Searching For Truth Seekers!

[Mikael156]

Hello everyone. I do not plan to be anything or anyone and in fact I am no more than an ant, if that at all. But G-d gives the gifts He decides to whomever He decides as He sees fit.

I am seeking for those who truly want "unaltered/unfiltered/unadulterated" TRUTH. One must know that the Bible and the New Testament are very deep and profound as the book of Proverbs clearly tells us and this wisdom is in the hands of a few not the masses.

Those who seek truth could be the following:

- Those who know there is much more than they are taught in Church
- Want to grow more but do not know where to turn
- Wanting answers to why there is so much division and hypocrisy in the world
- Those who sin and struggle with sin, yet very deeply in their hearts do not want to, know it is wrong but cannot find ways out
- Those who feel alone and voice is not heard yet know they have message that is genuine and universal for all.
- Those who know the Jewish people are very special and yet know the church goes around the wrong perspective with them

If you'd like answers, I would like to help with G-d's help.

 

[shittim]

May we all be found at work for the Kingdom. blessings to you and yours in Jesus name

 

[GWH]

Hello everyone. I do not plan to be anything or anyone and in fact I am no more than an ant, if that at all. But G-d gives the gifts He decides to whomever He decides as He sees fit.

I am seeking for those who truly want "unaltered/unfiltered/unadulterated" TRUTH. One must know that the Bible and the New Testament are very deep and profound as the book of Proverbs clearly tells us and this wisdom is in the hands of a few not the masses.

Those who seek truth could be the following:

- Those who know there is much more than they are taught in Church
- Want to grow more but do not know where to turn
- Wanting answers to why there is so much division and hypocrisy in the world
- Those who sin and struggle with sin, yet very deeply in their hearts do not want to, know it is wrong but cannot find ways out
- Those who feel alone and voice is not heard yet know they have message that is genuine and universal for all.
- Those who know the Jewish people are very special and yet know the church goes around the wrong perspective with them

If you'd like answers, I would like to help with G-d's help.

Nice to meet you Mikael. I have been a truthseeker all of my life, especially after HS in 1967,
and I have a website <truthseekersfellowship.com> for the purpose of sharing what I have learned.
I also have pondered what Scripture says regarding the Jews.

So, if you want to discuss something including me, please begin.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

- Those who know the Jewish people are very special and yet know the church goes around the wrong perspective with them

God is no respecter of persons. What is your basis for this claim?

 

[Mikael156]

God is no respecter of persons. What is your basis for this claim?

If G-d gave strength to men and gave birthing children to woman, this means he gave greater respect? Everyone and everything has a role. It is clear through the entire Bible, G-d chose the Jewish people to be messengers of Wisdom of the Torah/Bible. Yes Gentiles can spread the good news. What isn't clear about that throughout the entire Bible and why take offense?

 

[Mikael156]

Nice to meet you Mikael. I have been a truthseeker all of my life, especially after HS in 1967,
and I have a website <truthseekersfellowship.com> for the purpose of sharing what I have learned.
I also have pondered what Scripture says regarding the Jews.

So, if you want to discuss something including me, please begin.

Hi. Thanks for sharing! Nice site. I tried to find an email or something. I would like to chat if you'd like. My email is riveros111900@gmail.com or let me know how to contact you. Thanks!

 

[GWH]

Hi. Thanks for sharing! Nice site. I tried to find an email or something. I would like to chat if you'd like. My email is riveros111900@gmail.com or let me know how to contact you. Thanks!

Mikael, I am glad you like the website.
I contacted you via the Start Conversation option on this site.
You should see a message by clicking on the envelope icon at the upper right of this page.

Groovy

 

[ResidentAlien]

If G-d gave strength to men and gave birthing children to woman, this means he gave greater respect? Everyone and everything has a role. It is clear through the entire Bible, G-d chose the Jewish people to be messengers of Wisdom of the Torah/Bible. Yes Gentiles can spread the good news. What isn't clear about that throughout the entire Bible and why take offense?

