Seeing or Blind? A Question Raised by John 9:41

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I believe that the problem in this particular case is a combination of pride —because they did not want at all to lose their “position” in society— and the perception that a simple Rabbi, as they considered him, could surpass them. Furthermore, I understand that their blindness was, as I perceive it, the following: “If you said that you were blind, you would have no sin.” They had the sense that they saw, that they possessed all truth, and they considered themselves authorities on the Scriptures. In reality, however, they were deeply darkened regarding the interpretation of the Scriptures, because they preferred to hold on to their tradition rather than the fulfillment of the Scriptures.


As Paul states in Scripture,

Acts 26:5 (KJV): “Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect (in NA28 states heresis) of our religion I lived a Pharisee.”
Therefore, we have leaders of the people and men of God, teachers of the law, who do not believe that the Scriptures are being dynamically fulfilled in the history of humanity, resulting in them treating the Scriptures as their own possession and believing that their interpretations are the complete truth of God. "They think that they see"


This is what I understand in this passage.

What I do not understand is the following: why are there so many denominations with different perceptions of the same written word, with vast contradictory interpretations?

And ultimately, perhaps we should all acknowledge that we are blind —that we lack truth in the absolute sense— and continually seek to find the truth of God?
If we read the entire chapter leading up to this verse, it is a report of Jesus seeing a man born blind.His disciples asked whose sin caused the blindness. The original greek text did not have punctuation. I think the KJV punctuates Jesus' reply incorrectly. Jesus says IMO, "
John 9:3-5 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents. But that the works of God should be made manifest in him, I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day. The night cometh, when no man can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Jesus makes some mud and puts it in the man's eyes and tells Him to go wash in the pool pf Siloam. After doing so the man could see. His neighbours saw that he could see, and saw that he was the man born blind. Some doubted it was the same man, but the man insisted he was that born blind man. When asked how he received his sight, he confesses that Ja man called Jesus had healed him. They brought the healed man to the pharisees. We aren't told why. The pharisees questioned him to ascertain if he had truly been born blind and healed. Some pharisees insisted Jesus had sinned by healing on the sabbath, others said that a sinner couldn't do such a miracle. They asked the healed man what he thought of Jesus. He said he saw Hm as a prophet. The pharisees doubted he had really been blind , so asked His parents whether he had been blind, and how it was that he could now see. They had not seen the miracle happen, so tell the pharisees to ask the son, knowing that the Jews had threatened to cast out of he synagogue anyone who confesses Jesus as Messiah. The pharisees claim to know Jesus us a sinner and therefore not a prophet, The man says all he knows is that he was blind but now because of Jesus he can see. They ask again how Jesus did it, believing that making mud and applying it to the man's eyes was working on the sabbath. The man upsets them by asking if they are considering becoming Jesus disciples, and they deny it, saying they are Moses disciples, because they know who Moses father was, but they don't know who Jesus' Father is. The man points out the marvel of the fact that this man is, like Melchisedek, without an identified father. And Jesus has healed blindness. He proposes that God does not listen to sinners, but has listened to Jesus, so Jesus cannot be a sinner as they accuse Him of being. The pharisees then assert that his blindness was a result of his being born in sin, something Jesus had denied was the case, and they banish the man.

Jesus find him and asks him if he believes in the Son of God. The man says, tell me who he is, I can't believe in him, unless I know who he is. Jesu says, "You've seen Him. It's Me." And the man, recognising the voice as Jesus, believes in and worships Him.

Jesus then says, "I came into the world so that those who are not seeing might keep on seeing (present subjunctive); and those who are seeing might start to become (aorist subjunctive) blind."
Some pharisees say, "Are we blind too?"
Jesus replies, "If you were blind you would have no sin, but because you say, 'We see,' your sin remains. "

Notes -

The blind man, though blind, having heard of someone called Jesus, believed that Jesus was able to heal him and obeyed Him, going to wash in the pool of Siloam, and was healed. When he saw that he could see, He confessed Jesus a prophet. When He saw the man who had healed him, He realised that this man before him was the one who had healed him, and when this man claimed to be the Messiah, he believed Him and worshipped him.

