Saved by faith alone?

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No, you posted your opinion about what Jesus meant.
Then tell me what Jesus meant when he said those words to his dsiciples.

Not caring is quite consistent with contradicting divine omnilove.
where did Jesus say omnilove? or not caring?


10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?

11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the [a]mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.


where is omnilove in these words to his disciples?

Jesus explained to them why he spoke in the way he did. for THEM. not to the people he spoke to who would not believe
 
In a purely human and secular sense:

I can believe and care less and oppose.

I can trust and care less and oppose.

I can have faith and care less and oppose.

Now, what does the Text say about Genuine Belief/Faith/Trust in God?

I'll start; in no way, shape or form does Biblical B/F/T in God allow for not doing what He says.
 
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My analogy of a believing a bridge can hold but not trusting that it will hold (me, personally, because I fear it doesn't possess the capacity to bear my weight) demonstrates, imo, the difference between belief and trust. So, if I should cross the bridge even with that fear, wouldn't this, then, qualify as an actual faith?
Sure. And it's probably worth pointing out the difference between saving faith and the exercise of our faith as we live the Christian life.
In salvation, either we believe in Christ or we do not. In life, there are many times when we don't exercise our faith concerning some matter. This was often the case with the disciples. They believed Jesus was Messiah, but in the storm they didn't trust. Jesus didn't say they had no faith; instead, He said they were of little faith.
 
In a purely human and secular sense:
I can believe and care less and oppose.
I can trust and care less and oppose.
I can have faith and care less and oppose.
Now, what does the Text say about Genuine Belief/Faith/Trust in God?
I'll start; in no way, shape or form does Biblical B/F/T in God allow for not doing what He says.
How readily would you be to acknowledge that you do not do what He says?
 
Then tell me what Jesus meant when he said those words to his dsiciples.

where did Jesus say omnilove? or not caring?

10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?

11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the [a]mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

where is omnilove in these words to his disciples?

Jesus explained to them why he spoke in the way he did. for THEM. not to the people he spoke to who would not believe

Understanding the doctrine of parables is related to election. In order to develop a doctrine regarding the parables of Jesus, one must conduct a systematic study of every parable recorded in the gospel of Mathew in order to learn their meaning and purpose. The first parable is The Parable of the Seeds in MT 13:1-23, which sets the stage for all of the others.

In this parable a farmer sowed seed on four types of soil: a path, rocky ground, thorny ground, and fertile soil–with appropriate results. Discerning the meaning involved understanding the metaphors that were used, most of which were explained by Jesus in v.18-23: seed = GW re the KOH, understands = believes, healed = saved, ears = normal adult souls, hear = be good seed. The apparent meaning of the parable per v. 9 is thus, “Let all accountable souls be allowed to hear and be saved.”

However, this meaning is made problematic by what Jesus told his disciples between relating the parable and then explaining its meaning (v.10-11) regarding his purpose of speaking in parables: “The knowledge of the secrets of the KOH has been given to you (disciples), but not to them (the rest of the people).” Jesus said (in v.14-15) the people fulfilled IS 6:9-10, which says in part, “you will be ever seeing but never perceiving, for this people’s heart has become calloused… Otherwise they might… turn, and I would heal them.” In v.12 Jesus said, “Whoever has will be given more… and whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.”

A person might interpret what Jesus said regarding the secrets to mean that he wanted them to remain unknown except by his disciples, but a few verses later in MT 13:34 it says that Jesus spoke in parables in order to fulfill “what was spoken through the prophet: I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world”, which implies that he wants to share the secrets with the people.

Thus, unless these statements (MT 13:10-17 & 13:34-35) can be harmonized, one must choose between two contradictory interpretations: 1. Jesus purposefully hid knowledge from some while revealing it to others according to His will, or 2. Jesus allowed souls to reject saving knowledge or to accept it and be his disciples. Deciding which understanding to adopt necessitates considering the second parable of Jesus, The Parable of the Weeds in MT 13:24-30.

In this parable a man sowed wheat seeds in his field, but his enemy came while folks were sleeping and sowed weeds among the wheat. When it became apparent that the field was contaminated, the owner’s servants asked whether they should pull up the weeds, and he told them to wait until the harvest, at which time the weeds should be burned and the wheat gathered into his barn.

