Self Harm

[Carlyw]

I highly doubt we are being played. Have compassion on this poor soul, I petition to you both. She is suffering, and even if she were to be lying or seeking attention thats a sign of a deficit itself. We can not and do not know how much pain she is is.

Sorry if im mistaken but I suspect you two are insinuating that she is here for bad reasons of kind,

She came here for help, thats obvious. I dont think Chist would react to her in such a way, he would have compassion and heal her. Unfortunately, allthough he can heal us today, sometimes he chooses not to. If she is a Christian, im sure shes asked him to MANY times. He has chosen not to, possibly. This would mean that her suffering has a purpose bigger than this present moment, however maybe shes in too much pain to cope.

People are flawed, we certainly arent perfect and we fall. We try to depend on God with all of out might and yet we still grow weary at times. This is somewhat expected from us. She needs help, compassion and uplifting. I hope to God we can provide that for her.

We are Gods ambassadors, we are to act as best as we can, as he would. I do not believe he would show such disregard for the suffering of another.

I dont think im wrong regarding this, but i am open to correction.

If shes anything like most Christians struggling with mental health related things, my guess is that shes seeking God, a lot. She may be growing weak, we can help uplift her as best as possible perhaps.

 

[Avery]

You make a good point. I guess I may be a little jaded because I was played by someone on this site who said her foster mom was abusing her and was very restrictive with her activities and punished her severely. I wrote her and spent time counseling her about submitting to God and she was open but still talked about her misbehavior but it finally occurred to me; how did she get internet privileges with such strict discipline? When I asked her about it I never heated from her again. She (or he) played me. She posted the exact same thing Monday night about cutting. I guess I do seem under compassionate but once bitten twice shy. But I see where you’re coming from because. You’ve been there; I haven’t. So I repent for my skepticism.

 

[Carlyw]

You make a good point. I guess I may be a little jaded because I was played by someone on this site who said her foster mom was abusing her and was very restrictive with her activities and punished her severely. I wrote her and spent time counseling her about submitting to God and she was open but still talked about her misbehavior but it finally occurred to me; how did she get internet privileges with such strict discipline? When I asked her about it I never heated from her again. She (or he) played me. She posted the exact same thing Monday night about cutting. I guess I do seem under compassionate but once bitten twice shy. But I see where you’re coming from because. You’ve been there; I haven’t. So I repent for my skepticism.

I highly respect and appreciate your humility, its rare to see. Let's pray for the best for our Sister and continue to try and help her as best as we can

 

[Levib]

Alexis,

I’m sorry for your loss. This is a demonic spirit of suicide leading you to do this. There are many suicide prevention resources available for free that will help you with coping skills for the short term.

Cutting doesn’t help. If it did, doctors would prescribe and recommend it.

 

[Levib]

It’s better to be a skeptic in private than be publicly wrong. Conventional wisdom says to always take these pleas for help seriously because far too few people make them and they are rarely fake.

 

[shittim]

I don’t know….. Are we being played?

I get that in my spirit.
blessings

 

[shittim]

It’s better to be a skeptic in private than be publicly wrong. Conventional wisdom says to always take these pleas for help seriously because far too few people make them and they are rarely fake.

Not my life experience in these matters.
We know that in these last of the last days many will attempt to distract His Own with lies, boasts, etc.
The lack of response after the post #21 on Monday says a lot.
People giving over to this demonic leading don't shout it out to the world, deceivers do.
blessing's

 

[shittim]

I highly doubt we are being played. Have compassion on this poor soul, I petition to you both. She is suffering, and even if she were to be lying or seeking attention thats a sign of a deficit itself. We can not and do not know how much pain she is is.

Sorry if im mistaken but I suspect you two are insinuating that she is here for bad reasons of kind,

She came here for help, thats obvious. I dont think Chist would react to her in such a way, he would have compassion and heal her. Unfortunately, allthough he can heal us today, sometimes he chooses not to. If she is a Christian, im sure shes asked him to MANY times. He has chosen not to, possibly. This would mean that her suffering has a purpose bigger than this present moment, however maybe shes in too much pain to cope.

People are flawed, we certainly arent perfect and we fall. We try to depend on God with all of out might and yet we still grow weary at times. This is somewhat expected from us. She needs help, compassion and uplifting. I hope to God we can provide that for her.

We are Gods ambassadors, we are to act as best as we can, as he would. I do not believe he would show such disregard for the suffering of another.

