Self love

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So I'm not wrong in thinking that even someone who is a sinner and far from God can have basic self-esteem to survive? And isn't that invalidated by what she said?

Well, you are wrong to focus on what someone else said instead of what God said in the Scriptures I cited (Matt. 22:37-40, Rom. 5:5).
Those Scriptures indicate that sinners can love self if they repent and esteem God, because God's loving HS will love through them.
IOW, we all are sinners, but remaining estranged from God is hating oneself.
 
Bem, você está errado em se concentrar no que outra pessoa disse em vez do que Deus disse nas Escrituras que citei (Mateus 22:37-40, Romanos 5:5).
Essas Escrituras indicam que os pecadores podem amar a si mesmos se se arrependerem e estimarem a Deus, porque o amoroso Espírito Santo de Deus amará através deles.
Em outras palavras, todos somos pecadores, mas permanecer afastados de Deus é odiar a si mesmo.
I think there are many different opinions that confuse me, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm wrong. I like how you understood this, but I believe that what is not close to God doesn't lose the right to value life, it just won't have true love. That's what I believe, but I don't know. It's okay to have different opinions.
 
We are definitely commanded to love ourselves.
Where?
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matt 22:37-40 (KJV)
"as thyself" sounds like we're already loving ourself. It's our neighbor we're being commanded to love.
 

Portuguese I presume. BTW, welcome to CC.
Your last way of stating the case is correct: God gives all humans the right to earthly life, but apart from God sinners will not have true love and eternal life.
Yes, we all have our own beliefs/opinions, but we all should seek truth and agreement.
Your question regarding self love was a good one. Do you have any others I might help with?
 
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I've been told this before, but does that invalidate my interpretation that every human being should value their life as a form of at least rudimentary self-love? She told me this: The Bible doesn't really talk about self-esteem. It says that love exists in God, because God is love. Love for others, for one's own life, for situations—all of these exist only in God. Outside of that, it's not love.

Humans are capable of healthy self-esteem even if God plays no role in their life; or self-love, whatever you want to call it. And humans have the capacity to love one another. But Jesus talked about a different kind of love that transcends natural, human love.
 
Where?
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matt 22:37-40 (KJV)
"as thyself" sounds like we're already loving ourself. It's our neighbor we're being commanded to love.
Because we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. Can you love your neighbor as you love yourself if you hate yourself?
Also our bodies are His temple. If He lives in us how could we hate ourselves and still love Him? We also belong to Him, shall we not love what is His? Love for ourselves is an extension of divine love from Him.
 
I have some doubts that made me think that maybe I was wrong for thinking the way I do. I would like to share. I have a very specific question. Even the egotistical/sinful/far from God/evil person has the "right" to basic, healthy self-love (the kind that allows life without suicide because it is minimally healthy and does not completely and voluntarily denigrate God's creation, which is human beings)? Am I being heretical/wrong for thinking that yes, they have this right given by God's grace and the minimum necessary to be a steward?

Note: I know that the most correct thing is to be in God, He is the center!! But I have this doubt because if they didn't have this right, life wouldn't be permitted and everyone would live in depression or necessarily with very low self-esteem.

Even the sinner has the right to a minimum of self-love because he was created by God and is sustained by Him.

If I was still 35 years old, I'd agree with you. Now I'm 63 and have learned much so I must disagree with you. I think you might be having an identity crisis, i.e., you don't know who you are...

Scripture says we were created for God's pleasure, to worship God. and so I'll ask you, are you born again, a Christian, Believer? Do you believe scripture is truly God's word? The Bible is our human Manual on how to be a proper human being and to live correctly. Don't know how? Read your Bible. Then, read it some more, pray more than you used to, ask the Lord to show you, you have not because you ask not.

" Even the egotistical/sinful/far from God/evil person has the "right" to basic, healthy self-love (the kind that allows life without suicide because it is minimally healthy and does not completely and voluntarily denigrate God's creation, which is human beings)? ..."

Your life doesn't belong to you. You belong to God your Creator. Your above question brings more questions to mind...Why would you be willing to live minimally when you were born to live an abundant life?
Your asking if it is ok to turn your back on God and live your own life? I would not advise that, your life is not your own, but...you can choose whatever you want. He will not push Himself on you, that's why it is, you have not because you ask not!

Do you understand that we are living in a corrupted world because Adam & Eve fell in the garden? Man has a serious flaw to his nature when he is born here. Loving yourself generally involves the lusts of the flesh. There is two Wolves within you and they are tied together and fight over who gets to control the flesh and it's actions. In reality it is your spirit and soul. If you live for the flesh the spirit loses. If you live for the spirit, you win! He reminded us in scripture, be led by the spirit. That is what you must do.

