Saved by faith alone?
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There is no unforgivable sin. It seems to be presumptuous for a mere human being to designate that God is not able to forgive this or that particular sin. He is God and we are not.
Not true!
““Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”—”
Mark 3:28-29 NKJV
Mark 3 verses 28-29 / Matthew 12 verses 31-32 / Luke 12 verse 10 ~ Truly I tell you, the sons of men will be forgiven all sins and blasphemies, as many as they utter. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.
I have already defended this statement to Cameron. You might like to read the discussion starting from here #2,062 .
How can you deny a verse that says just the opposite of what you’re stating?
Believe what God says, not in men who deny Truth!
The Bible has more than ONE VERSE. Taking the Biblical account as a whole, it's CLEAR the "Works" / "Works of the law" sre not salvific, but are the natural effect of BEING SAVED. Works contribute to the maturing process (Rom 8:28,29 - Jas 2:18). But only FAITH saves (Eph 2:8,9).
Simple as that.
“Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”
James 2:17 NKJV
At any particular time there may be unforgiven sins. One is unforgiveness towards another person who has asked for mercy, because Jesus said, "Unless you forgive your brother from the heart, your heavenly Father will not forgiven you."
Mat 18:35
“This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”
Mat 18:35
Thus also my heavenly Father shall do to you if ye forgive not from your hearts every one his brother.
Another is deliberately slandering the Holy Spirit, because Jesus said that whoever does this won't be forgiven in this age or the coming one. This may be understood similarly to "Whoever come to this cafe on a Sunday will not be served in this month or the next."
The same person who came on a Sunday in this month may come on the next Tuesday of this month and be served. They are not excluded from service on Tuesday merely because they have previously made the mistake of coming to the cafe when it was closed on a Sunday. Likewise the person who blasphemes the Holy Spirit between March 21 and November 22 in this age will also not be forgiven during that period. But if they happen to repent from slandering the Holy Spirit on the 23 November in this age, they will be forgiven, because a broken and contrite spirit the Lord will not reject.
Psa 34:18
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
Psa 51:17
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Isa 57:15
For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
Isa 66:2
For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
I've seen some of your analogies that seem to make sense and some that may not. How specifically are you getting this cafe analogy?
Translation: if WHAT YOU CALL FAITH doesn't produce "good works", then it was never "Biblical FAITH" at all.
Do you have any verses that state the "only" part of your assertion?
If not I suggest you rethink this assertion.
Simple as that.
I just think of another verb and make up a comparable sentence and context. If you throw a verb of your choice at me, I'll see if I can make up another comparable example using that. It's possible because verbal structures are used in language to convey a range of nuanced meanings.