I dont think im wrong regarding this, but i am open to correction.

If shes anything like most Christians struggling with mental health related things, my guess is that shes seeking God, a lot. She may be growing weak, we can help uplift her as best as possible perhaps.

"I don't think I am wrong", we are commanded to not lean on our own understanding, but rather to take ALL things to Him for His guidance, which will be in ALL truth.
He will keep His Own from being taken in if we obediently take it to Him for His guidance.
blessings

 

[Carlyw]

"I don't think I am wrong", we are commanded to not lean on our own understanding, but rather to take ALL things to Him for His guidance, which will be in ALL truth.
He will keep His Own from being taken in if we obediently take it to Him for His guidance.
blessings

Okay, but even within our hearing of God we can be wrong. I believe I am right, because I feel as if im being led by God. But to demonstrate humility and the fact that im not perfect, I will always state that I can be wrong. I will never say God can be wrong, because he cant. Only I can, and I try my best to follow him.

Whats the better alternative Shittim?

 

[shittim]

If the words "I, me, mine" are in our vocabulary, we are not where we need to be.
We are no longer our own if we are His and stay in Him.
He confirms His word, if you go to Him for His guidance, then receive and take it in, He will confirm it to you, if you "get it wrong", you have taken His guidance then gone back to leaning on your own understanding.
Both of these teachers have been a great help in teaching walking in relationship with Him, 24/7/365. The first is John G. Lake ministries, Curry Blake, general overseer.

The second is John Wimber's testimony, first of a 12 part in walking with Him 24/7/365.

He is encountering and confirming as I post this. What He does for one, He will do for another, as He is willing to grow us as much as we will be grown.
YMMV

Best wishes,

 

[shittim]

David Hernandez Ministries has these brief, clear, teaching videos as well.

 

[Carlyw]

If the words "I, me, mine" are in our vocabulary, we are not where we need to be.
We are no longer our own if we are His and stay in Him.
He confirms His word, if you go to Him for His guidance, then receive and take it in, He will confirm it to you, if you "get it wrong", you have taken His guidance then gone back to leaning on your own understanding.
Both of these teachers have been a great help in teaching walking in relationship with Him, 24/7/365. The first is John G. Lake ministries, Curry Blake, general overseer.

The second is John Wimber's testimony, first of a 12 part in walking with Him 24/7/365.

He is encountering and confirming as I post this. What He does for one, He will do for another, as He is willing to grow us as much as we will be grown.
YMMV

Best wishes,

I do not agree as Paul often refers to himself within the epistles, he says "I" even at times giving his own opinions on things. For example in 1 Corinthians 7:12-16, Paul states his own opinions, distinguishing them from God. He also goes on in other moments to explain his own suffering, challenges and whatnot. Yes, its for the building of the body, but still his vocabulary often resembles "I, me".

Not Only this, think of King David, a man after Gods own heart, often times he wrote psalms about himself, his misery and sorrow. He cried out to God, he loved God. His language through his writing often talked about himself in relation to God.

Im sure theres so many more examples I can give of people referring to themselves throughout scripture. These are just two notable ones I can think of off the top of my head.

I do not think David Hernandez is a faithful teacher, I have listened to him before. Now I can respect that you do.

I do not think he properly interprets scripture, and I feel as if his teachings are too motivated by his own personal expirience, rather than the contextual teachings of the scripture itself.

Much after I stopped listening to him, I heard that he was directly trained by Benny Hinn, this cause me to be more cautious, as Hinn has a controversial ministry.

I will pass on Hernandez, as for Curry Blake ive never listened to him.

The thing is, we will not see eye to eye. You are more Charasmatic in view, and I am more of a traditional Prodistant. Im a Lutheran to be specific, we see things very differently.

This is okay, if we believe in the Salvific essentials, we both belong to God. We are both saved, we are both his. We can try our best to follow and worship him in the way that we view correct. Our approaches will be different, our thoughts will be different, our worship will be different, but the same God who saved you, has saved me, and others.

