Science and the bible

[Blain]

Should we go by science or the bible? Here are some thoughts about this.

We know the bible is always correct, for it is inspired by the creator of us and our world, and we know that science is sometimes incorrect because we have seen them change their mind at times. However, scripture is inspired by the Lord, but it is men who put those thoughts into words that he understood at the time he wrote them down. It could be that it is not correct because his understanding was incorrect.

Also, there are times that the Lord’s ways were explained by using a current saying, like we say don’t burn your bridges. We don't mean that as literal burning a bridge. An illustration of this is to tell of God wanting us to be just by saying “an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth”. The Lord was not telling us to take out eyes, the Lord was telling us to be just.

Another misunderstanding of scripture was centuries ago when people thought the Lord told us the earth was square. This was based on the scripture telling of the “four corners of the earth”. There was a cry of outrage when science proved the earth was round.

It is true that science is flawed but sadly many Christians call the word of God flawed as well particularly the kjv only group

T%he way I see it there is mans understanding of science and there is God's if we took science from his understanding the word of God would be proven true and could not be denied logically he is a God of logic he created the universe in specific measurements he created everything out of atoms and cells we even have a specific number of cells in our bodies which science itself proved it astounds me that we read how he created the inverse and man but to find out ecactly how in depth he went into making us is just amaing this is why I love science the more I learn about it the more I am amaed by him

I mean think about it he didn't just create flesh he created every tiny microscopic cell atom and electrons and protons in those atoms

 

[Blik]

It is true that science is flawed but sadly many Christians call the word of God flawed as well particularly the kjv only group

T%he way I see it there is mans understanding of science and there is God's if we took science from his understanding the word of God would be proven true and could not be denied logically he is a God of logic he created the universe in specific measurements he created everything out of atoms and cells we even have a specific number of cells in our bodies which science itself proved it astounds me that we read how he created the inverse and man but to find out ecactly how in depth he went into making us is just amaing this is why I love science the more I learn about it the more I am amaed by him

I mean think about it he didn't just create flesh he created every tiny microscopic cell atom and electrons and protons in those atoms

I believe that God has a sense of humor and chuckles at arrogant scientist who are sure the know it all.

Many scientist simply try to understand how God created it all to be and God sometimes helps them. I read that it was an accident that scientist found ways to vaccinate when they were working with blue dye. Bewildering to me, but wonderful.

 

[JaumeJ]

Perhaps people are not thinking of the Almighty.

 

[soberxp]

I could understand that, but I am not speaking of understanding or interpreting scripture. My post are just quoting scripture.

To differ then, would have to be that you do not believe the original scripture, you believe the translation of the original. Is that what you are saying?

No, I didn't say that mean.
I'm interested in what you mean by the original Hebrew text.

but honest,I didn't find The biggest difference between The original scripture and The translation of The original.

Gen1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

We can understand these meanings in context。

 

[soberxp]

Perhaps people are not thinking of the Almighty.

what The point ?

 

[Blain]

No, I didn't say that mean.
I'm interested in what you mean by the original Hebrew text.

but honest,I didn't find The biggest difference between The original scripture and The translation of The original.

Gen1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

We can understand these meanings in context。

Many people argue over the legitimacy of different translations claiming this version is false or that translation is corrupt but I have read many different versions of scripture and though yes different words are used the message is the same God speaks through his word it is called the word of God not the different words of God for a reason the spirit gives us insight and understanding or perhaps text is enough to make people forget that

 

[Angela53510]

If you study Genesis 1:1-3, there was something here when we are told of "in the beginning". And when was the beginning? God does not tell us of creation in text book style.

Genesis 1: 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

In Hebrew, the word translated as darkness meant chaos or evil. The Hebrew word translated as light meant all things good. It wasn't until the fourth day that God created the light as we think of it as sunlight and moonlight.

There is mystery in the first chapter of Genesis, and God tells us plainly in simple language all we need to know.

This is not true! In Hebrew:
Bad/evil - ra רַע
Good - tov טוב
Light - or/ohr אור
*And God saw the light, that it was good.’ Gen. 1:4.

