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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theory Video Debunked By Experts

Sinnerman seems to think I'm this nutty conspiracy theorist. How often has anyone ever seen ME post a conspiracy theory in here? NEVER, that's how often..lol.. I think Sinnerman has his own delusions, since this seems to be the ONLY forum he posts on whenever he's online.. lol
I would not use the word never, since I already posted a copy of your message you posted here in support of chootchooot, saying that the families who lost children at Sandy Hook were given new homes and mucho denaro. That would be a post in a conspiracy thread, which automatically calls into question your statement saying you NEVER have posted a comment here. If you'd like, I can copy and paste a hundred or so messages I have posted in other forums, which would disprove your other false statement that the ONLY forum I post in is the conspiracy forum. Some of those posts I have made in other forums were replied to by you, so you should know better than to make knowingly false accusations about me, shouldn't you? How is being petty a good thing for you? What is the upside for you? Does it help or hurt your reputation here? Maybe it's time you began keeping your distance from someone you have issues with rather than stalk them and make false allegations about them. That is my suggestion to you, Miss 48.3 posts per day.
 
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Hey why is it that Sandy Hook is the only school shooting that is classified by the FBI? Columbine shooting happened a long time ago and I can very very easily prove that it happened. If you told me columbine was a hoax I could easily shut you up in seconds. Why are you not able to prove Sandy Hook was real? Columbine happened a long time ago and it was very real. But why is it that Sandy hook was so current and with all the camera phones etc you can't prove anything. Why can't you just shut me up for good? All you need to do is show one picture of a child or adult with one drop of blood on their clothes. Even show a picture of someone in a body bag. Where the teachers lying when they said they held a bloodied child in their arms as he/she died? You say you were in law enforcement and you don't find this a bit odd? Can tell you def weren't a detective.
You are saying that if I show you one picture of one person from Sandy Hook with blood on them, you'll stop all of this nonsense? Are you joking? You'll never stop. Tell me how you would prove that Columbine happened? If some nut job said it was made up, how would you prove to them it was real?

I just offered you proof that the man you said was an actor was an actual FBI employee. I proved it. I proved to you that the child you said was still alive was murdered, and that you posted a picture of his brother, not him. Did you then come here and admit you were misled by kooks on conspiracy web sites? Nope. You didn't. You went down another rabbit hole and started talking about blood. What will be next? Are you going to revisit the porta pottie theory?

Thousands of pictures were taken at the Sandy Hook Elementary school crime scene. Hundreds of people, both civilian and law enforcement were at the scene of the crime. The school was evacuated. Hundreds of students and faculty heard the shooting and saw the aftermath. How do you explain the dozens of autopsies and dozens of funerals. Did some top secret government agents pose as funeral home directors and prepare dozens of dead kids bodies for burial that were not the children of the parents who attended the funeral? Did the President decide to play along with the hoax just for kicks? Are all those children still hiding in their parents basement? None of them have been seen since they were murdered and buried. I doubt you have a believable theory for any of this. But you also don't believe you are suffering from psychosis or have issues with reality, do you. Maybe you live in a basement yourself and never leave your home and do not communicate with others, and this is just part of your disorder. Why not try returning to a normal life? People her can help you. People here will accept you if you admit you have a problem and ask for help. God doesn't want his people to act crazy. He wants them to be good citizens who show respect and compassion for those who have lost loved ones. Imagine if you met the parents of a murdered child from Sandy Hook and they were sad and needed comfort and wanted to know why God allowed this to happen. Instead of sharing God's love with them, you want to tell them they are liars and their child is not dead. Is that the sort of thing you believe God wants you to be doing?
 

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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theory Video Debunked By Experts

I would not use the word never, since I already posted a copy of your message you posted here in support of chootchooot, saying that the families who lost children at Sandy Hook were given new homes and mucho denaro. That would be a post in a conspiracy thread, which automatically calls into question your statement saying you NEVER have posted a comment here. If you'd like, I can copy and paste a hundred or so messages I have posted in other forums, which would disprove your other false statement that the ONLY forum I post in is the conspiracy forum. Some of those posts I have made in other forums were replied to by you, so you should know better than to make knowingly false accusations about me, shouldn't you? How is being petty a good thing for you? What is the upside for you? Does it help or hurt your reputation here? Maybe it's time you began keeping your distance from someone you have issues with rather than stalk them and make false allegations about them. That is my suggestion to you, Miss 48.3 posts per day.