 

[shittim]

He isn't looking for religion, He is looking for relationship.
Jesus clearly told of how on that day some will say, "did we not do wonders in your name?" to which He will reply, "except for that, I never KNEW YOU".
Most religions teach to arrive at salvation and then rest there, His command to us was to raise, cast out, etc.
goodbye

 

[Avery]

He isn't looking for religion, He is looking for relationship.
Jesus clearly told of how on that day some will say, "did we not do wonders in your name?" to which He will reply, "except for that, I never KNEW YOU".
Most religions teach to arrive at salvation and then rest there, His command to us was to raise, cast out, etc.
goodbye

“worship Him in the way we view correct”? In John 4 Jesus told the woman at the well that we are to worship Him in spirit and truth. I wonder if that means as (we) see fit? I’m still pondering what that fully means, “in spirit and in truth”. That’s the way He wants to be worshipped. Does that mean different things to different people? God said David was a man after His own heart, and David worshipped with everything he had. I don’t think I am picking at semantics here tho. I am curious what you guys think…

 

[Avery]

Jesus also commanded us to make disciples and take the gospel to all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Just don’t want to focus completely on deliverance. It’s a part of the Great Commission to be sure but not the main focus. The apostles didn’t go demon hunting, but they dealt with them when necessary. Example Acts when Paul cast the demon out of the woman in Ephesus. I think I am rambling and possibly not picking to make a small point so I’ll quit .

 

[Avery]

Jesus also commanded us to make disciples and take the gospel to all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Just don’t want to focus completely on deliverance. It’s a part of the Great Commission to be sure but not the main focus. The apostles didn’t go demon hunting, but they dealt with them when necessary. Example Acts when Paul cast the demon out of the woman in Ephesus. I think I am rambling and possibly not picking to make a small point so I’ll quit .

And, salvation is only the start! God has so much more for us!

 

[Carlyw]

He isn't looking for religion, He is looking for relationship.
Jesus clearly told of how on that day some will say, "did we not do wonders in your name?" to which He will reply, "except for that, I never KNEW YOU".
Most religions teach to arrive at salvation and then rest there, His command to us was to raise, cast out, etc.
goodbye

What translation are you using brother? I say this to indicate whether or not you're intentionally trying to mislead people away from the meanings of that scripture you're using.

The scripture at hand, If im correct as you never specified, is Matthew 7:21-23. Jesus does not say what you are claiming he said, at least in most translations ive seen.

This is what Jesus says: "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness."

You're imlying added meaning into the scripture. He never said "except of that", he simply implied "I never knew you".

I know this may not be serious to you, but it is to me.

My interpretation of this text is this, which I believe God has shown me as it seems to be consistant with the rest of scripture: the will of the Father regarding this time, was given to everyone. The will of the Father was/is to repent and believe/trust in Jesus.

These people rather than repenting and trusting In Jesus for salvation, were trying to depend on their works to make it into heaven. Saying "havent we done these things?"(paraphrasing). This would make them workers of Lawlessness, because as we know, anyone who tries to hold onto even just one part of the law to merit salvation has broken the law.

We know that everyone who trusts in Christ for salvation, and continues to trust in him and not in their works, and follows with repentance is saved.

I believe that everyone who does these things are in relationship with God. Its easy to be saved. The Gosple is not a hard message to understand. However the passage is narrow, because Jesus is the only way, and people arent always keen on trusting in him for this salvation he has to offer.

I cant say that most religions teach to rest at salvation, but some denominations do! Its a good place to be.

We can be assured of our salvation, now with this inspired hope that salvation has given us, it will inspire us to cling to God in faith. This will cause us to look towrds him, which results in sanctification, which is a process. Hence why if you have faith, it will produce works.

As for him commanding every believer to cast out demons, raise the dead, perform miracles, I have not seen scripture that would imply this. I have seen Jesus command the 72 to do so, along with the diciples, and I have seen God work through others to make things happen.

I think God can still use these things within our lives to witness to others, but I cant say im going to base my salvation on them. I am open to God using me in these ways if I feel guided. I do pray for others healing amd such, he has the chance to.

I don't believe my salvation or relationship is dependant on how many spiritual expiriences I am able to display due to my relationship with God. And I say "I am able to display" because thats what Ive seen within much of the Charasmatic church, many claiming to speak for God, falsely inflated by their own ego. They claim to manifest miracles, but they are not there. Many claim to have 100% healing, some may be healed but many not. They claim to hear from God, but many of the prophecies don't pass. This means they arent hearing with 100% accuracy. They do go to him, and they are VERY sure it is from him. But they are still wrong.

I used to be a Hyper Charasmaic, I was often wrong, and many in my church were to. Now I am more focused on diligent study of the scriptures, devotion through prayer, and a effort with God through his strength, to devolp a character that follows what he has clearly asked from us within the scripture.

