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I see water baptism as follows ...
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
the immersion in water reflects our being buried with him by baptism into death
coming up out of the water reflects our being like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father
thereafter the born again believer should walk in newness of life ... reflecting the ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ into heaven and sending the Comforter (the Holy Spirit) ...
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
the immersion in water reflects our being buried with him by baptism into death
coming up out of the water reflects our being like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father
thereafter the born again believer should walk in newness of life ... reflecting the ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ into heaven and sending the Comforter (the Holy Spirit) ...
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
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The so-called great commission per Matt 28:16-20 was given to the eleven
original apostles, but Paul's commission was somehow different, e.g. "Christ
sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel" (1Cor 1:17)
For example: at Rom 10:9 he says:
"If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in
thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
. . . For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the
mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever
believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
. . . For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same
Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon
the name of the Lord shall be saved."
And at 1Cor 15:1-4 he says:
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto
you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye
are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have
believed in vain.
. . . For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried,
and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures."
That's it. Not one word about ritual baptism in water; whereas Peter, one of
the original eleven, typically concluded his sermons with a call to baptism;
which is curious because Paul himself was called to baptism (Acts 9:18) and
is known to have been involved in some. (Acts 19:1-8 and 1Cor 1:14-16).
It's as though Christ's commission via the original apostles was old school,
and in time, Christ's commission via Paul became the new school. I realize it
seems impossible; but I'm hard pressed to think of any other reason why
Paul's message would de-emphasize ritual baptism unless the Lord
instructed him to.
• Gal 1:11-12 . . I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached
of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught
it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
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The so-called great commission per Matt 28:16-20 was given to the eleven
original apostles, but Paul's commission was somehow different, e.g. "Christ
sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel" (1Cor 1:17)
For example: at Rom 10:9 he says:
"If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in
thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
. . . For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the
mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever
believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
. . . For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same
Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon
the name of the Lord shall be saved."
And at 1Cor 15:1-4 he says:
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto
you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye
are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have
believed in vain.
. . . For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried,
and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures."
That's it. Not one word about ritual baptism in water; whereas Peter, one of
the original eleven, typically concluded his sermons with a call to baptism;
which is curious because Paul himself was called to baptism (Acts 9:18) and
is known to have been involved in some. (Acts 19:1-8 and 1Cor 1:14-16).
It's as though Christ's commission via the original apostles was old school,
and in time, Christ's commission via Paul became the new school. I realize it
seems impossible; but I'm hard pressed to think of any other reason why
Paul's message would de-emphasize ritual baptism unless the Lord
instructed him to.
• Gal 1:11-12 . . I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached
of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught
it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
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What Jesus said was that there was no greater prophet than John, (born of women) but the person that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than John.
Luke 7:28-30
For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
Luke 7:28-30
For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
Both apostles preached the same message. And both were given these instructions by Jesus. (Acts 1:1-2)
Peter was given the keys to the kingdom. Peter was nothing more than a vessel God used to introduce the gospel message and mankind's required obedience to it. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48) These scripture references make it clear that everyone is required to comply with the entire message, and no one regardless of their heritage is exempt.
Paul preached the exact same message. Proof of this statement is confirmed by multiple scriptures. Paul's epistles were written to those who had already experienced the spiritual rebirth. There purpose was primarily to explain different aspects of the NT spiritual rebirth, as well as to instruct born again believers of what God deemed as acceptable behavior.
Peter was given the keys to the kingdom. Peter was nothing more than a vessel God used to introduce the gospel message and mankind's required obedience to it. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48) These scripture references make it clear that everyone is required to comply with the entire message, and no one regardless of their heritage is exempt.
Paul preached the exact same message. Proof of this statement is confirmed by multiple scriptures. Paul's epistles were written to those who had already experienced the spiritual rebirth. There purpose was primarily to explain different aspects of the NT spiritual rebirth, as well as to instruct born again believers of what God deemed as acceptable behavior.
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I shouldn't be surprised that the details of Paul's commission were different
than the eleven's. Christ had done so before.
• Matt 10:5-10 . .These twelve Jesus sent out with the following
instructions: Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the
Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. Do not take along any gold
or silver or copper in your belts; take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic,
or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep.
Later; his instructions were quite different; plus, he ordered them to take a
weapon.
• Matt 28:19 . . Go and make disciples of all nations
• Luke 22:35-36 . . But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and
if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
My unsolicited spiritual counseling is this: If someone is experiencing inner
conflicts about the necessity of ritual baptism, then I suggest they locate a
full service church and have it done if for no other reason than to settle the
issue for themselves once and for all.