LOL.. If I were stalking you, I'd comment on ALL of your posts in ALL the forums you visit. Since I DO have you on ignore, I don't see any posts of yours unless I click the "view post" button under your reply. And since I rarely see you post in any other forums, this one is the one you must frequent most. Nothing false about my allegations at all, since I said it SEEMS that you don't post in forums other than this one. And why are you so obsessed with how many posts I make in a day? I can assure you with great certainty that the people in the BDF make MANY MANY MORE posts than I do, within a day's time..lol

Maybe you should stop replying to my comments, so I can stop commenting in return on yours. The only one being petty here is YOU, by being so obsessed and concerned with how many posts I make in a day. Who cares? There's no minimum or maximum quota on how many posts a person makes.
 

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Re: Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theory Video Debunked By Experts

You are saying that if I show you one picture of one person from Sandy Hook with blood on them, you'll stop all of this nonsense? Are you joking? You'll never stop. Tell me how you would prove that Columbine happened? If some nut job said it was made up, how would you prove to them it was real?

I just offered you proof that the man you said was an actor was an actual FBI employee. I proved it. I proved to you that the child you said was still alive was murdered, and that you posted a picture of his brother, not him. Did you then come here and admit you were misled by kooks on conspiracy web sites? Nope. You didn't. You went down another rabbit hole and started talking about blood. What will be next? Are you going to revisit the porta pottie theory?

Thousands of pictures were taken at the Sandy Hook Elementary school crime scene. Hundreds of people, both civilian and law enforcement were at the scene of the crime. The school was evacuated. Hundreds of students and faculty heard the shooting and saw the aftermath. How do you explain the dozens of autopsies and dozens of funerals. Did some top secret government agents pose as funeral home directors and prepare dozens of dead kids bodies for burial that were not the children of the parents who attended the funeral? Did the President decide to play along with the hoax just for kicks? Are all those children still hiding in their parents basement? None of them have been seen since they were murdered and buried. I doubt you have a believable theory for any of this. But you also don't believe you are suffering from psychosis or have issues with reality, do you. Maybe you live in a basement yourself and never leave your home and do not communicate with others, and this is just part of your disorder. Why not try returning to a normal life? People her can help you. People here will accept you if you admit you have a problem and ask for help. God doesn't want his people to act crazy. He wants them to be good citizens who show respect and compassion for those who have lost loved ones. Imagine if you met the parents of a murdered child from Sandy Hook and they were sad and needed comfort and wanted to know why God allowed this to happen. Instead of sharing God's love with them, you want to tell them they are liars and their child is not dead. Is that the sort of thing you believe God wants you to be doing?


Yep, I will drop the whole thing if you post one picture of a parent or child with just one single drop of blood on their clothes. Come on Mr. Ex law enforcement you say there are thousands well just post one. But you know what even if I were to go there and dig up their graves and show you the empty caskets you would still think this shooting was real. So come on since you believe the official story, and you believe all these fake cryers who said they held the dying children in their arms yet they don't have a single drop of blood on their clothes. Come on please show me just one of these thousands of photos you are talking about please I beg you. I will apologize to you for being so heartless. So please I beg you just post one picture of these thousands of pictures you are talking about and I will not talk about this here anymore. After this post will probably ignore you. If you can't post one picture with someone having a drop of blood on their clothes after you said you have thousands am not going to waste my time talking to a serial liar. Here's proof columbine happened done in less than two minutes.

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There are many more pictures online of these two from different angles.
 
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Sandy Hook crime scene photos

I'll do what I can chootchooot. I was unaware of any person saying they held one of the dead children and got their blood on their clothes. The parents were told to wait in a particular area and if their child was not returned to them by a certain time, they were told that meant their child was dead and had been moved to the morgue in a body bag. So I'm wondering where you got the quote from people who had hugged their dead bloody child.
















That is about all I found doing a simple google search. However, my wife's brother-in-law arrived for a visit and I asked him to help me out and explain the lack of photos of dead kids. He retired a year ago after working as a criminal investigator for the park service. He stated several things. First, he said that Columbine was one of the first school shootings and law enforcement has developed protocols. If the allowed crime scene photos of dead children to be released onto the internet, people would lose their jobs. He further stated that freedom of information requests would also not work to gain access to such photos. The school was evacuated and only law enforcement entered it. No parents or school staff entered the building. If a child or school employee took pictures with a cell phone, they potentially could have leaked into public domain. Some web sites refuse to allow people to post such pictures. He was also quite clear on this last point. He said you are, and I quote, one sick individual.