Don't get me wrong, I love Israel because they're special to God because of the fathers. However, as a nation and as a people they've rejected Christ. Yes, God has preserved a remnant for Himself, but overall they've rejected Him. Christ removed Israel's special status as God's representatives and gave it to those who believe in Him, Jew and Gentile. If you're a Jew and love Christ then I can respect that; but if you're looking for respect simply because you're a Jew, not so much.

"Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers." Romans 11:28

 

[GWH]

Don't get me wrong, I love Israel because they're special to God because of the fathers. However, as a nation and as a people they've rejected Christ. Yes, God has preserved a remnant for Himself, but overall they've rejected Him. Christ removed Israel's special status as God's representatives and gave it to those who believe in Him, Jew and Gentile. If you're a Jew and love Christ then I can respect that; but if you're looking for respect simply because you're a Jew, not so much.

"Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers." Romans 11:28

Yes, although I would word it a little differently, saying that Israel as a people fulfilled the purpose for which it was chosen,
which was to be the means by which God provided Messiah for the possible/potential salvation of all humanity, including
Gentiles as well as Jews who accept Jesus as God incarnate or in the human dimension.

 

[Dino246]

If you'd like answers, I would like to help with G-d's help.

With respect, you are setting yourself up as though you have some sort of "advanced knowledge and understanding".

Every single time I've encountered such a person, they are either off in the weeds of error, or they know far less than advertised. Self-promotion just is not a thing in the Christian faith. God makes room for people when He wants to promote them.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

If G-d gave strength to men and gave birthing children to woman, this means he gave greater respect? Everyone and everything has a role. It is clear through the entire Bible, G-d chose the Jewish people to be messengers of Wisdom of the Torah/Bible. Yes Gentiles can spread the good news. What isn't clear about that throughout the entire Bible and why take offense?

Who took offense? I merely stated something that is fundamental to God's nature, a violation of which he hates, and asked what was your basis for saying he esteems one group of people above another. Did I misunderstand you that that was just your way of saying that all of God's children are very special to him?

Yes it's clear that God chose Israel to bring light to the world, and thanks to faithful witnesses in Israel his light has gone out into all of the world. Now every person who chooses has access to God directly through the Melchizedek priesthood rather than having to go through the Levitical priesthood as was done in a bygone era.

Concerning gentiles being able to proclaim the gospel, is there any greater work? They have been faithful to that calling and have preserved the NT writings for the past nearly 2000 years, without which no man, Jew or gentile, would know about the good news.

 

[GWH]

With respect, you are setting yourself up as though you have some sort of "advanced knowledge and understanding".

Every single time I've encountered such a person, they are either off in the weeds of error, or they know far less than advertised. Self-promotion just is not a thing in the Christian faith. God makes room for people when He wants to promote them.

True, which is why we all should be learners and truth seekers rather than claim infallibility.

 

[Blain]

Hello @Mikael156 welcome to the forum I am curious what is your take on losing ones salvation? I am in a discussion with a catholic and that is one of the talking points we are currently on

 

[Mikael156]

With respect, you are setting yourself up as though you have some sort of "advanced knowledge and understanding".

Every single time I've encountered such a person, they are either off in the weeds of error, or they know far less than advertised. Self-promotion just is not a thing in the Christian faith. God makes room for people when He wants to promote them.[/QUOTE

The odds are on your side, but that is the way G-d tests man. Feel free to prove your theory but never doubt that select individuals can be given wisdom as wisdom is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit...

 

[Mikael156]

Hello @Mikael156 welcome to the forum I am curious what is your take on losing ones salvation? I am in a discussion with a catholic and that is one of the talking points we are currently on

Interesting Question:

No one of flesh and blood can be the final judge on ones salvation as one can gain or lose it in the final moments of his life. This is why one should never trust themselves ever until the moment of their passing.