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I shouldn't be surprised that the details of Paul's commission were different
than the eleven's. Christ had done so before.
• Matt 10:5-10 . .These twelve Jesus sent out with the following
instructions: Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the
Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. Do not take along any gold
or silver or copper in your belts; take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic,
or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep.
Later; his instructions were quite different; plus, he ordered them to take a
weapon.
• Matt 28:19 . . Go and make disciples of all nations
• Luke 22:35-36 . . But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and
if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
My unsolicited spiritual counseling is this: If someone is experiencing inner
conflicts about the necessity of ritual baptism, then I suggest they locate a
full service church and have it done if for no other reason than to settle the
issue for themselves once and for all.
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The NT rebirth is a part of salvation.
When do we see using of the name of the Lord Jesus in the spiritual rebirth? Jesus said all must be born of water and Spirit. (John 3:5)
Paul's points were made to those who had already received their spiritual rebirth. One's salvation includes the need to spread the gospel by confessing Jesus to others.
When do we see using of the name of the Lord Jesus in the spiritual rebirth? Jesus said all must be born of water and Spirit. (John 3:5)
Paul's points were made to those who had already received their spiritual rebirth. One's salvation includes the need to spread the gospel by confessing Jesus to others.
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the word "by" in 1 Peter 3:20 is the Greek word dia, which means "through".
The eight souls were saved through the water as they were in the ark ...
“...God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein [in the ark] few, that is, eight souls were saved by [Greek dia = through] water.
As the eight souls were in the ark, they went safely through the waters of the flood.
The eight souls were saved through the water as they were in the ark ...
“...God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein [in the ark] few, that is, eight souls were saved by [Greek dia = through] water.
As the eight souls were in the ark, they went safely through the waters of the flood.
Water baptism DOES NOT save anyone! Period!
Now, IF someone must find a reason to believe that water saves anyone, they would have a far better chance of making it believable to speak of the "water" in this Scripture:
John, Chapter 19.....
34) But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
The precious blood of Jesus the Christ is what SAVES!
Now, IF someone must find a reason to believe that water saves anyone, they would have a far better chance of making it believable to speak of the "water" in this Scripture:
John, Chapter 19.....
34) But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
The precious blood of Jesus the Christ is what SAVES!
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We are saved by water.. living water
This is accomplished by the word -
Ephesians 5:26
that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,
It is called rivers of living water. Given by Christ himself, and it gives eternal life.
John 4:14
but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”
John 7:37-39
37 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those [g]believing in Him would receive; for the [h]Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
No one has ever been saved by physical water. If anyone claims you are. they are teaching a false gospel.
This is accomplished by the word -
Ephesians 5:26
that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,
It is called rivers of living water. Given by Christ himself, and it gives eternal life.
John 4:14
but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”
John 7:37-39
37 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those [g]believing in Him would receive; for the [h]Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
No one has ever been saved by physical water. If anyone claims you are. they are teaching a false gospel.
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Noah was not saved "by" water.
Noah was in the ark which carried him safely through the water ... the water being God's condemnation of the ungodly.
Quit fixating on the water.
Consider the ark.
The ark is the "like figure". It is a type, a foreshadowing, of the Lord Jesus Christ. As the believer is fully immersed (baptized) in the Lord Jesus Christ, he/she is safely carried through all of life's situations as he/she sojourns in the world of the ungodly. The ark is a picture of God's provision for the believer even as He brings judgment upon the world of the ungodly.
1 Peter 3:20-21 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein [in the ark] few, that is, eight souls were saved by [Greek dia = through] water. The like figure [the ark] whereunto even baptism [full immersion into the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is our life] doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ
Noah was in the ark which carried him safely through the water ... the water being God's condemnation of the ungodly.
Quit fixating on the water.
Consider the ark.
The ark is the "like figure". It is a type, a foreshadowing, of the Lord Jesus Christ. As the believer is fully immersed (baptized) in the Lord Jesus Christ, he/she is safely carried through all of life's situations as he/she sojourns in the world of the ungodly. The ark is a picture of God's provision for the believer even as He brings judgment upon the world of the ungodly.
1 Peter 3:20-21 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein [in the ark] few, that is, eight souls were saved by [Greek dia = through] water. The like figure [the ark] whereunto even baptism [full immersion into the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is our life] doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ
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