The one good thing to come out of this is that chootchooot has stated he is not planning to post further on this topic, as I understand him.
 

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wrong shooting, that isn't sandy hook, Wow not only did you lie saying that you had thousands of pictures of injured people from sandy hook you try to post pictures form the Aurora theater shooting.


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There are thousands of pictures eh?
 

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Re: Sandy Hook crime scene photos

This is sandy hook empty tarps

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Re: Sandy Hook crime scene photos

The Cheshire, Connecticut, home invasion murders occurred on July 23, 2007. Jennifer Hawke-Petit and her two daughters were raped and murdered, while her husband, Dr. William Petit, was injured during a home invasion in Cheshire, Connecticut. 628x471.jpg
 
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Sorry. If you google Sandy Hook crime scene photos, these are what came up. I don't suppose a conspiracy kook who posts pictures of a dead childs brother and tries to say the dead child was still alive days later is ever going to post an apology and say he was wrong. Unlike you, I just stated why I accidentally posted false information and pictures. Scary how deep into this sick stuff you are that you so quickly figured out which crime scenes those pictures are really from. You obsess on some pretty sick stuff.

Here's a challenge to you. Make a call to the Medical Examiner near Sandy Hook and speak to him or her and ask how many victims he examined from the shooting. Ask him whatever you'd like. Ask him if he is an actor if you'd like. Then come back here and tell us he is part of some government cover up. Then tell us why would there ever have been a cover up. What would it accomplish? Nothing. But go ahead and make one phone call to settle your concerns. I can probably track down the phone number if you can't. And about those pictures you obsess on. Did you not read what I said earlier? Those graphic pictures are not public information. I don't have access to them. Sure, you'll see that as a conspiracy, but their are laws about privacy in such matters. The ME will resolve your paranoid conspiracy concerns. Then you can crawl back under a rock and study a different conspiracy.
 

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Sorry. If you google Sandy Hook crime scene photos, these are what came up. I don't suppose a conspiracy kook who posts pictures of a dead childs brother and tries to say the dead child was still alive days later is ever going to post an apology and say he was wrong. Unlike you, I just stated why I accidentally posted false information and pictures. Scary how deep into this sick stuff you are that you so quickly figured out which crime scenes those pictures are really from. You obsess on some pretty sick stuff.

Here's a challenge to you. Make a call to the Medical Examiner near Sandy Hook and speak to him or her and ask how many victims he examined from the shooting. Ask him whatever you'd like. Ask him if he is an actor if you'd like. Then come back here and tell us he is part of some government cover up. Then tell us why would there ever have been a cover up. What would it accomplish? Nothing. But go ahead and make one phone call to settle your concerns. I can probably track down the phone number if you can't. And about those pictures you obsess on. Did you not read what I said earlier? Those graphic pictures are not public information. I don't have access to them. Sure, you'll see that as a conspiracy, but their are laws about privacy in such matters. The ME will resolve your paranoid conspiracy concerns. Then you can crawl back under a rock and study a different conspiracy.

I have already spent a long time researching the medical examiner on the sandy hook case and he is a huge fraud. Also I already said this was the first school shooting that has been classified by the FBI. If your reason for not finding any pictures of dead children was because they were underage, there were 7 adults that supposedly died that day. Again the news cameras filmed many children and adults walking around. I didn't ask for pictures of the dead. I only asked for one picture of a student or teacher or EMT or police officer or anyone with only a single drop of blood on their clothes and I would never talk about sandy hook again in cc. I will also say if you can show one person in a body bag or a leaked photo of a dead child at a wake funeral I will not talk about sandy hook again in cc. I already know you won't be able to because I made sure I was 100% sure this was a hoax before I started talking about it. I have already stated the motives in this fake shooting. The main actors that were in on it the next day started pushing their gun control agenda. Yes they weren't able to accomplish as much as they wished but they appeared on tons of talk shows oprah, dr Oz, larry King, etc... all of them talking about making more gun control laws. After Sandy hook and then the San Bernardino shooting CA has just passed a bunch of gun control laws.
 
