Haven't you read Acts 10 and Cornelius? He received the Holy Spirit BEFORE he was water baptism?
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Wrong. This erroneous thinking seems to have gotten you into a lot of trouble.
(Purposely?) taking things out of context is something you do a lot of. You are not a very good deceiver, but you sure do give it your best shot.
That's the problem. People getting mixed up in cults then end up becoming thoroughly indoctrinated and blinded by the god of this world.
(2 Corinthians 4:3,4)
I think that an even bigger problem is that they are being allowed to teach this on CC. Is it possible that they are frustrating and deceiving many true seekers?
Of course. That's why Peter immediately commanded them to be water baptized.
If you have received the Holy Spirit (truly received it, not just claim to have received it) then you ALREADY have an outward witness/sign that says "You're one of God's children" so there's no need for baptism in that regard. But there's still a need to submit to water baptism for the remission of sins.
We need both, not just one or the other. Baptism in water (born of water) AND baptised with the Holy Ghost (born of spirit)
BTW... Verse 46 declares plainly what that sign/witness/evidence is: "For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. ..." Acts10:46 KJV
Love in Jesus to all who read this,
Kelby
It is a part of salvation (just like fins were part of the requirements for an aquatic creature to be considered clean for eating under the OT requirement for fins AND scales). If you only have a part of the requirements, you are in danger of finding yourself in similar situation to the man in Matthew 22:11-13:
"And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: [12] And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. [13] Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. [14] For many are called, but few are chosen." - Matthew 22:11-14 KJV
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
FreeGrace2 said:
Haven't you read Acts 10 and Cornelius? He received the Holy Spirit BEFORE he was water baptism?
But no dice. Regardless of how "quickly" Peter got them into water, the point remains that they were saved and receive the Holy Spirit BEFORE BEFORE BEFORE getting wet.
Cornelius refutes your position.
"All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."
Gal 3:2,5
2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?
5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?
Every believer is born naturally or physically (water) and born again (baptised by the Holy Spirit).
Haven't you read Acts 10 and Cornelius? He received the Holy Spirit BEFORE he was water baptism?
Nice try!
But no dice. Regardless of how "quickly" Peter got them into water, the point remains that they were saved and receive the Holy Spirit BEFORE BEFORE BEFORE getting wet.
Cornelius refutes your position.
I've been asking you guys what you mean by "remission" or "remit". If you say "forgiveness" then please read and believe Acts 10:43.
"All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."
Gal 3:2,5
2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?
5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?
I see a John 3:5 ERROR. "born of water" doesn't mean baptism. In fact, it CAN'T mean that.
Every believer is born naturally or physically (water) and born again (baptised by the Holy Spirit).
You've made a very good point. Since every wind of doctrine floats out on the Internet, unless a person is thoroughly grounded in sound doctrine, they can be easily misled.
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yes he does...forgiveness of sins
don't let him mess around with how he words things
he is the artful dodger 2.0
That is not really what Christ meant when He said you must be born of water. There would be no need to insist on that which is already a part of the natural process of childbirth. So what did Jesus mean? Water is a metaphor in Scripture for (a) the Holy Spirit and (b) the Word of God, and in this case the Gospel as the Word of God. So to be born of water is to be born again through the preaching of the Gospel and the receiving of the Word of God, since faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God (Rom 10:17).
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the Word which by the Gospel is preached unto you. (1 Peter 1:23-25) Of his own will begat [birthed] he us with the Word of Truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)
Jesus' comment about the necessity of being born of water and Spirit in John 3 parallels what occurred elsewhere in scripture. Both requirements; water baptism and receiving the Spirit, are clearly conveyed in all of the detailed experiences of Jews, Gentiles, Samaritans, the 12 Ephesus disciples, and the Apostle Paul. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16) Once a person acknowledges this truth, as confirmed, it is easy to see that Jesus meant what He said. "Unless a man is born of water and Spirit he CANNOT ENTER the kingdom of God. (John 3:5)
The instructions of what is required are indeed found in the Word of God. And those who are buried with Him in baptism will be in the likeness of His resurrection.
Precious friends, why should Confusion reign? water saves? Yes, And No,
depending upon Which Dispensation one prefers. ie:
IF you prefer God's Dispensation Of Prophecy And Law, then YES!
IF you prefer God's Dispensation Of Mystery And GRACE, then NO! ie:
Prophecy/Law
►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =
A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)
Prophecy/Law
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:
Mystery/GRACE! =
our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:
►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄
Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; ►►► 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB! ◄◄◄)
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Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE
OR, EQUALS TWO?
Is it not Possible That God's Answer Of "No water baptism, for
us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely vanquishes Satan's
{Many Severely DIVIDED denominations?} Confusion into oblivion!?
And Confusion STOPS reigning?
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FULL "studies" here:
12 baptisms Rightly Divided From: ONE Baptism
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Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!
God's Simple Will!
There is no contradiction in my mind.
If there is in yours, perhaps you ought to ask the Lord to open your eyes as to what the reconciliation is.
And if I place my faith in a promise of holy scripture that has to do with water, why do you judge me?
It is no contradiction.
Here, I'll try to explain it to you again.
Consider that a Spirit is a Person.
Now, the Father is a Spirit inhabiting eternity without flesh;
And the Son is the same Spirit inhabiting human flesh, and dwelling in time.
Thus He is a distinct Person from the Father while also being the same Person.
But if you can't comprehend that, I refer you to the following.
Isa 55:8, For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9, For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
If someone gets baptized in Jesus' Name because of our teaching, what is the harm in that? Suddenly they are deceived because they fulfilled the condition of a promise to receive the Holy Ghost, and remission of sins?
What a deception that is...to do what it would take to receive the Holy Ghost!
If this is what you are actually saying, I would say that your contention is borderline blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.