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The greek shows that peter told NO ONE to be baptized for the remission of sin.
It also shows he did not tell EVERYONE to be baptized.
But he did tell EVERYONE to repent for the gift of the spirit.
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It also shows he did not tell EVERYONE to be baptized.
But he did tell EVERYONE to repent for the gift of the spirit.
That does not answer my question does it?
I am aware of the Acts verses you mention.
I will ask again.
“So a person is not saved by being baptised?
So expand a little bit more or maybe rephrase.
Is a person saved by being baptised in the name of Jesus only?
Or are they saved according to the following?
Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
I was baptised
Matthew 28:19
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Am I saved?
That is what I said your argument was; but then you said that I did not know your argument.
Now you are saying that it is your argument?
I do believe that God is Omnipotent and sovereign;
And that therefore He is able to preserve His unadulterated message for the common people in their own languages.
I believe that God is loving;
And that therefore He was motivated to do so.
Especially since the "educated" scribes and Pharisees rejected Jesus; but the common people received Him gladly.
For this reason, I do not believe that God limits His unadulterated message to the "educated" Greek and Hebrew scholar (who might be inclined to reject the Lord); but that He has given His unadulterated message in our common English (in the kjv) to the common people.
Also, you have not shown how the original Greek and Hebrew bears out that there is condemnation for those who will be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.
How then am I going to hell if I do not understand the verses on the subject in light of the original Greek and Hebrew?
So, how does that translate into condemnation for the one who is baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins?
I would also disagree with you and would say that the English (in the kjv) bears out the verse properly.
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If you depend on work of water baptism to save you. And not the work of God to baptise you.
You are trying to save yourself.
I am certainly not your judge.
If you want to believe that you are saved through baptism in titles, more power to you.
The condition for the promise, in Acts 2:38-39, is repentance and baptism in Jesus' Name for the remission of sins.
The promise is remission of sins and the infilling of the Holy Ghost.
No just answer my questions please.
Does baptism save in the name of Jesus only?
Am I saved when I was baptised in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:9
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
You said the above.
Relevance to baptism?
Does baptism save in the name of Jesus only?
Am I saved when I was baptised in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Romans 8:9
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
You said the above.
Relevance to baptism?
Baptism in Jesus' Name apprehends the promise of the Holy Ghost most absolutely.
There is no such promise for baptism in titles.
I don't know if baptism in titles will save anyone. Personally, I was not willing to take a chance on it.
So I "got this one done".
Answer the question.
Does my baptism save me?
Say yes or no then I will know whether you are my judge or not.
I say that I am not saved by being baptised and neither are you.
There you go.
Is it not the doctrine of those who are baptized in titles that baptism doesn't save anyone?
According to your own doctrine, then, baptism in titles didn't save you.
The Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to those who are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38-39).
Since having the Holy Ghost means salvation (Romans 8:9), I conclude that in receiving the Holy Ghost (through fulfilling the condition of the promise), that there is a certain salvation that I received when I received the promise (of the Holy Ghost) through fulfilling its condition.
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I misread what you said. Sorry. I read it as you saying baptism was not for them (people) not sins.
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I do believe that God is Omnipotent and sovereign;
And that therefore He is able to preserve His unadulterated message for the common people in their own languages.
I believe that God is loving;
And that therefore He was motivated to do so.
Especially since the "educated" scribes and Pharisees rejected Jesus; but the common people received Him gladly.
For this reason, I do not believe that God limits His unadulterated message to the "educated" Greek and Hebrew scholar (who might be inclined to reject the Lord); but that He has given His unadulterated message in our common English (in the kjv) to the common people.
Also, you have not shown how the original Greek and Hebrew bears out that there is condemnation for those who will be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.
How then am I going to hell if I do not understand the verses on the subject in light of the original Greek and Hebrew?[/QUOTE]
Again cult mentality
If the english says one thing but the greek actually says something else. And you trust the english over the greek. And it is a salvation issue. You will miss out on heaven because you believed in the interpreter not the author.
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Because your replacing the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the baptism of men
No different than the jews replacing the circumcision by the hand of God. With the one done by the hand of man.
Salvation is by grace through faith
Not works..
No one who tries to work to earn or maintain salvation will be saved. Because their faith was in self. Not God
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How were you saved? By your pastor immersing you in water?
Or By God immersing you into Christ? His death and burial, and his body?
I didn't and did not need to take a chance.
I was saved
Romans 10:9-11
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
Then I was baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit commanded by Jesus.
If you felt you could not take a chance so per Acts you were baptised then I would have to say that you reject what Jesus said concerning the great commission and what Paul said above.
Are you saved?
Yes of course you are.
Am I saved?
Yes of course I am.