Later in the privacy of a house Jesus explained the meaning of this parable, saying that the good seed was sown by the Son of Man, the field is the world, the good seed stands for those who belong to the kingdom, the weeds are those who belong to the evil one, the enemy who sowed the bad seed is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. At the end of the age the Son of Man will send angels to weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and everyone who does evil and throw them into the blazing furnace where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, while the righteous will shine in the kingdom of their Father. Jesus concluded by saying, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”

The mention of Judgment and the opposite destinies of happiness or hell indicates that Jesus employed parables as a means of pre-sifting souls by showing who would understand/believe or not. Some people opine that God/Jesus causes people to believe or not, but notice that in MT 13:10-15 Jesus did NOT say that he prevents people from becoming his disciples or that he causes people’s hearts to be calloused, so let us be careful not to pre-sift ourselves by projecting our own hatred onto the all-loving Christ. Understanding God/Christ to be all-loving is gained by searching the Scriptures for insight rather than implicitly accusing Jesus of hating his enemies, which borders on blasphemy against the loving Holy Spirit. The omnilove of Jesus is indicated by such Scriptures MT 23:37, in which Jesus lamented over Jerusalem’s lack of repentance or rejection of his preaching (cf. MT 22:39, JN 3:16, RM 5:6-8, 1TM 2:3-4).

We can see that deciding which understanding of the purpose of parables to adopt involves rejecting or accepting Scriptures teaching that God loves everyone, not only the elect or disciples of Jesus. Thus, the doctrine of parables is related to the doctrine of election as a subcategory. I choose to accept the teachings that God is omnilove or loves everyone and wants all to be saved but allows volition and thereby moral accountability to exist, so that souls may reject the Gospel and put faith in I-dolatry. I note that Jesus explained the Parable of the Seeds in plain language, and that the Parable of the Tenants passage indicated his enemies understood he was being critical of them.

Over...
 
Read the context of spiritual gifts and functions in the Body again and think about all the ways "faith" is discussed.

The way I read the Text, God gave us the functions of perceptions, reasoning, choice, belief, infused into us knowledge of His existence, power, divinity, justice, righteousness, then identified His Son to us and what He has provided for us in His Son and thereby has provided not only the capacity to believe but the information He requires us to believe and He draws men to His Son by teaching them.

When I see this measure of faith in the context of spiritual gifts and functions of gifts in the Body for the benefit of the entire Body, I'm not seeing a measure of Faith to believe in His Son, but to function in the Body of Christ.

This is my perspective on "a measure of faith". My confidence in someone vs your confidence in them vs. someone else's confidence in them is the product of our various first-hand experiences of the person and the second-hand information and allegations we have heard about the person. Since those factors vary considerably our level of faith in that person and what we expect of them will also vary considerably.

Likewise our confidence in our ability to perform various tasks will vary according to our first-hand experiences and our accumulated information and misinformation.

So, in terms of our confidence to function in various roles in the body of Christ, we will all have a different measure of faith. We are enjoined to perform our tasks in the body according as the Lord has apportioned to each one a measure of faith. God's personal dealing with each one determines the measure of faith each one can sincerely demonstrate. Pretending greater faith than we have developed in our relationship with God is a form of dishonesty. God will not love us more, if we feign great faith in Him, while secretly harbouring anxieties and doubts. The way to deal with these is not to pretend all is well, but to spend more quslity time with Jesus, because the more we know Him, the more we will trust Him.
 
So, in terms of our confidence to function in various roles in the body of Christ, we will all have a different measure of faith. We are enjoined to perform our tasks in the body according as the Lord has apportioned to each one a measure of faith. God's personal dealing with each one determines the measure of faith each one can sincerely demonstrate. Pretending greater faith than we have developed in our relationship with God is a form of dishonesty. God will not love us more, if we feign great faith in Him, while secretly harbouring anxieties and doubts. The way to deal with these is not to pretend all is well, but to spend more quslity time with Jesus, because the more we know Him, the more we will trust Him.

Good insights re: this Scripture IMO.
 
The Bible clearly states in many passages of scripture that we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications." (Luke 7:50; 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 11:17; 13:39; 15:9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:6-9, 26; Ephesians 2:8; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

Now you don't need to add the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of these passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Hence, FAITH ALONE. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus works? NO. So then it's faith (rightly understood) in Christ alone.

Not to be confused with an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" - barren of works. (James 2:14-24)

Yes, God's one requirement for salvation can be expressed in various ways that are summarized by the word "faith",
and in order to understand the biblical doctrine of salvation (soteriology) one needs to employ the semantic/hermeneutic gift
of "both-and" logic, which means being able to harmonize Scripture or see synonyms and essential similarities,
like describing different facets of one diamond or understanding anatomy by adding one system at a time.

A systematic and rather complete consideration of soteriology may be found
in Lesson 2 (The Christian Creed) of our website: <truthseekersfellowship.com>
which is also the subject of the Kerygma thread.