Darkness - וְחֹ֖שֶׁךְ choshek, 21 darkness, obscurity — absolute
*The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. Gen 1:2

I don't know why you think you can getting away with posting things that are not true. You should not make up things to make it look like your Messianic Jewishness is based on the Bible, when it is based on your imagination.

Those are such simple, introductory words in Hebrew. Reading Genesis 1, 2, is basic to any introductory Hebrew class. I am sure many here know these words. And if not, be assured that I will call you out when you make up words, don't even know the actual Hebrew words, and use your imaginative nonsense to support your heretical OT laws doctrine!

 

[Angela53510]

Right there with you!

I don't understand why so many people -- both faithful people and scientists -- seem to think it's an either/or thing. There are literally millions of people who see no conflict in accepting science and believing in God. Sure, there are some scientists who are atheists, and there are some religious folk who reject science. But like you say, for me, the more I study science and the beauty of this natural world, the more I find Divinity.

Calvin called "nature" (God's creation) God's second book! The Bible must be our first and primary source, always. But the world and how things work also show us God! I always find God in nature. My undergrad degree was in environmental studies-biology/geology/Geomorphology/ atmospheric science/etc.

I was living in the country, in a log cabin, and the natural world was so wonderful. So I went to university to study science. By the end of the first year, I had met Christ.

Interestingly, a number of my professors believed in God and creation, in science in a secular university. Nature draws us to the creator!

 

[gb9]

sun. afternoon, i walked outside my house, looked up at a bright blue sky with thin swirling clouds , with a huge flock of blackbirds flying over.

only a creator could make such things. i know this is about science , but we all should look at nature and give thanks and glory to God for His creation more often..

 

[Blik]

This is not true! In Hebrew:
Bad/evil - ra רַע
Good - tov טוב
Light - or/ohr אור
*And God saw the light, that it was good.’ Gen. 1:4.

Darkness - וְחֹ֖שֶׁךְ choshek, 21 darkness, obscurity — absolute
*The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. Gen 1:2

I don't know why you think you can getting away with posting things that are not true. You should not make up things to make it look like your Messianic Jewishness is based on the Bible, when it is based on your imagination.

Those are such simple, introductory words in Hebrew. Reading Genesis 1, 2, is basic to any introductory Hebrew class. I am sure many here know these words. And if not, be assured that I will call you out when you make up words, don't even know the actual Hebrew words, and use your imaginative nonsense to support your heretical OT laws doctrine!

You are a scholar of Hebrew, and I have taken the word of a scholar of Hebrew. You say that the scholar I quote is all WRONG, and you are all RIGHT, and scold me as being untrue, saying you are the better scholar. On what grounds do you back up your claim that you are so superior? You have admitted that your study of Hebrew is of modern Hebrew, and the scholar I am taking the word for has studied ancient Hebrew.

I have had it explained to me why the word transcribed as light is different in the first day and the fourth day, you are not explaining that at all. Yet you claim superiority. If you are so superior to all others, please explain this. You have backed up his claim that the light of the first day is good, and at the same time go on and on about your superior knowledge.

 

[Blik]

No, I didn't say that mean.
I'm interested in what you mean by the original Hebrew text.

but honest,I didn't find The biggest difference between The original scripture and The translation of The original.

Gen1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

We can understand these meanings in context。

I don't see how "original text" could be explained except by those words. People study Greek because much of the only copies we have of the oldest NT was in Greek, and in the same way people search of ancient Hebrew because the oldest copies of the OT were in Hebrew. Hebrew is more difficult because the first Hebrew was written in pictograph, and the language evolved over the years as our English language has evolved. Shakespeare wrote in English, and he is difficult for the modern reader to understand.

I don't see how "in context" applies to the third verse of Genesis 1. God said let there be light, is simply that light was given to the darkness.

 

[lastofall]

[for me anyway] science is good only when it keeps itself bowed down under the Word of God: but when it begins to think and to speak above that which is written, then it is becomes evil; and there is no gray area in the midst.