The pharisees, though sighted, saw all the evidence the man born blind was able to see, and that he had been healed by Jesus. They refused to acknowledge the reality they were observing with their own eyes, which pointed to Jesus being God-sent, and they insisted on defaming Jesus, and persecuting and ostracising those who were accepting Him as God-sent. They were claiming to see reality, but they were misrepresenting to people the reality they could clearly see, and mistreating those who confessed the very reality the pharisees could clearly see. And these were the people charged with explaining the law and prophets to the tribes, so that they could identify the true Messiah when He came.

What was their sin? Bearing false witness against Christ. If they could not see Jesus was the Messiah, they would not be bearing false witness. But they could see Jesus was the Messiah, and yet broadcast the opposite, so false-witness remained their sin.
 
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Do you think this could be considered a form of blindness?
The bible says that we are all born "spiritually blind and dead in our sin". So yes, I was blind before I was converted. But God quickened me to life and opened my spiritual eyes, and led me away from those who teach unbiblical doctrines.
 
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If we read the entire chapter leading up to this verse, it is a report of Jesus seeing a man born blind.His disciples asked whose sin caused the blindness. The original greek text did not have punctuation. I think the KJV punctuates Jesus' reply incorrectly. Jesus says IMO, "
John 9:3-5 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents. But that the works of God should be made manifest in him, I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day. The night cometh, when no man can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Jesus makes some mud and puts it in the man's eyes and tells Him to go wash in the pool pf Siloam. After doing so the man could see. His neighbours saw that he could see, and saw that he was the man born blind. Some doubted it was the same man, but the man insisted he was that born blind man. When asked how he received his sight, he confesses that Ja man called Jesus had healed him. They brought the healed man to the pharisees. We aren't told why. The pharisees questioned him to ascertain if he had truly been born blind and healed. Some pharisees insisted Jesus had sinned by healing on the sabbath, others said that a sinner couldn't do such a miracle. They asked the healed man what he thought of Jesus. He said he saw Hm as a prophet. The pharisees doubted he had really been blind , so asked His parents whether he had been blind, and how it was that he could now see. They had not seen the miracle happen, so tell the pharisees to ask the son, knowing that the Jews had threatened to cast out of he synagogue anyone who confesses Jesus as Messiah. The pharisees claim to know Jesus us a sinner and therefore not a prophet, The man says all he knows is that he was blind but now because of Jesus he can see. They ask again how Jesus did it, believing that making mud and applying it to the man's eyes was working on the sabbath. The man upsets them by asking if they are considering becoming Jesus disciples, and they deny it, saying they are Moses disciples, because they know who Moses father was, but they don't know who Jesus' Father is. The man points out the marvel of the fact that this man is, like Melchisedek, without an identified father. And Jesus has healed blindness. He proposes that God does not listen to sinners, but has listened to Jesus, so Jesus cannot be a sinner as they accuse Him of being. The pharisees then assert that his blindness was a result of his being born in sin, something Jesus had denied was the case, and they banish the man.

Jesus find him and asks him if he believes in the Son of God. The man says, tell me who he is, I can't believe in him, unless I know who he is. Jesu says, "You've seen Him. It's Me." And the man, recognising the voice as Jesus, believes in and worships Him.

Jesus then says, "I came into the world so that those who are not seeing might keep on seeing (present subjunctive); and those who are seeing might start to become (aorist subjunctive) blind."
Some pharisees say, "Are we blind too?"
Jesus replies, "If you were blind you would have no sin, but because you say, 'We see,' your sin remains. "

Notes -

The blind man, though blind, having heard of someone called Jesus, believed that Jesus was able to heal him and obeyed Him, going to wash in the pool of Siloam, and was healed. When he saw that he could see, He confessed Jesus a prophet. When He saw the man who had healed him, He realised that this man before him was the one who had healed him, and when this man claimed to be the Messiah, he believed Him and worshipped him.