LIC, GWH
 
This was before Jesus died on the cross. Repentance and remission of sins was not preached for anyone to obey until Pentecost (Acts 2), 50 days after Jesus died on the cross. While on earth, Jesus could save anyone anyway he pleased. After His death, He had to have a “plan” for how people were going to be saved.
In Mark 1:4 and Luke 3:3, we read that John was preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, and this was before Jesus died on the cross. Now was this baptism for (in order to obtain) remission of sins or was it for (in regard to/on the basis of) remission of sins received upon repentance? Obviously, the latter. In Matthew 3:11, we read - I baptize you with water FOR repentance.. (NASB) If translated "in order to obtain" the verse does not make sense. I baptize you with water FOR (in order to obtain) repentance? OR I baptize you with water FOR (in regards to/on the basis of) repentance? Obviously, the latter.

Before AND after Jesus died on the cross, salvation is through belief/faith "apart from water baptism." (Genesis 15:6; Luke 7:50; 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43-47; 11:17-18; 13:38-39; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:2-6; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; 1 John 5:13 etc..).
 
In Mark 1:4 and Luke 3:3, we read that John was preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, and this was before Jesus died on the cross. Now was this baptism for (in order to obtain) remission of sins or was it for (in regard to/on the basis of) remission of sins received upon repentance? Obviously, the latter. In Matthew 3:11, we read - I baptize you with water FOR repentance.. (NASB) If translated "in order to obtain" the verse does not make sense. I baptize you with water FOR (in order to obtain) repentance? OR I baptize you with water FOR (in regards to/on the basis of) repentance? Obviously, the latter.

Before AND after Jesus died on the cross, salvation is through belief/faith "apart from water baptism." (Genesis 15:6; Luke 7:50; 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43-47; 11:17-18; 13:38-39; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:2-6; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; 1 John 5:13 etc..).




The baptism of repentance that John preached is called “John’s baptism.
Acts 19:3- “And he said to them, into what were you baptized? And they said to him, Into JOHN’S BAPTISM.
Luke 7:29-“..having been baptized with the BAPTISM OF JOHN. (and more scriptures)
It was the baptism for THAT TIME and it accomplished exactly what God intended to accomplish. John was the Forerunner of Christ. He came to PREPARE THE WAY ( Luke 7:27). To get the people READY for the Christ. His baptism is not to be confused with the baptism of Jesus which was baptism IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. Acts 2:38. THAT baptism, In the name of Jesus, was prophesied BY JESUS to be preached FIRST in Jerusalem after his death and resurrection.
LUKE 24:46-47
“And He ( Jesus) said to them, ‘Thus it is written and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,” NOW Christ is resurrected and AFTER His resurrection…”and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached IN HIS NANE, to all nations BEGINNING AT JERUSALEM.”
This prophecy was fulfilled in Acts 2.
1) they were in Jerusalem
2) there were Jews there from “ every nation under heaven Acts 2:5
3) Peter preached, “ REPENT and be baptized…IN THE NAME IF JESUS CHRIST, for the REMISSION OF YOUR SINS…” V. 38

The Lord was the one who prophesied that it would be preached first in Jerusalem. Do you want to argue with Him?

This is why the thief on the cross did not need to be baptized with the baptism of Jesus—because it was not preached until 50 DAYS AFTER THE THIEF WAS DEAD!! It made no difference whether he had been baptized with John’s baptism or whether he had never been baptized in his life! Because Jesus was there to SAVE HIM IN PERSON!! Just like He saved the woman with the issue of blood or the man let down through a hole in the roof, or any other person He saved while He was alive and walked the earth. But Jesus is not here today to save us that way. Just imagine if He had left and had not given us a plan or any instructions for how people are to be saved when He is no longer here to do it in person? How would you and I know what to do to be saved?? We can’t save ourselves, so what would we do?? We wouldn’t know what to do.

But He HAS LEFT US A PLAN. It is in His “Will”. It came into effect when He died on the cross and was preached 50 days after His death. Jesus says….
Believe and be baptized and you shall be saved. Mark 16:16
Repent and be baptized and you will receive remission if sins. Acts 2:38
Confess me unto salvation Rom 10:10
NONE of this ever applied to the thief on the cross. Because he lived during the personal ministry of Jesus while he was on earth; before His death and before His “will” and plan of salvation was ever preached. His plan for salvation was not in effect until AFTER His death Hebrews 9:16-17. The thief was long gone by that time. None of it ever applied to him.

So you think you can be saved like the thief on the cross?? Can you be baptized with John’s baptism? Because that is all the thief had available to him. Is Jesus going to come down from heaven to save you in person? Do you think none of the law of Christ applies to you? Because NONE OF THE LAW OF CHRIST applied to the thief. IT wasn’t in effect yet. Hebrews 9:16-17. So you are just going to BY-PASS the “will” of Jesus that He left us and be saved your own way? Good luck with that.
 