I hope that solves the generality of it unless you have more questions.

 

[Mikael156]

Don't get me wrong, I love Israel because they're special to God because of the fathers. However, as a nation and as a people they've rejected Christ. Yes, God has preserved a remnant for Himself, but overall they've rejected Him. Christ removed Israel's special status as God's representatives and gave it to those who believe in Him, Jew and Gentile. If you're a Jew and love Christ then I can respect that; but if you're looking for respect simply because you're a Jew, not so much.

"Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers." Romans 11:28

I like most of what you have to say. Romans makes it very clear...that is if anyone can truly understand Paul. He speaks just like the Talmud speaks and his words are even parallel to many statements made in the Talmud and that is because he was a student of Rabban Gamliel.

Let me break this down to you.

Kosher Jesus is Rare: If you want to preach a 3 in 1 god, or the Torah is garbage or replacement theory jesus then not only are Jews correct in rejecting that jesus, but Jesus himself would reject that Jesus because that isn't him. Thankfully, G-d has so much grace to the Non-Jews, that after so many years, the Catholic church is falling apart and Non-Jews are awakening to some understanding of the importance of Torah/ "The Law" That Paul clearly states is of great importance, but without faith is meaningless. Which all Jewish authors agree...but its a challenge.

Billy Graham: In a 1958 crusade he pierced the hearts of everyone when he said, "Judas who was with Christ for 3 years, who was on Jesus Team, he was one the 12, but he was covetous and Judas was not saved...that should cause everyone to fear...". Who says any Christian or Jew has Jesus??? Not even Paul was so bold and arrogant to claim he had salvation because its full life of work...how many people have fallen and my G-d spare us from falling!

There is more to say but if you don't understand the flow of Romans which is deeply complex and comes with from a Jewish background best to be humble and say I don't know and I am happy to be a Non-Jew and live faithfully.

 

[GWH]

Interesting Question:

No one of flesh and blood can be the final judge on ones salvation as one can gain or lose it in the final moments of his life. This is why one should never trust themselves ever until the moment of their passing.

I hope that solves the generality of it unless you have more questions.

I would prefer to state it this way: Because accountable souls have MFW, they can become saved or repudiate their salvation
until the end, so we should remain faithful in trusting Jesus or basing our hope of salvation on His atonement and resurrection.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

If you want to preach a 3 in 1 god, or the Torah is garbage or replacement theory jesus then not only are Jews correct in rejecting that jesus, but Jesus himself would reject that Jesus because that isn't him.

The bolded are straw men. If by saying torah you mean the OT, or the first 5 books of it, no Christians call it garbage. And no Christian that I have ever known believes that gentiles as a people have replaced Jews as a people.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

There is more to say but if you don't understand the flow of Romans which is deeply complex and comes with from a Jewish background best to be humble and say I don't know and I am happy to be a Non-Jew and live faithfully.

This has echoes of the mindset that made a distinction between people of the covenant and gentile God-fearers, ie proselytes. All such distinctions were abolished at the cross.

 

[GWH]

This has echoes of the mindset that made a distinction between people of the covenant and gentile God-fearers, ie proselytes. All such distinctions were abolished at the cross.

Yes, per Ephesians.

TOP #144: God’s POS to save all who accept the Gospel of Christ including Gentiles was a mystery until revealed to Paul. [Eph. 1:9-10, 3:2-11] This is an elaboration of TOP #2 & 9. Paul said that this truth was a mystery, although we find hints of it in a few OT writings, especially in Isaiah (e.g., Isa. 42:6, 49:6 & 60:3).

TOP #151: God has revealed that Gentiles are included with Jews in God’s plan of salvation via the Gospel of Christ. [Eph. 2:11-3:6] This is a significant elaboration of TOP #144. God revealed this mystery or insight (Eph. 3:4) to Paul for the purpose of him making the Gospel (3:7) known through the church (3:10).