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'You feel helpless': First responders rushed to school after shooting, only to wait

NEWTOWN, Conn. – Emergency medical services responders in this “volunteer town” were having an ordinary day on Friday, getting ready to go Christmas shopping, waiting in line at the post office or hanging out at home on the crisp fall morning when the call came in: Their skills were needed at Sandy Hook Elementary.
More than 20 members of the Newtown Volunteer Ambulance Corps and two of its rigs rushed to the scene of what was first described simply as a “shooting in the building,” but quickly escalated to reports of a gunman -- or possibly two -- at large on the school grounds and gunfire, lots of gunfire.
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They quickly set up primary and secondary triage sites, preparing to receive the wounded. But as other ambulances from neighboring communities rolled up, sirens blaring, the first responders slowly realized that their training would be tragically underutilized on this horrible day.
Only a few of the wounded were brought out for stabilizing treatment and then whisked off to the hospital. Everyone else among the 20 children and six adults who were shot had been killed by what turned out to be a single gunman – now identified as 20-year-old Adam Lanza, who committed suicide at the end of the rampage.
[HR][/HR]“We're waiting there with a triage area set up to take care of all of these patients ... and when the call came over the radio to release all of these ambulances from surrounding towns and just hold the Newtown ambulances at the scene, that was when I think it hit most of us that our services were not going to be utilized at that point,” James Wolff, a 44-year-old EMT who responded to the mass shooting, told NBC News on Wednesday.


“Seeing the faces on the other side of the (police) scene tape and the emotion on those faces was, it was difficult to see and especially because we weren't in action doing things trying to save people,” said Wolff, a father of two who joined the town’s volunteer ambulance company 18 months ago. “You may not be able to save everybody, but you damn well try. And when (we) didn't have the opportunity to put our skills into action, it's difficult.”
But Assistant Chief Sharon McCarthy said the first responders found other ways to contribute.
“You feel helpless, I think, but yet we were there,” said McCarthy, who spent six hours at the scene and was the last member of her team to leave. “Police are there, the parents are there. We're trying to help them and reassuring people and just trying to be there. I mean, you know, the parents were victims, too.”
Many of the first responders to the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary on Friday say they will never forget what they saw. Said one: "This is forever in our memory bank." NBC's Miguel Almaguer reports.

“There was an anxious, chaotic crowd and we were trying to keep peace there,” she added. “It was really controlling the scene was what we were working on.”
Laurie Veillette, a volunteer EMT who was leaving the post office when she saw the police cars zoom by moments before receiving the call to duty, said she was assigned to the secondary triage area in the parking lot of the nearby fire station, where unharmed schoolchildren who were evacuated waited to be picked up by their parents.
“We were there while events were still unfolding and we received patients and left,” she said. “I got a text from my daughter on the ambulance on the way back and she said people were saying, 'People are dying there mommy, are you all right?' ... She asked me if I was there and I said, 'I am.' And I said, 'It's bad, and I can't talk about it.'”
Veillette and other EMTs at the scene weren't getting any information from radio or television, but she said they sensed the enormity of what had happened.
“To get that text from her, I knew that it had gotten bigger and it was big,” she said.
Veillette, who said she had worked in past years as a substitute teacher at Sandy Hook, said the loss of so many young children and the professionals who cared for them hit even those used to dealing with death hard.
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This aerial photo shows a triage area set up at the Sandy Hook fire station in Newtown, Conn., near where a gunman opened fire inside Sandy Hook Elementary School on Friday, Dec. 14.


Some of her fellow EMT workers didn't watch the news reports in the immediate aftermath, and they spoke to counselors brought in to handle the “raw emotion” that was coming out, Veillette said.
“The loss of faces in town,” she said, trying to explain the powerful impact the tragedy has had. “It's just a huge loss that touched so many people, but then again, you know, it brought us together. … it's such a mixed emotion. I mean I feel such love and support but at the same time, our community is missing too many people right now.”
Jill Urciuoli, a 58-year-old EMT who also responded that day, said she had spent some time “just trying to figure out what happened, rework everything, see if there was a way I could have done something differently.”
But then she surrendered to the strong emotions coursing through this tight-knit community.
“Grief is grief,” she said. “Everybody feels it. Everybody's heart is ripped out. You don't even need to see it, you feel it ... it hurts.”
McCarthy said that even before the tragedy, a medical call was handled with a small-town approach by the 69-member EMT team, who range in age from 18 to 72. When EMTs had to transport people to the hospital, patients would often hold their hands or pinch their cheeks. And if reassurance was all that was needed, McCarthy said she had occasionally brewed tea and sat down to comfort a nervous resident.
She called the job the second-most challenging and rewarding thing she has done, after parenthood. “This group of people has more heart than you can imagine,” she said.
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Parents leave a staging area after being reunited with their children following a shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., about 60 miles (96 kilometers) northeast of New York City, Friday, Dec. 14, 2012. An official with knowledge of Friday's shooting said 27 people were dead, including 18 children. It was the worst school shooting in the country's history. (AP Photo/Jessica Hill)