The baptism of repentance that John preached is called “John’s baptism.
Acts 19:3- “And he said to them, into what were you baptized? And they said to him, Into JOHN’S BAPTISM.
Luke 7:29-“..having been baptized with the BAPTISM OF JOHN. (and more scriptures)
It was the baptism for THAT TIME and it accomplished exactly what God intended to accomplish. John was the Forerunner of Christ. He came to PREPARE THE WAY ( Luke 7:27). To get the people READY for the Christ. His baptism is not to be confused with the baptism of Jesus which was baptism IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. Acts 2:38. THAT baptism, In the name of Jesus, was prophesied BY JESUS to be preached FIRST in Jerusalem after his death and resurrection.
LUKE 24:46-47
“And He ( Jesus) said to them, ‘Thus it is written and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,” NOW Christ is resurrected and AFTER His resurrection…”and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached IN HIS NANE, to all nations BEGINNING AT JERUSALEM.”
This prophecy was fulfilled in Acts 2.
1) they were in Jerusalem
2) there were Jews there from “ every nation under heaven Acts 2:5
3) Peter preached, “ REPENT and be baptized…IN THE NAME IF JESUS CHRIST, for the REMISSION OF YOUR SINS…” V. 38

The Lord was the one who prophesied that it would be preached first in Jerusalem. Do you want to argue with Him?

This is why the thief on the cross did not need to be baptized with the baptism of Jesus—because it was not preached until 50 DAYS AFTER THE THIEF WAS DEAD!! It made no difference whether he had been baptized with John’s baptism or whether he had never been baptized in his life! Because Jesus was there to SAVE HIM IN PERSON!! Just like He saved the woman with the issue of blood or the man let down through a hole in the roof, or any other person He saved while He was alive and walked the earth. But Jesus is not here today to save us that way. Just imagine if He had left and had not given us a plan or any instructions for how people are to be saved when He is no longer here to do it in person? How would you and I know what to do to be saved?? We can’t save ourselves, so what would we do?? We wouldn’t know what to do.

But He HAS LEFT US A PLAN. It is in His “Will”. It came into effect when He died on the cross and was preached 50 days after His death. Jesus says….
Believe and be baptized and you shall be saved. Mark 16:16
Repent and be baptized and you will receive remission if sins. Acts 2:38
Confess me unto salvation Rom 10:10
NONE of this ever applied to the thief on the cross. Because he lived during the personal ministry of Jesus while he was on earth; before His death and before His “will” and plan of salvation was ever preached. His plan for salvation was not in effect until AFTER His death Hebrews 9:16-17. The thief was long gone by that time. None of it ever applied to him.

So you think you can be saved like the thief on the cross?? Can you be baptized with John’s baptism? Because that is all the thief had available to him. Is Jesus going to come down from heaven to save you in person? Do you think none of the law of Christ applies to you? Because NONE OF THE LAW OF CHRIST applied to the thief. IT wasn’t in effect yet. Hebrews 9:16-17. So you are just going to BY-PASS the “will” of Jesus that He left us and be saved your own way? Good luck with that.
Also, and I've written about this before, the thief was saved and forgiven by the Lord while the Lord was still alive meaning the OT was in effect; the requirement for baptism as part of salvation didn't come into play until after Jesus had died and the NT came into play. Its clear by reading Hebrews 9:15-17 where it discusses the need for the death of the testator necessary before the testament to be in effect. You couldn't be baptized into Christ or into his death if still alive.
 
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Also, and I've written about this before, the thief was saved and forgiven by the Lord while the Lord was still alive meaning the OT was in effect; the requirement for baptism as part of salvation didn't come into play until after Jesus had died and the NT came into play. Its clear by reading Hebrews 9:15-17 where it discusses the need for the death of the testator necessary before the testament to be in effect. You couldn't be baptized into Christ or into his death if still alive.
people in the OT were saved by grace through faith. Like Abraham and all OT people

Nothing changed except we know what our faith is in now..
 
people in the OT were saved by grace through faith. Like Abraham and all OT people

Nothing changed except we know what our faith is in now..
A lot has changed as relates to God's methodology. Peter says "baptism doth also now save us".

1 Peter 3:21

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
 
A lot has changed as relates to God's methodology. Peter says "baptism doth also now save us".

1 Peter 3:21

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Peter said baptism is a type.

Circumcision or works of the law could never save

baptism will not save either
 
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90+ pages. Seriously?!
So if we’re stranded in a desert somewhere, we won’t have any food or water, but we’ll be able to argue over and over 🙄