Religion is good, but you are right, relationship matters. I am of the opinion that sound doctrine can help us worship God in a way that is not only in spirit, but also in truth. That we are not lead away by our own desires, mistaking them for God's.

 

[Carlyw]

“worship Him in the way we view correct”? In John 4 Jesus told the woman at the well that we are to worship Him in spirit and truth. I wonder if that means as (we) see fit? I’m still pondering what that fully means, “in spirit and in truth”. That’s the way He wants to be worshipped. Does that mean different things to different people? God said David was a man after His own heart, and David worshipped with everything he had. I don’t think I am picking at semantics here tho. I am curious what you guys think…

I am of the opinion that to worship in Spirit and truth would be to seek God as the Spirit prompts us, but to adhere to what the scripture says within that seeking.

God isnt a liar and he wont go against himself, if God is guiding us, we can always fact check what we feel as hes guiding us to do with scripture.

The main thing that causes confusion here is the fact that some people try to interpret scripture more loosely, while others try to interpret scripture with other scripture.

Someone who interprets scripture more liberally as "the spirit " guides might think that woman pastors are good for the body of Christ

While I would say that there are specifications for who should or shouldn't be a pastor, and what qualities one must have in order to be qualified. I would say scripture more likely would support this view.

I would say context matters, meaning matters and to worship in truth would be to find out what is actually truthful so that we arent led away by our own desires, mistaking that for the will of God.

I want to follow God, I try to follow God, I seek him in all things. I seek to walk by the spirit.

I am not looking to debate whether or not women should be pastors here, if you disagree and wanted to have a conversation I would like it to be in a designated fourm

Now I will say that some may follow God more within "Spirit", and I believe that they are trying to follow God, and they are saved. I just feel as if the truth part is missing.

I also do believe that the main important thing is that Jesus is the truth, we ultimately need to believe in him and depend on him in order to be within the truth. So I would say to worship in truth most importantly means that we need to be in fellowship with Christ.

I hope this makes sense, I hope its not too long!

 

[Avery]

I am of the opinion that to worship in Spirit and truth would be to seek God as the Spirit prompts us, but to adhere to what the scripture says within that seeking.

God isnt a liar and he wont go against himself, if God is guiding us, we can always fact check what we feel as hes guiding us to do with scripture.

The main thing that causes confusion here is the fact that some people try to interpret scripture more loosely, while others try to interpret scripture with other scripture.

Someone who interprets scripture more liberally as "the spirit " guides might think that woman pastors are good for the body of Christ

While I would say that there are specifications for who should or shouldn't be a pastor, and what qualities one must have in order to be qualified. I would say scripture more likely would support this view.

I would say context matters, meaning matters and to worship in truth would be to find out what is actually truthful so that we arent led away by our own desires, mistaking that for the will of God.

I want to follow God, I try to follow God, I seek him in all things. I seek to walk by the spirit.

I am not looking to debate whether or not women should be pastors here, if you disagree and wanted to have a conversation I would like it to be in a designated fourm

Now I will say that some may follow God more within "Spirit", and I believe that they are trying to follow God, and they are saved. I just feel as if the truth part is missing.

I also do believe that the main important thing is that Jesus is the truth, we ultimately need to believe in him and depend on him in order to be within the truth. So I would say to worship in truth most importantly means that we need to be in fellowship with Christ.

I hope this makes sense, I hope it’s not too long!

not too long. You make many good points and I believe you have a good grasp of scripture and true Christianity. I don’t consider myself a charismatic, but I do consider myself as a full gospel believer. I like what you said about the spirit and truth thing. King David said “My heart is fixed, O God; my heart is fixed.” I want my relationship with Jesus to be like that. King David was whole heart, King Solomon was half heart and King Saul was no heart. May we all be as David. Whole heart. Spirit and truth. It was a pleasure having a conversation with all of you. Blessings

 

[Carlyw]

not too long. You make many good points and I believe you have a good grasp of scripture and true Christianity. I don’t consider myself a charismatic, but I do consider myself as a full gospel believer. I like what you said about the spirit and truth thing. King David said “My heart is fixed, O God; my heart is fixed.” I want my relationship with Jesus to be like that. King David was whole heart, King Solomon was half heart and King Saul was no heart. May we all be as David. Whole heart. Spirit and truth. It was a pleasure having a conversation with all of you. Blessings

It was a pleasure talking with you as well thank you for your continued open mindedness and willingness to read and consider our views. Its a honorable trait, one I would like to think is Christ like.