Mike Collins, a volunteer since 2005, proudly called Newtown a "volunteer town," with five volunteer fire departments in service, too.
As he stood in the ambulance bay at the corps' post on Main St. -- where a sign posted outside reads, "Still united, we are Newtown strong!" -- Wolff said the shootings have already had a “rippling” effect, noting that his children, a son, 12, and daughter, 15, were openly worrying about him and his wife, who is a teacher in another school district.
“Our kids are now thinking, 'OK, what happens to mom, what happens to dad when they go do what they do," he said, noting that his daughter had pleaded in a text message on Friday after she heard about the shootings, "Daddy don't go."
Wolff also responded later Friday to the home of the alleged shooter's mother, Nancy Lanza, located on a normally quiet residential street that was then flooded with police cruisers, the FBI and the media, among others. Police suspect Nancy was also shot to death by her son at the beginning of the still-unexplained massacre.
Wolff said he arrived in disbelief at the scene, and said the community was just beginning to process what happened.
“We just can't even imagine the long-term feelings and implications,” he said, adding that someone told him this was “Newtown's 9/11. It's kind of on that order of magnitude, for a smaller number of people.”
"This is something that is going to take us a long time to work through. It's all still very raw right now," he said. "But … we are a strong community, we have come together. I think we'll continue to come together and support each other."
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A nation mourns after the second deadliest school shooting in U.S. history at Sandy Hook Elementary, which left 20 children and six staff members dead.


 
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What Kind of Person Calls a Mass Shooting a Hoax?

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[h=2]Sandy Hook father Lenny Pozner is one of too many parents painfully familiar with the answer. Dogged by a relentless conspiracy theorist, he's spent the past three years fighting to protect the honor of his murdered son.[/h]by Mike Spies
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A year and a half after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, Lenny Pozner called to set up a meeting with Wolfgang Halbig. The 68-year-old security consultant was the de facto leader of a community of conspiracy theorists, known as hoaxers, who claimed that the shooting had been staged by the government. To the hoaxers, the 26 victims — one of whom was Pozner’s six-year-old son, Noah — were fictional characters.
Lenny Pozner in an undated photo with his son, Noah.

It was May 28, 2014, and Pozner, an IT consultant, was in Florida on business. He hoped to sit down with Halbig at a coffee shop near his home in Orlando, Florida. He wanted to talk to him face-to-face about Noah, who was his only son and never far from his mind. On December 14, 2012, the day of the shooting, Pozner had been the one to drop Noah off at school. As they drove, they listened to “Gangnam Style,” Noah’s favorite song. When they arrived, Pozner said, “Have a fun day,” and watched as his child headed inside, fiddling with his backpack and brown jacket.
Ever since his son’s death, Pozner had been dealing with the hoaxers. It was his habit to regularly post photos of Noah, a happy boy with soft blue eyes and a wide smile, on his Google Plus page. He would put up pictures of Noah hugging his twin sister, or playing on the beach, or showing off the tooth he lost less than two weeks before he was murdered. The hoaxers would see these images and offer comments: “Where’s Noah going to die next?” read one. Another commenter, seemingly believing that Pozner had been recruited to help perpetuate the myth of the shooting, asked, “How much do you get paid?”