 

[Angela53510]

You are a scholar of Hebrew, and I have taken the word of a scholar of Hebrew. You say that the scholar I quote is all WRONG, and you are all RIGHT, and scold me as being untrue, saying you are the better scholar. On what grounds do you back up your claim that you are so superior? You have admitted that your study of Hebrew is of modern Hebrew, and the scholar I am taking the word for has studied ancient Hebrew.

I have had it explained to me why the word transcribed as light is different in the first day and the fourth day, you are not explaining that at all. Yet you claim superiority. If you are so superior to all others, please explain this. You have backed up his claim that the light of the first day is good, and at the same time go on and on about your superior knowledge.

You are really losing it! I have never studied modern Hebrew. I like Masoretic Hebrew, (8th -10th centuries AD) because it has the dots for vowels, making it easier to pronounce the letters, but also a much better way to determine nouns and verb tenses.

So, your first thing wrong.

Second, I have written out all your key words in English, Hebrew and transliterated Hebrew using the sounds of English letters to write out the words so people without a Hebrew background to pronounce the Hebrew words.

I put it 3 different ways, so anyone, including you, is able to look up in Strong's, a Hebrew lexicon, or Google it. As I said, they are simple words, basic vocabulary. You can find them all over the internet! But you obviously didn't try!

Look at this site for "good":

https://context.reverso.net/translation/hebrew-english/טוב

Here is "light":

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/216.htm

Good and light are different words, which is the same as bad/evil or darkness. They are different words with different meanings.

So, I will totally challenge your so-called Biblical scholar that you are both wrong. The person who told you this, and you for believing this person who seems to have not much understanding if Biblical Hebrew!

So, I will challenge you to 2 things!

1. Find online the 2 words for darkness and evil in Biblical Hebrew. I'll even give you a hint where to look, that is understandable-biblehub.com.

2. Find me anywhere online that says light and good are the same word, or darkness and evil.

Copy and paste it to this thread, or at least a link to a Biblical Hebrew website. You don't even know what the words are, but I have written them out several times in this thread, so go for it.

PS Because Biblical Hebrew and modern Hebrew use the same letters, I can actually read it. My husband and I were looking at maps of Israel. I found the words for many things, like sea and road and town all kinds of other words. The same thing happened looking at a map of Greece. They've also eliminated most of their diacritical marks, but the letters are similar. The catch for me, is I don't know the filler words for modern Hebrew or Greek, they are much different that in the Bible. So I can't really read a sentence in modern Hebrew or Greek. I can read all the words in Koine Greek, and most in Biblical Hebrew.

PPS. Our Biblical Hebrew professor has us reading Genesis 1 and 2, within the first month of class. He also explained things well, as to word meanings. If you have a clue what you are talking about. Use the Hebrew words, transliterated if you need to, explaining what ever you are trying to say. I'm so tired of your gossip- you "heard it from a scholar!" Is no argument at all.

You simply know nothing about Biblical Hebrew. Use the Hebrew words, because right now, anything you say is rumour, or you made it up, or you forgot what this scholar said.

You are very arrogant about forcing your heresies on people in this forum. If you had more understanding of the original languages and hermeneutics, it might be worth discussing your ideas. But you don't. I will continue to critique where and why you are wrong. But I am not going to engage anything you have to say, I'd rather talk about theological and Biblical truths, not your creative heresies!

 

[Blik]

You are really losing it! I have never studied modern Hebrew. I like Masoretic Hebrew, (8th -10th centuries AD) because it has the dots for vowels, making it easier to pronounce the letters, but also a much better way to determine nouns and verb tenses.!

The Lord does not think it is important that we understand the creation of the first and fourth day, but the Lord does tell us not to express thoughts on this in the way that you are doing. It is beneath you, out of character of your other posts and most distasteful.

I have researched the source of my information thoroughly, and they are reliable. I have almost no knowledge of Hebrew, you do. Have your own way, and between your distasteful postings you express it. So be it.