Saved by Water

[rayzor]

I believe the whole counsel of God, not just a few passages that make me feel like I'm doing the right thing so that God gives me the thumbs up.

Lettuce make sure r iiis = eyes r not rooted in pride.

 

[FreeGrace2]

DWR said:
Anyone that teaches baptism is necessary for salvation is a false teacher.

Tell that to Jesus, Peter, Ananias, Paul, Philip, etc.

No need. They already know.

 

[FreeGrace2]

The question is what does it mean.

Those who can't understand Matt 28:19 have serious problems.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Why does the biblical record show everyone being water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus if there is no significance to it.

Why haven't you understood that NO ONE has said that water baptism has "no significance"?

It does have significance. It's just NOT about getting saved.

 

[FreeGrace2]

That's mean and arrogant.

Who reads mean arrogance and says, I want to find the way to what makes someone mean and arrogant so that I can be like that too?

Haven't you been following the discussion in this thread? wansvic claims that one must be baptized "in the name of Jesus" repeatedly.

Yet, he refuses to address Matt 28:19, where Jesus doesn't mention His own name when He said "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Since he makes a point about the actual name "Jesus", what does he do with Matt 28:19? He ignores it, since there is no specific names for either the Father or Spirit.

Many pastors quote Matt 28:19 exactly when they baptize others.

So, what's "mean" or "arrogant" to call out a phony?

 

[SophieT]

Being baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is not the same as being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Jesus gave the command to baptize in a singular name, and the apostles obeyed the command and baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

There is not one record of anyone being baptized in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost. That's because the apostles knew the name was in fact Jesus. If you don't believe that do a search of the entire bible.

I knew you would say that

are you also a 'Name only" adherent? also known as Oneness doctrine? you believe that Jesus is the name of God....well you must be oneness Pentecostal or similar if that is the case

so now you are saying even though we are baptized as per scripture, IT STILL AIN'T GOOD ENOUGH

the apostles knew the name was in fact Jesus

ok....the name....oneness Pentecostal speak

If you don't believe that do a search of the entire bible

for that matter, most referrals to baptism DO NOT MENTION ANYONE'S name. you must think we have all just crawled out from under a rock and do not know anything

JESUS said:

19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

of course folks like you like to claim that was not in the original text

however:
Since something like the full text of Matthew 28:19 is found in the Didache (AD 50-70 at the earliest and generally early second century at the latest), is alluded to twice by Tertullian (d. 225) in On Baptism and Against Praxeas, and by several other church fathers before Nicea, Nicea (c. 325) couldn't have added it.
– Frank Luke
Jul 23 '14 at 18:34

so don't bother with your objections

 

[SophieT]

Actually it's according to the word. (Acts 2:38-47) Notice what is stated in verses 42 and 47. The people continued in the apostle's doctrine as recorded in verse 38, and the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. (verse 47)

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

rinse and repeat

this has been covered over and over and over and since people received the Holy Spirit BEFORE being water baptized, you prove nothing except you have nothing you can prove

 

[SophieT]

A bit sarcastic and pithy I know but.

I am not a believer but have been invited to a church, or maybe not invited but walk past a church one day.

I'm a mess and need help and maybe just maybe Jesus is the answer.
So I'm in the church.

I come to the point where the Holy Spirit convicts me of sin.
What is this sin he convicts me off (posted it a while back)
The sin is unbelief in Jesus.
What is this unbelief?

Firstly.
It's not unbelief at the time Jesus said this but it's unbelief that he actually said when has died, been buried and rose again.

Now as a result our sins have been forgiven, as a result I can be reconciled to God per Romans 5, through faith. Also In Roamns Paul makes it very clear that we must believe that he died, was buried and rose again Romans 10.
If you don't believe that then you are not saved period.

The you think.

Yeah I'm forgiven, accepted as I am. There is nothing I can offer but only accept it.

Now let's take the scenario that baptism saves and you are in this church.

So you go forward or tell someone you believe per Romans.
They say that's great, but you must be baptized to actually be saved.
My guess is that has said Church preached Romans 5 and Romans 10 then have they preached Acts 2:38?

Maybe.

If that's the case are you Baptise straight away.
That would have to be done in order to saved according to their docrine.

But what if they say no?
Baptism service in the next couple of weeks.

You die before that.
Then you are not saved and going to hell and per what Paul did is irrelevant and true and BS.

well just too bad according to the water regenerationalists

 

[SophieT]

Jesus gave the command to baptize in a singular name, and the apostles obeyed the command and baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

see my notes on Matthew 28

you may think it spurious, but, most place the way it reads squarely before 70 AD and before Nicea

 

[Wansvic]

You thunk? As we say over here.
Think Im in the same boat as you.

It's convenient to put someone on ignore because you biblically try to reprove them but they reject it because of indoctrination given their doctrinal bent.

As a result they just quote verses with no wish to discuss aka Acts per this thread.
We must all be bereans but further more look at the text within the context and the audience at the time.

