from the holiest place to send the scapegoat away; and two (Trumpets and Tabernacles) remain to be fulfilled.
So they are very important to God because they glorify him, and he will bring the remaining ones to fulfillment in their time.
It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that God is beholden to rapture us out of here on a feast day. As a matter of fact, scripture says that Jesus will return for us on a day and hour we don't expect Him. That means He isn't coming for us on any feast days or hours.
It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that God is beholden to rapture us out of here on a feast day. As a matter of fact, scripture says that Jesus will return for us on a day and hour we don't expect Him. That means He isn't coming for us on any feast days or hours.
It's just logical that Christ will return on the day of Trumpets (Teruah) when the 7th trumpet sounds. The word teruah means clamor; it was a day for Israel to make a lot of noise, which was a shadow of the lord's return with loud noise. That day must be fulfilled and Christ's return is the only thing that could accomplish that.
H8643 תְּרוּעָה truw`ah (ter-oo-aw') n-f.
1. clamor, i.e. acclamation of joy or a battle-cry.
2. (especially) clangor of trumpets, as an alarm.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1 Thessalonians 4:16
Hard to believe you would argue this.
The Feast of Trumpets, also known as Rosh Hashanah, is a Jewish holiday that marks the beginning of the civil new year and is celebrated on the first day of the seventh month in the Jewish calendar. It is a time for reflection, prayer, and the sounding of the shofar (a ram's horn), symbolizing a call to repentance and the anticipation of God's judgment.
The pretrib rapture is what Jesus taught.If you want to keep waiting for your pre-trib rapture, I'm not going to stop you.
It is His position, so it is mine.
I can quite handily debate it.
Wait judgement? that last psrt is not right everything else I agree with but ther sounding of the trumpets is to call and usher in their messiah
"Day"It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that God is beholden to rapture us out of here on a feast day. As a matter of fact, scripture says that Jesus will return for us on a day and hour we don't expect Him. That means He isn't coming for us on any feast days or hours.
"Hour"
That's all .
Not week, month, year.
No foul.(according to scripture)
If he does come on a feast day, and we happen to be told the feast, we still do not know the day or hour.
No need to debate since the great tribulation is so close.
By all means, go ahead and wait for you pre-trib rapture.
So understanding the sanctuary and the services are important for us to understand were Christ is today and how the type, shadow, old testament sanctuary applies to us now.
Understanding this prophecy really helps
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
The heavenly sanctuary started to be cleansed at the end of the 2300 days.
Jesus entered the most Holy place to cleanse the sanctuary of sin and when He finishes He will return.
Rosh Hashanna is a later invention and is not one of God's appointed times. Yom Teruah, though, is the 6th appointed time and marks the beginning of the end of the year. They occur on the same day, but that is irrelevant. It is more sure that the Day of Clamor will be fulfilled, like the first 5 were and are being fulfilled, than the sun will rise tomorrow.
How do pre-tribbers overcome Jesus' declaration that the gathering occurs AFETR tribulation? FABRICATION!
They claim that Mathew 24 is meant for Jews and NOT the Church. They have to do this because in Mathew 24 Jesus clearly says the gathering occurs AFTER the tribulation! His words alone DEBUNK pre-trib. They use the word 'elect' and the 'fig tree' to support pre-trib claiming Jews are the elect and the fig tree always indicates Israel.\par
The word ELECT.
Not once in the New Testament does the word elect/chosen imply Jews. In Mathew 24 it implies BELIEVERS whether Jew or Gentile. In every instance in the NT 'elect' refers either to BELIEVERS, Jesus, or angels. This is Strong's definition of elect.\par
chosen by God,
to obtain salvation through Christ
Christians are called "chosen or elect" of God
the Messiah is called "elect", as appointed by God to the most exalted office conceivable
choice, select, i.e. the best of its kind or class, excellence preeminent: applied to certain individual Christians.
The Fig Tree
Pre-tribbers tell us, "the fig tree represents Israel - the 1948 Jewish generation."
NOTHING in the chapter indicates it's meant for Jews OR that the fig tree represents Israel. Those ideas are clearly debunked.
Mathew 24 is about the parousia and the events leading up to the consummation of the age.
The Parousia is mentioned in verses 3, 27, 27, and 39. It takes one very misled person to believe this chapter is for only for Jews OR that the olive tree represents Israel.
The Disciples asked, "What is the sign of thy\~parousiaand the consummation of the age."
PAROUSIA presence
the coming, arrival, advent
the future visible return from heaven of Jesus, to raise the dead, hold the last judgment, and set up formally and gloriously the kingdom of God.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the Jews. How can this be 1948? Almost three generations have passed since then! The Jews don't even believe in Jesus! The word ELECT indicates CHRISTIANS! Not once in the NT does the word elect or chosen imply Jews.
The generation Jesus is referring to is the one that SEES all the things pass that he mentioned between verses 3 and 31. He uses a fig tree to illustrate. When the branch is tender and puts forth leaves - Summer is near -LIKEWISE - when you see events pass Jesus was talking about previously - HIS RETRUN - PAROUSIA IS NEAR!
