Saw this question somewhere, anyone know the answer?

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ EDIT [to add]: "IOW, the text itself never says "John" is the writer [/'the disciple whom Jesus loved' / 'that other disciple'/ and all the other connected verses, relating to him]."

 

[SheepSheep]

So it does mention, in Matthew 16:9 "And I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven:".
I thought I had read it.

 

[posthuman]

Hey, @posthuman is it true that proofs are for alcohol and math?

yes & also printmaking

 

[JamOn]

yes & also printmaking

And waterproofing hehe.

 

[Magenta]

yes & also printmaking

Ah! Yes, of course I did not even think of that, and I work in the industry

 

[Magenta]

And waterproofing hehe.

There are a lo of words like that, such as childproof and weatherproof, but the meaning is quite different

 

[JamOn]

There are a lo of words like that, such as childproof and weatherproof, but the meaning is quite different

Yea that’s quite interesting how that word can be used in multiple ways lol.

Proofing

 

[oyster67]

I don't get it. What is the exact question? Just because someone else doesn't understand or get the resurrection doesn't mean it didn't happen.... Either you believe Jesus made a sacrifice and was raised from the dead or you don't.

Amen, sister! We believe because the Holy Word of God tells us so.

Romans 1
1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

 

[oyster67]

Yea that’s quite interesting how that word can be used in multiple ways lol.

Proofing

Agree, and sometimes just a pinch of goofing can get thrown into the mix.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

What do you think He meant at the end here?
Deuteronomy 5:6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deuteronomy 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Deuteronomy 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Deuteronomy 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
Deuteronomy 5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
Deuteronomy 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Deuteronomy 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Deuteronomy 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
Deuteronomy 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
Deuteronomy 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
Deuteronomy 5:16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Deuteronomy 5:17 Thou shalt not kill.
Deuteronomy 5:18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
Deuteronomy 5:19 Neither shalt thou steal.
Deuteronomy 5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Deuteronomy 5:21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Deuteronomy 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
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Probably what is written in the first verse of Chapter 5:

And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them. Deut 5:1

Now read Deuteronomy 6:1:
Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:




So what did Jesus tell you was the first commandment?

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mark 12:29
So can you show which verse Jesus told you in Chapter 5 of Deuteronomy contains a commandment that the Lord our God is one Lord?

Well, if you look in Chapter 6 of Deuteronomy you might find the following verse:
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. .Jer 31:33

Deut 6:4-6
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

 

[UnoiAmarah]

What do you think He meant at the end here?

What do you think He meant at the end here?

And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us. Deut 6:25-7:1

 

[Angela53510]

If I could take the OP, and prove to him every single incident, miracle, healing and saying of Jesus was true, he would still not be a Christian!

I actually went through this with my sister. For 30 years, I demonstrated why the Bible was true in every detail. She actually acknowledged she agreed with me, but she never was saved. Then she seemed to become openly hostile to me and the gospel, so I stopped the evangelism/apologetics. I just continued to pray for her. I even got discouraged and stopped praying for her. But God prompted me, so I went back to praying for God to save her.

So last year, 38 years after I got saved, and 8 or 10 years after I stopped witnessing to her, she phoned me, and tells me she is going to a little church, the same denomination as me, and she is reading the Bible. I was stunned! But still not sure if she was saved. I finally asked her, and she was not sure, because she knew how sinful she was. So I explained how we are all sinners, and she needed to repent. From then on she got more excited and bolder about the gospel, including bringing friends to Christ, and sharing the gospel.

I'm not saying all my defence of the gospel was wasted! It planted some seeds, which I watered with prayer. But God had to save her, just as he must save each of us, by the power of the Holy Spirit.

OP, you need to ask God to show you who he is. God took 4 years with me, and 38 years with my sister. I challenge you that asking for proof of the resurrection will do nothing for you, even if we could go back in time, video the event, it would not save you. Instead, humble yourself before Jesus, repent of your sins. When God saves you, all the questions will fall away, and God himself will show you the truth of the Bible and Jesus.

 

[SoulWeaver]

The Reserection:

A)
Flawed Assumption:
Christianity takes for granted the assumption that if we indeed knew for sure that Jesus was in fact resurrected, then this would conclusively establish Jesus’ status as God/the Son of God, thereby validating everything Jesus said and taught, which would in turn set Christianity on a solid foundation – except that there’s a question as to whether or not Jesus actually arose from the dead. But the entire above-assumption is flawed! That is, even if we knew that Jesus was resurrected, and that he affected his own resurrection, it still would tell us absolutely nothing about whether or not Jesus had any special kinship to God or whether or not he was the long-awaited Messiah; and without proof for those specific claims, Christianity doesn’t get off the ground.

