Saved by faith alone?
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So He created some and just hated them as infants? Sounds like you’re saying God creates bad things. I thought only good could come from Him. Guess I’ve been thinking about it wrong.
The natural man does not believe in the things of the Spirit, neither can he believe in them (1 Cor 2:14) Faith is one of the fruits of the Spirit. (Gal 5:22). A person has to be quickened by the Holy Spirit to have spiritual faith. Most, if not all, of the scriptures you have quoted are deliverances that those who have already been quickened and have the promise of an inheritance (John 6:37-40) receive as they journey here on earth. Salvation, according to Strong's concordance means deliverance. A person receives Eternal deliverance one time only, witch was accomplished by Christ alone on the cross (Heb 1:3). Those who have the promise of an eternal deliverance, while they live here on earth, receive many deliverances, as you have quoted in your first statement.
No. Only Christ was required, and He met every requirement needed to save His People from their sins. Did Christ Love God ?
You missed the part where I said that God does not want everyone to become saved - that was never in His plan. If it were, then it would be dependent upon them and not upon Christ alone. So, while you say you believe that Jesus is the "only way," your post seems to say otherwise - that it is actually by Jesus plus, which means that it isn't by Jesus. So, again, until and unless you can hold open the possibility that all - every part - of salvation is entirely through His grace without the contribution of man, I think the fundamentals between us are just too vast to be reconcilable at this point. However, should your point of view change, where you are honestly willing to least accept that as a possibility, let me know and we can discuss further then, although it can all be summed up with the following: that Jesus Christ alone is the Savior. Otherwise, any discussion would just devolve into a debate between opposing points of view leading nowhere and waste time and effort for both of us.
Does God love Himself? Dumb question but YES. So you’re saying that one could have faith in Christ but absolutely hate Him and still be saved?
Yes, He hated some before they did any good or evil Rom 9:11-13
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
God hated rejected esau being not yet born. So when he came out of Rebbeca womb God hated him, being an infant didnt change that
It wasnt a dumb question because Christ Love to God is imputed to them He lived and died for. He didnt Keep the Law for Himself as an individual but as a Covenant Head for a chosen people. So He met the laws requirement for them.
Yes, Saul who was later Paul was saved while he hated Christ, was in unbelief, so those things were not required for him to do before Christ saved him, and so it is with the entire church of God So Faith in Christ comes after one is saved.
God sees us in all points of our lives at once. He knows whether we will accept Christ or not before we are born. That doesn’t mean that He hates us before we are born. Just because He knows the outcome doesn’t mean He’s the one that produced the outcome.
If I knew the future and saw that my team would lose the Super Bowl then I would be sad before it happened. It doesn’t mean that I caused them to lose.
If I knew the future and saw that my team would lose the Super Bowl then I would be sad before it happened. It doesn’t mean that I caused them to lose.
Paul wasn’t saved because he hated Christ. He came to love Christ. If he still hated Christ he wouldn’t have changed and wouldn’t have been saved. I think we are just talking about two different points of salvation, yours being the point of conviction where the Spirit begins His works and mine being the point of finishing the race. I’m guessing you don’t believe that one can fall away whereas I believe they can.
And He sees us in ourselves as God and Christ haters, dead in sin, needing to be born again
Scripture you have in mind while uttering such blasphemy
would be helpful for understanding why you view God as hateful.
Thanks.
Or let me put it this way, is love for God required to spend eternity with Him, yes or no?
you actually didn’t but ok. Have a good day.