The pharisees, though sighted, saw all the evidence the man born blind was able to see, and that he had been healed by Jesus. They refused to acknowledge the reality they were observing with their own eyes, which pointed to Jesus being God-sent, and they insisted on defaming Jesus, and persecuting and ostracising those who were accepting Him as God-sent. They were claiming to see reality, but they were misrepresenting to people the reality they could clearly see, and mistreating those who confessed the very reality the pharisees could clearly see. And these were the people charged with explaining the law and prophets to the tribes, so that they could identify the true Messiah when He came.

What was their sin? Bearing false witness against Christ. If they could not see Jesus was the Messiah, they would not be bearing false witness. But they could see Jesus was the Messiah, and yet broadcast the opposite, so false-witness remained their sin.

I break all down to
Job security, what? They knew who Jesus was and yet did not want to lose thier place they had attained, being religious leaders, the way to God. Selfish at making a living doing this controlling the people under them. Selfishness entered them over the money exchanges
Then here came Jesus and healed, told truth, and people heard and followed him, where has there been any other that speaks truth.
When these Pharisees saw others and wanted to talk with them and try to guide them. Those people only wanted to know where Jesus was.
Job security as in the story of Luke 16, comes into play.
Now if Jesus had not come and revealed their sin, (Unbelief, selfishness) No one on the day of Judgment can now use any excuse once the day comes in for anyone to ever say "I" did not know.
However, Job security got the Religious leaders to get Jesus killed, murdered in retrospect, not seeing why? as explained in Acts 1 the Why?
In other scripture, They said, Jesus is the heir, let's kill him and get that inheritance
Spoiler alert, He is risen all are reconciled as forgiven by Father and Son will never die again, that is done once for us all to believe we are reconciled. Amazing Thank you Father. See Col 2, 2 Cor 5:17-20
All I can say now is please Believe and see to not be any worse than the pharisees please Matthew 5:20
 
The bible says that we are all born "spiritually blind and dead in our sin". So yes, I was blind before I was converted. But God quickened me to life and opened my spiritual eyes, and led me away from those who teach unbiblical doctrines.

Oh, no it doesn't. Please, show me where you think it says that.
 
The pharisees, though sighted, saw all the evidence the man born blind was able to see, and that he had been healed by Jesus. They refused to acknowledge the reality they were observing with their own eyes, which pointed to Jesus being God-sent, and they insisted on defaming Jesus, and persecuting and ostracising those who were accepting Him as God-sent. They were claiming to see reality, but they were misrepresenting to people the reality they could clearly see, and mistreating those who confessed the very reality the pharisees could clearly see. And these were the people charged with explaining the law and prophets to the tribes, so that they could identify the true Messiah when He came.

What was their sin? Bearing false witness against Christ. If they could not see Jesus was the Messiah, they would not be bearing false witness. But they could see Jesus was the Messiah, and yet broadcast the opposite, so false-witness remained their sin.

There is lots of people who do this very thing today. They always find some way, some how to deny what they observe when a miracle happens.
 
JESUS said that HE came here for us to "SEE"

John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

Like HE said in John 3:5 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

HE also said if not reborn we can not "SEE" HIS kingdom.

Many people are stuck on interpreting HIS word and just not OBEYING HIS word.

It's all about foundation, this is what he says in John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

We have to be born of water AND of spirit TO ENTER.

The first message that JESUS promised to be preached is the one most debated.

Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

JESUS offers us a path to be reborn but so many people just will not obey and accept the fact that we need to be baptized in JESUS name and HE WILL fill us with the Holy Ghost so HE can lead us.

A lot will JUST NOT ACCEPT it, so it has nothing to do with interpreting HIS word and everything to do with accepting what it says.

Jn 3:
1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doesn't, except God be with him.
(MY NOTE: Nicodemus, a Pharisee, a ruler of the Jews & a trained expert in the Law. Approaches Jesus privately, acknowledging His divine authority.)

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(MY NOTE: "Born again" refers to a spiritual birth, not physical water or ritual baptism. Jesus is introducing a category Nicodemus has no understanding of.)

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
(MY NOTE: Nicodemus a teacher of Israel, has no concept of spiritual rebirth. He's thinking strictly in PHYSICAL terms.)

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(MY NOTE: Verse 6 defines the contrast "Water" corresponds to FLESHLY/PHYSICIAL birth & "SPIRIT" corresponds to SPIRITUAL BIRTH.)