Because living for yourself is turning your back on God, and the future does not bode well for these ones. The Lord is the one that can turn a bad thing into a good thing and He made the earth into a school for His followers and people. The university of Brotherly love, and final exams are coming up soon! Everything is a test. Everything is a test! Have you learned how to bring your soul and body into subjection to the spirit? Say no to them about that candy bar! I know you work hard and like chocolate and deserve a candy bar if you want it. In the OT, they say, Lord I will humble my soul to you Lord...which means to deny your flesh and say No, and you do it for God.

Scripture says, Deny yourself and pick up your cross daily. Sometimes when I am fasting, my flesh will start asking for food! I tell him, shut up or I will add a day to the fast! And he has learned to shut up. So...fasting isnt really that hard. Man does not live by bread alone, but every one of God's words...Now bread feeds the flesh, and God's word feeds the spirit.

Don't put your spirit on rations, feed yourself on His word while you fast and every day.
 
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Because we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. Can you love your neighbor as you love yourself if you hate yourself?
Also our bodies are His temple. If He lives in us how could we hate ourselves and still love Him? We also belong to Him, shall we not love what is His? Love for ourselves is an extension of divine love from Him.
But is self-love a commandment? If so, where in the Bible?
Those sound like self-focused rationalizations not to obey the two (not three) commandments.
 
I have some doubts that made me think that maybe I was wrong for thinking the way I do. I would like to share. I have a very specific question. Even the egotistical/sinful/far from God/evil person has the "right" to basic, healthy self-love (the kind that allows life without suicide because it is minimally healthy and does not completely and voluntarily denigrate God's creation, which is human beings)? Am I being heretical/wrong for thinking that yes, they have this right given by God's grace and the minimum necessary to be a steward?

Note: I know that the most correct thing is to be in God, He is the center!! But I have this doubt because if they didn't have this right, life wouldn't be permitted and everyone would live in depression or necessarily with very low self-esteem.

Even the sinner has the right to a minimum of self-love because he was created by God and is sustained by Him.

I accidently ran across this scripture and thought of you. Here, scripture spells it out for us largely.

Titus 2:11=14
11 For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people.
12 And we are instructed to turn from godless living and sinful pleasures. We should live in this evil world with wisdom, righteousness, and devotion to God,
13 while we look forward with hope to that wonderful day when the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be revealed.
14 He gave his life to free us from every kind of sin, to cleanse us, and to make us his very own people, totally committed to doing good deeds..../NLT

We are instructed to turn from Godless living and sinful pleasures...!!! Umm, seems clear to me.

In fairness, you have not defined what exactly you mean by self love. So I maybe suggesting wrongly to you? But IME, self love largely means sinful pleasures and doing things that are sinful in God's eyes.
 
Derek Prince is a very good teacher. I was watching it and he starts talking about self love and explains it all biblically, it's worth a watch and he answers most all of your questions. Like the main thing wrong with self love is that your eyes are on yourself and not on Him. He told us in scripture that we are to deny ourselves, pick up our cross and follow Him...

Enjoy:



 
I have some doubts that made me think that maybe I was wrong for thinking the way I do. I would like to share. I have a very specific question. Even the egotistical/sinful/far from God/evil person has the "right" to basic, healthy self-love (the kind that allows life without suicide because it is minimally healthy and does not completely and voluntarily denigrate God's creation, which is human beings)? Am I being heretical/wrong for thinking that yes, they have this right given by God's grace and the minimum necessary to be a steward?

Note: I know that the most correct thing is to be in God, He is the center!! But I have this doubt because if they didn't have this right, life wouldn't be permitted and everyone would live in depression or necessarily with very low self-esteem.

Even the sinner has the right to a minimum of self-love because he was created by God and is sustained by Him.


one has to define "Self-Love." many of the world's definition is corrupt or actually something else .

how about:
  • Self-worth
  • Self-respect
  • Self-control
instead of:

  • Narcissism
  • lack of self-control
  • Disrespecting yourself
Worldly love is not love at all. It is not a godly love for sure. So is ones "self-love," has been formed in the world that love is unsatisfying but conditional.
 
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one has to define "Self-Love." many of the world's definition is corrupt or actually something else .

how about:
  • Self-worth
  • Self-respect
  • Self-control
instead of:

  • Narcissism
  • lack of self-control
  • Disrespecting yourself
Worldly love is not love at all. It is not a godly love for sure. So is ones "self-love," has been formed in the world that love is unsatisfying but conditional.

Yes: worth saving, respectable, cooperating with the HS, reflecting divine love.
 
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