Saved by faith alone?
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So you believe, we don't get a choice.
We don't choose how we are born.
We are cared for by our parents but there comes a time when we need to choose to eat, and obey our parents to survive. Make our own choices.
Jesus said to follow Him and eat His flesh (consume His teachings), and He does not force us to.
Christ is the Saviour, it's not our abilities, not our works. He offers us salvation as a free gift. Christ is the gift, and when we receive Christ, we have salvation. "He that hath the Son, hath life." 1 John 5:12. But if you don't have the Son, you don't have life.
I believe that this experience is day by day and moment by moment. Sin seperates us from Christ and forgiveness by grace is freely given. By faith alone we are saved but sin seperates us from Christ.
So faith without works is dead.
We don't choose how we are born.
We are cared for by our parents but there comes a time when we need to choose to eat, and obey our parents to survive. Make our own choices.
Jesus said to follow Him and eat His flesh (consume His teachings), and He does not force us to.
Christ is the Saviour, it's not our abilities, not our works. He offers us salvation as a free gift. Christ is the gift, and when we receive Christ, we have salvation. "He that hath the Son, hath life." 1 John 5:12. But if you don't have the Son, you don't have life.
I believe that this experience is day by day and moment by moment. Sin seperates us from Christ and forgiveness by grace is freely given. By faith alone we are saved but sin seperates us from Christ.
So faith without works is dead.
I'm simply going by the translations and numerous translations say no root. The NASB says no firm root which still makes my point of not being firmly rooted and established, which explains why saving belief was not established. Now show me the fruit. It's not there in the rocky and thorny soil. Faith without works is dead, remember? ONLY the good ground produced a crop of various sizes.
The only faith and works that can justify (along with everything else necessary for salvation), are of/from Christ alone, not us, otherwise, we would be co-saviors with Christ, and Christ then not the Savior. It is quite clear from scripture though that Christ stands alone as the Savior. Christ's faith and works perfectly satisfied the Father requirements so that salvation was brought to fruition by Him alone for those so chosen for it - had He not provided both perfectly, salvation would not be possible - a requirement that no man is able to satisfy. This is not to say those saved should not perform good works because they should, but doing so as the result of their salvation, not a contribution to it.
[Jas 2:21 KJV] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[Rom 4:2 KJV] 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God.
[Jas 2:21 KJV] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[Rom 4:2 KJV] 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God.
He was saved in Gen 15
His works occured after this happened. and sadly so did quite a few sins
His works occured after this happened. and sadly so did quite a few sins
1. You get saved
2. Then after you are saved you do Godly works because God uses you for His purposes.
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Out of context according to you maybe- but you have proven yourself an untrustworthy judge in the past regarding things spiritual. However, it is interesting you would say that - it being my point that man's works cannot contribute to their salvation - thanks appreciate it - but you should actually read and understand the post you are commenting on - makes you look kinda dumb otherwise - so, I guess it is you who is ridiculous.
"This is not to say those saved should not perform good works because they should, but doing so as the result of their salvation, not a contribution to it. "
"This is not to say those saved should not perform good works because they should, but doing so as the result of their salvation, not a contribution to it. "
Here is the passage:
9 When they came to the place of which God had told him, Abraham built the altar there and laid the wood in order and bound Isaac his son and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. 10 Then Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to slaughter his son. 11 But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.” 12 He said, “Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me.” 13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, behind him was a ram, caught in a thicket by his horns. And Abraham went and took the ram and offered it up as a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 So Abraham called the name of that place, “The Lord will provide”;[b] as it is said to this day, “On the mount of the Lord it shall be provided.”[c]
15 And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his[d] enemies, 18 and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice.”
A. for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son
B. because you have done this
C. I will surely bless you
Abraham obeyed God because Abraham believed the One who spoke to him would fulfill His part of the promise as long as Abraham did the same.
If you believe that Abraham did what he did because God "saved" him, please quote your verse.
Also, surmising is not quoting.
9 When they came to the place of which God had told him, Abraham built the altar there and laid the wood in order and bound Isaac his son and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. 10 Then Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to slaughter his son. 11 But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.” 12 He said, “Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me.” 13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, behind him was a ram, caught in a thicket by his horns. And Abraham went and took the ram and offered it up as a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 So Abraham called the name of that place, “The Lord will provide”;[b] as it is said to this day, “On the mount of the Lord it shall be provided.”[c]
15 And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his[d] enemies, 18 and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice.”
A. for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son
B. because you have done this
C. I will surely bless you
Abraham obeyed God because Abraham believed the One who spoke to him would fulfill His part of the promise as long as Abraham did the same.
If you believe that Abraham did what he did because God "saved" him, please quote your verse.
Also, surmising is not quoting.
For the natural + Christian Jew and the Christian Gentile Abraham had always been called our father concerning the faith. This was well before Jesus Died and Resurrected. So no matter what kind of spin you are attempting to place on Abraham the Christophany Covenant made through Abraham guaranteed his salvation before any of us.
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