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(MY NOTE - Here is the key: FLESH = PHYSICIAL BIRTH (the natural birth that beginning in the womb, surrounded by amniotic fluid/WATER).

"""Jesus is not teaching water baptism. Jesus teaching is distinguishing TWO BIRTHS!"""
 
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Oh, no it doesn't. Please, show me where you think it says that.
Oh' yes it does, and I'll be glad to show where the bible confirms these awful truths.

Regarding spiritual blindness,
1 Corinthians 2:14
states that the natural person does not understand spiritual things.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4
mentions that the god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers.
Romans 8:7-8
describes the carnal mind as hostile toward God, and
Romans 3:10-12
asserts that none understand or seek God.
John 3:19-20
is used to show that men loved darkness over light.


Regarding being born dead in sin.
Psalm 51:5
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
Ephesians 2:1-3
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
 
Jn 3:
1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doesn't, except God be with him.
(MY NOTE: Nicodemus, a Pharisee, a ruler of the Jews & a trained expert in the Law. Approaches Jesus privately, acknowledging His divine authority.)

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(MY NOTE: "Born again" refers to a spiritual birth, not physical water or ritual baptism. Jesus is introducing a category Nicodemus has no understanding of.)

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
(MY NOTE: Nicodemus a teacher of Israel, has no concept of spiritual rebirth. He's thinking strictly in PHYSICAL terms.)

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(MY NOTE: Verse 6 defines the contrast "Water" corresponds to FLESHLY/PHYSICIAL birth & "SPIRIT" corresponds to SPIRITUAL BIRTH.)

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(MY NOTE - Here is the key: FLESH = PHYSICIAL BIRTH (the natural birth that beginning in the womb, surrounded by amniotic fluid/WATER).

"""Jesus is not teaching water baptism. Jesus teaching is distinguishing TWO BIRTHS!"""

JESUS sure is distinguishing two births, our natural birth and our spiritual rebirth, that is why HE said REBORN.

So you REALLY think JESUS is that stupid to realize the Nicodemus wasn't already born?

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

CAN HE GO BACK IN HIS MOTHER'S WOMB??????????

DID YOU KNOW IF Nicodemus NICODEMUS WAS NOT BORN JESUS WOULD NOT BE TALKING TO HIM???

DID YOU KNOW IF YOU WERE NOT BORN NATURALLY YOU COULD NOT BE "REBORN"

DID YOU NOTICED JESUS SAID "REBORN" "REBORN""REBORN"????

DID YOU KNOW IF YOU WERE NOT BORN NATURALLY YOU COULD NOT REPENT????

DID YOU KNOW IF YOU WERE NOT BORN NATURALLY YOU COULD NOT OBEY AND GET BAPTIZED????

DID YOU KNOW IF YOU WERE NOT BORN NATURALLY YOU COULD NOT BE IN SIN????

I do understand so many people who fight against HIS word makes this mistake.

FYI, JESUS is not stupid, he knows Nicodemus was born of the flesh and is telling him very clearly he has to be REBORN!!!

You do know that Acts 2:38 almost says the same thing right?

Why doesn't Acts 2:38 say Ok your born naturally now you need the Holy Ghost?
 
Oh' yes it does, and I'll be glad to show where the bible confirms these awful truths.

Regarding spiritual blindness,
1 Corinthians 2:14
states that the natural person does not understand spiritual things.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4
mentions that the god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers.
Romans 8:7-8
describes the carnal mind as hostile toward God, and
Romans 3:10-12
asserts that none understand or seek God.
John 3:19-20
is used to show that men loved darkness over light.


Regarding being born dead in sin.
Psalm 51:5
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
Ephesians 2:1-3
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

No one of those say we are born spiritually blind and dead our sin.
 
No one of those say we are born spiritually blind and dead our sin.
I see both in those verses, but as we know you can see whatever you wish to see and you can make the bible say whatever you want it to say.
So it all comes down to how one choses to interpret the bible for himself. There are literally thousands of different ways to interpret the scriptures, this is why the Church is divided into countless denominations.


What's true for you may not be true for me