It's not that difficult to figure out. The 1948 Jewish generation is long gone. (40-44 years)
Go ahead and miss the rapture Jesus taught.No need to debate since the great tribulation is so close.
By all means, go ahead and wait for you pre-trib rapture.
The Antichrist kills all refusing the mark.
That and the rapture verses are not in the postrib rapture workbook.
Rev 13
"7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Those saints left behind are not to resist.
Rev 13
"15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Could not be clearer.
ALL TAKE THE MARK OR DIE.
Postrib rapture is poorly poorly thought out.
No such thing as "making it through the trib."
Postribbers think they will hide in caves.
Nope.
They will find you.
Rev 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
All saints refusing the mark are beheaded.
Hard to digest for those that were told differently.
Only pretrib rapture fits.
Did you see postribs changing the virgin parable?????
Ask yourself why.
Re read it honestly.
Mat 24 AFTER the trib.
Ok what happens AFTER?
IT SAYS THE SAINTS ARE GATHERED FROM HEAVEN.
HELLO?????
FROM HEAVEN.
it goes on to say they are gathered BY ANGELS....NOT JESUS.
AHEM...The rapture is the gathering of the BRIDE, BY JESUS.
But it gets worse for your doctrine.
Keep reading mat 24.
Jesus says the rapture will be in the setting BEFORE THE FLOOD.
Then he even tell you the setting so you can UNDERSTAND IT IS PRETRIB GATHERING.
NORMAL LIFE
EVERYDAY LIFE
COMMERCE
PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.
THEN HE USES LOT AS THE SAME SETTING FOR GATHERING THE CHURCH.
How can any postribber honestly read that?????
One taken, one left behind ...AHEM....BEFORE THE FLOOD.
AND WORSE YET ....."WATCH AND BE READY"
HUH????????
You have been duped.
It is TO BE READ as it is, not reframed by deceived postrib teachers.
BTW
I do not need "elect" to be Jews.
Far from it.
It says the saints/ elect, are gathered from heaven.
So the pre-trib rapture fits perfectly. Because the saints are already in heaven and he gathers them, IN HEAVEN, and they come with Jesus to earth ,after the 7 yr tribulation, on white horses
I won't take the mark of the beast. I'm not afraid of being beheaded.
But are YOU ready to do so for God? Because you're also going to be here too.
I see this over and over.I won't take the mark of the beast. I'm not afraid of being beheaded.
But are YOU ready to do so for God? Because you're also going to be here too.
Postribs are so brave and Valliant!
But us pretribbers are weak escapists.
The wise virgins had the correct ingredient.
It was Oil.
Oil is a type of the Holy Spirit.
It is like saying John, who was intimate with Jesus was weak and defective.
I would remind you that the rock on which the church was built, arrogantly proclaimed he would never forsake Christ.
"The rock" denied Jesus 3 times.
Postribs have those of us intimate with Jesus as defective and weak.
Think about it. To walk closely and intimately with Jesus , is to lose the natural life.
It is HEAVENS PERSPECTIVE.
IT IS the bible.
It is what Paul taught.
Jesus said " pray that you may be counted WORTHY to escape the things about to come upon the earth and stand before the Son of God "
The key "worthy".
The key to the virgin parable is "worthy vs unworthy "
Read Esther.
In order to be with the king she had to be made worthy.
Read the 7 letters of rev.
They all contain rewards....WORTHINESS.
IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS ...
And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and THEN shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, AND THEY SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days...
Who are the elect?
Not once in the New Testament does the word elect/chosen imply ONLY Jews. In Mathew 24 it implies BELIEVERS whether Jew or Gentile.
In every instance in the NT, 'elect' refers either to BELIEVERS, Jesus, or angels. This is Strong's definition of elect.
chosen by God,
to obtain salvation through Christ
Christians are called "chosen or elect" of God
the Messiah is called "elect", as appointed by God to the most exalted office conceivable
choice, select, i.e. the best of its kind or class, excellence preeminent: applied to certain individual Christians.
And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and THEN shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, AND THEY SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days...
Who are the elect?
Not once in the New Testament does the word elect/chosen imply ONLY Jews. In Mathew 24 it implies BELIEVERS whether Jew or Gentile.
In every instance in the NT, 'elect' refers either to BELIEVERS, Jesus, or angels. This is Strong's definition of elect.
chosen by God,
to obtain salvation through Christ
Christians are called "chosen or elect" of God
the Messiah is called "elect", as appointed by God to the most exalted office conceivable
choice, select, i.e. the best of its kind or class, excellence preeminent: applied to certain individual Christians.
Mat 24 Has 2 gatherings.
1 after the tribulation. And one before the tribulation it's really impossible to miss
Correct.
Revelation 17:14 "They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
No difference between Gentile or Jew to Lord Jesus.
The Bible says it won't happen before the tribulation. But I know most people don't believe this and will argue about it, wasting time instead of building up their faith and endurance. So I just let people believe what they want about it and let the great tribulation and post-trib rapture explain themselves to them.