I'm comparing mental assent belief from the head with saving belief from the heart.
Saved by faith alone?
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Your statement seemed to be more about rebellion than head or heart belief or mental assent.
@studier, @lrs68 i heard this a few years ago best example I heard
A man tied a tightrope from one side of Niagara Falls to the other. He then got a wheelbarrow and gathered enough large rocks to roughly equal weight of a normal human
He then crossed the Niagara Falls multiple times with no issue
A crowd gathered and were astonished he could do this (one slip meant certain death)
He spoke to them and told him who he was and what he was doing. After a few more times he asked everyone
Who believes I can take a real person across. Everyone raised their hand. He proved he could do it. So everyone BELIEVED
He then asked for Volunteer's. Sadly at this everyone looked at everyone else. I one would volunteer
You see they believed he could
Do it. But they were not confident he could take them. They did not trust he would make it. They were not assured he would succeed with them
They believed. But they had no faith
A man tied a tightrope from one side of Niagara Falls to the other. He then got a wheelbarrow and gathered enough large rocks to roughly equal weight of a normal human
He then crossed the Niagara Falls multiple times with no issue
A crowd gathered and were astonished he could do this (one slip meant certain death)
He spoke to them and told him who he was and what he was doing. After a few more times he asked everyone
Who believes I can take a real person across. Everyone raised their hand. He proved he could do it. So everyone BELIEVED
He then asked for Volunteer's. Sadly at this everyone looked at everyone else. I one would volunteer
You see they believed he could
Do it. But they were not confident he could take them. They did not trust he would make it. They were not assured he would succeed with them
They believed. But they had no faith
What is the difference between the heart and the head?
The chair that you sit in. Is it your head belief or your heart belief that puts faith in it to hold you up?
The calvies tell us that our hearts are evil and wicked( they are right) until we are saved.
Yes, there are many such illustrations. We can also read Rom4:16-22 to see the words Paul used to describe Abraham's [not weak] faith but we should recognize that this short narrative is covering several years of Abraham's life.
I follow you. Is salvation a belief issue with demons or is their issue rebellion against God?
You going to make me do the work or are you going to provide the Scripture to prove what Yeshua said and in what context?
Abraham was saved in gen 15. Not decades later
Show where the illustration fails
Did a abraham believe in gen 15. Or did he have faith?
I was just making a point that even though the demons are in rebellion to God, they still believe in their head that there is one God and they also believe certain facts about Jesus, but their belief is not saving belief.
Just as there are also folks who profess to be Christians and believe certain facts about Jesus in their head, without trusting in Jesus alone for salvation (but instead trust in works for salvation) which falls short of saving belief.
Why is this even a question? Where does the Bible say demons can be saved? The lake of fire is to be made for them.
Don't know what I can do for you other than quote the words that were written.