I don't know what you think but given this thread where a few state we must be baptised to be saved fall foul of works being burned up yet saved through the fire per what Paul says in Corinthians?

I would say yes.
It's adding to salvation by faith alone but still saved. No rewards.
Having said that though it can be reciprocal to us.

Anyway a couple of links for us all to look at, mainly if I was to get a response from a previous post concerning being Baptised in the name of the Father son and Holy Spirt which you said above and most us know.

https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Jesus-name.html

https://carm.org/about-baptism/shou...-son-and-holy-spirit-or-in-the-name-of-jesus/

God bless sister.

For the record I don't have that person on ignore. So your accusations about me are unfounded. I have no problem backing up what I share with the word.

Pointing people to what God's word says about water baptism is far more profitable than placing trust in information gathered from Internet sites. Sadly people are already following a man made tradition begun by the Catholic Church rather than obeying the God-given command. Anyone can have an opinion. But it's God's word that provides and confirms truth by 2-3 witnessing scriptures.


"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Tim 3:16-17

 

[HisKid]

For the record I don't have that person on ignore. So your accusations about me are unfounded. I have no problem backing up what I share with the word.

Pointing people to what God's word says about water baptism is far more profitable than placing trust in information gathered from Internet sites. Sadly people are already following a man made tradition begun by the Catholic Church rather than obeying the God-given command. Anyone can have an opinion. But it's God's word that provides and confirms truth by 2-3 witnessing scriptures.


"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Tim 3:16-17

You all study the Word diligently, at least some of it, and you argue to no end. Who is right? Who is wrong? I think you should all just get on your face before the Lord and beg forgiveness for arguing.

Why do you argue? Is it not your vain ego wanting to be right?

Let it GO!!!

 

[Wansvic]

Check on biblehub.com for 28 English translations.

I'm sure they all say the same thing. The question is how did the apostles obey Jesus' command.

 

[HisKid]

I'm sure they all say the same thing. The question is how did the apostles obey Jesus' command.

You seem totally obsessed with water regeneration. I can only suggest that you humble yourself before the Lord, forget this stupid forum, and ask Him to reveal Himself to you in a real way.

 

[Wansvic]

Do you admit that Cornelius was water baptized AFTER receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit?

Of course. That is exactly what the bible says. The Gentiles and Jews had to comply with the same instructions. They had to believe in Jesus and repent, be water baptized in the name of Jesus, and receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)

 

[HisKid]

Of course. That is exactly what the bible says. The Gentiles and Jews had to comply with the same instructions. They had to believe in Jesus and repent, be water baptized in the name of Jesus, and receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)

Read the book of Matthew, please.

 

[Wansvic]

I think you just got caught in your own web.

Nope. Paul makes it clear that baptism is to be done in the name of the one that was crucified for you.

"Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" 1 Cor 1:13

 

[HisKid]

Nope. Paul makes it clear that baptism is to be done in the name of the one that was crucified for you.

"Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" 1 Cor 1:13

Again, read the book of Matthew and get back to me.

 

[Wansvic]

It's irrelevant.

They don't read or reject the majority of Acts 10.
The vision that Peter had.

But we see

Acts 10:44-48

The Holy Spirit Falls on the Gentiles
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.

Notice baptised in the name of the Lord, not Jesus, as stated by various on here.

Do you know what the name of the Lord is?
It is not the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It's the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Icedaisey]

Haven't you been following the discussion in this thread? wansvic claims that one must be baptized "in the name of Jesus" repeatedly.


Yet, he refuses to address Matt 28:19, where Jesus doesn't mention His own name when He said "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.


Since he makes a point about the actual name "Jesus", what does he do with Matt 28:19? He ignores it, since there is no specific names for either the Father or Spirit.


Many pastors quote Matt 28:19 exactly when they baptize others.


So, what's "mean" or "arrogant" to call out a phony?

It would be wrong to not call out someone who acts mean and arrogant toward others who happen to have a different perspective than they.



And Matthew 28:19 is not anything more than an effort to reiterate a teaching that was entered, post Christ, into the scriptures. Jesus did not teach a Trinity.


We know this because for Trinity believers in three separate and distinct person's, they are refuted by Jesus himself. When he stated he and the father are one.


Which is why Jesus would also say, when you have seen me you have seen the father.

All that Jesus was in human form was of and from God. The Word made flesh todwell among us.


True Baptism, as Jesus and his disciples practiced, was performed in the name of Jesus. Who was the holy spirit made flesh, aka God. One. Not three separate and distinct.


Luke 24:47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.


In other threads the origin of tritheism, trinity doctrine, history being added to scripture has been proved.


Acts 2:38 proves no one in scripture was baptized in the name of three separate and distinct persons.

 

[HisKid]

Do you know what the name of the Lord is?
It is not the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It's the Lord Jesus Christ.

Not so. It's Yeshua.