B) A logical point which even a Christian would need to agree too, considering its inherent logic.
That is, even according to Christians (who accept the “Old Testament”), death came into existence as a result of very specific circumstances – this being Adam’s primordial sin, the context of which was unrestrained indulgence in physical desires. It follows that anyone who manages to completely rectify this topic, training himself to engage in physical pleasure in complete accordance with God’s will, but not at all for selfish reasons, thereby repairs the damage caused by Adam’s sin – at least as far as what’s relevant to that individual, and he can thereby become exempt of the decree of death.

C)
There are two individuals that even the Christians agree had complete control over death, and yet it has never entered the mind of any Christian that either of those individuals had Divine kinship or were the long-awaited Mashiach. Eliyahu and Elisha. That is, we find that Eliyahu resurrected a child in Melachim Aleph 17:17-24 and that Elisha resurrected a child in Melachim Bet 4:32-36 – narratives that every believing Christian acknowledges happened. Although Eliyahu and Elisha resurrected someone, still, did it ever enter the thought of any Christian that because of this, either one of them is God/the Son of God or the Messiah?! Surely not. And why not? Because that’s just not the logical implication of being able to resurrect someone and having power over death.

D)
Even if the prevouis points are false. Prove it happend:
None of the resurrection accounts were definitively written by eyewitnesses. That is, the Gospel of Mark abruptly stops early-on in its resurrection narrative, and Luke’s author was, according to all opinions, not a direct disciple of Jesus who even claims to have himself seen Jesus in a resurrected state. As for the Gospels of Mathew and John that although there are those who believe that these works were written by the Apostles of those names, the mainstream opinion of scholars – even Christian ones (based on internal evidence) is that in both cases, Jesus’ own disciples who bore those names were not the ones who wrote these two volumes. And even if there are attempts to claim otherwise, still, when fighting the status quo, only definitive information is relevant. As such, since concerning Mathew and John there’s a significant scholarly belief that these Gospels were not authored by the Apostles – and thus not by direct witnesses to Jesus’ supposed arising from the dead, so this alone is enough to make any claims of “eyewitness testimony” to the resurrection inconclusive, and so useless in regards to the need for Christians to bring bonafide proof for their anti-Old Testament claims.

In any event, the open contradictions between the three Gospels that do discuss Jesus’ resurrection (whereby Mathew states that he met with his disciples in specifically the Galilee, Luke states that he met with them specifically in Jerusalem, and John says that he met with them in both), not to mention that at the point where the Gospel of Mark’s narrative ends, the Gospels of Mathew and Luke – which both built off of the text of Mark – significantly diverge, all show how vague the matter is. And here too, it should once again be emphasized that although Christians can theoretically reconcile the aforementioned
contradictions, still, as touched upon , such an “excuse for a discrepancy” is good in a vacuum, but not if you’re coming to argue on the status quo based on the supposed resurrection. In different words, the contradictions alone highlight that we’re dealing with a tradition that’s in-any-event-dubious-enough to not be usable against the status quo.

E)
When God first gave the Torah at Har Sinai (which is again, something that any believing Christian acknowledges happened), it was a nationally witnessed event, that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, saw. In contrast, Jesus’ resurrection was at most witnessed by relatively few individuals whose identity is generally not known. Logic dictates that a non-nationally-witnessed-event does not have the ability to cancel out a nationally-witnessed event – period.

F)
Another point to consider is that even if Jesus arose from the dead, this tells us nothing about Jesus’ own powers (as the Christian claim that it does), since maybe he was resurrected by God, and not that he engendered his own resurrection. You claim that in arising from the dead, it shows that Jesus himself had the power to overcome death. So regarding this detail we’re noting that simply getting resurrected doesn’t prove anything about the powers of the person who gets resurrected. This can be seen clearly from the story of the individuals in Tanach that were resurrected by Eliyahu (in Melachim Aleph 17:17-24) and Elisha (in Melachim Bet 4:32-36), whereby not the slightest claim is made that the individuals that got resurrected by them were in any way special, or possessing of special powers.

I assume that you have not jumped to your thoughts and conclusions in 2 days. You must have been thinking these things through for years. Even decades, maybe. The answer you are coming to is doubtful, yet, you find no peace with that answer and are still asking questions and you feel the need to debate with others. Which means you're not quite at peace having arrived to your conclusions. If you were, why would it bother you? Or are you partly hoping for someone to convince you. Thinking about spiritual things this way will only toss you back and forth because they are discerned by the spirit. Believe me, this isn't about arguments...

The bottom line reason why someone personally believes in Jesus Christ is whether someone believes in lovingkindness and purity and that such have nothing to fear it continues into eternal life, or they don't. I personally have no problem putting all my chips on that this person overcame death. Whenever I witnessed true sainthood in real life, it was clearly something transformative, powerful, and out of this world. This is sufficient witness for me. Maybe you just haven't seen the power of spiritual change.

 

[Lanolin]

is this an exam question

or a trick question

if you dont know something, what you do is ask God, pray and read the Bible and He will give you an answer. But sometimes He lets you figure it out for yourself.