Pozner was one of the rare Sandy Hook parents who confronted those who questioned his child’s murder. In response to their comments, he posted online his son’s birth and death certificates. He shared the medical examiner’s report and one of Noah’s report cards. The hoaxers said the records were counterfeits.
Pozner remained undaunted. He thought that perhaps if he could show Halbig the documents in person, he and the rest of the hoaxers might at last relent. “I wanted to be as transparent as possible,” Pozner says. “I thought keeping the documents private would only feed the conspiracy.”
When Pozner did not receive a reply from Halbig, he contacted Kelley Watt, one of the more aggressive hoaxers who showed up on his Google Plus page. Watt wrote back on Halbig’s behalf. “Wolfgang does not wish to speak with you,” her note said, “unless you exhume Noah’s body and prove to the world you lost your son.”
Giving up on a meeting with Halbig, Pozner looked to engage in some sort of dialogue with the people who, around this time, made him their chief target. (One video montage that started making the rounds showed images of Noah set to a soundtrack of pornographic sounds.) In June 2014, Pozner accepted an invitation to join a private Facebook group called Sandy Hook Hoax. He told its members that he was willing to answer their questions. “I think I lasted all of eight minutes,” he recalls. One participant said, “Man, I’m gonna have to coach you up if you wanna go on TV and make money Lenny.” Another typical attacker proclaimed, “F*** your fake family, you piece of s***.”
Pozner eventually realized that, for Halbig and his brethren, this was a game without end. His efforts to combat them became a mission. “I’m going to have to protect Noah’s honor for the rest of my life,” he says.

Every modern atrocity or disaster has its attendant conspiracy theories. Their shared thesis is that governments, needing a way to keep the populace in fear, orchestrate mock calamities, using the tools of the state to cover their tracks. Within 24 hours of the recent mass shooting in San Bernardino, California, videos claiming the event was “staged” surfaced on YouTube and received thousands of clicks.
It was the same in 2007, after a senior at Virginia Tech killed 32 people and wounded 17 others in the worst mass shooting in U.S. history. The record death toll fed rumors that “black ops” must have been behind the incident. Five years later, in the wake of an attack on a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, Alex Jones, who runs the popular conspiracy site InfoWars, implied that the gunman was in cahoots with the government, pointing listeners to his graduate student work at a “government-funded neuroscience program,” not mentioning the fact that, like most grad programs, it receives plenty of private funding as well. In one of the darker ironies America has recently produced, the sheriff investigating the October mass shooting at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College was found to have shared mass shooting conspiracy theories on Facebook.
Yet even amid this terrible canon, the conspiracy theories that sprang up after Sandy Hook have been exceptional. Less than a month after the shooting, a video called “The Sandy Hook Shooting — Fully Exposed” had received 10 million views on YouTube. Driving some of these hoaxers, in part, was a panic over new firearms restrictions. An infamous conspiracy theorist named James Fetzer called the Newtown attack a “FEMA drill to promote gun control.” The National Rifle Association laid the groundwork for such sentiments. In February 2012, Wayne LaPierre, the group’s executive vice president, described then-first-term President Obama’s hidden agenda: “Get re-elected and, with no more elections to worry about…erase the Second Amendment from the Bill of Rights and excise it from the U.S. Constitution.”
In the wake of the massacre, Halbig started the website sandyhookjustice.com. He touted his credentials as a former security director for schools in Seminole County, Florida, and claimed he worked on the official investigation into the mass shooting at Columbine High School in 1999. He said his knowledge of security protocols and procedures provided him with a singular ability to analyze what happened that day in Newtown, and highlight what he believed to be the government’s many lies. Other hoaxers rallied around Halbig’s alleged resume, and donated tens of thousands of dollars to his GoFundMe account. On his show, Alex Jones championed him as a “leading expert” on Sandy Hook.
To press their case, hoaxers designated themselves experts on the physiology of grieving. The parents didn’t appear sad enough in interviews, they argued; therefore, they could not possibly have lost children.
Halbig became known for asking a set of 16 questions that he argued proved the event was staged, carried out by “crisis actors,” whom the government pays to pose as victims during emergency preparedness drills. Halbig claimed the authorities could not provide him with answers that, in fact, were available to the public in the Connecticut State Police report on the shooting. For instance, he wanted to know why paramedics and EMTs weren’t allowed to enter the school (they were), and why helicopters weren’t used to transport victims to the hospital (with the exception of four wounded individuals, who were taken by ambulance, the rest were dead). Supplied with those facts, he and the hoaxers insisted they had to be fiction, given their source. The whole point, after all, is that the government can never be trusted.
Frustrated by their inability to rattle government officials, Hoaxers began attacking the families of victims, accusing them of being “treasonous” government operatives. To press their case, they designated themselves authorities on the physiology of grieving. The parents didn’t appear sad enough in interviews, they argued; therefore, they could not possibly have lost children. “They aren’t behaving the way human beings would act,” conspiracy theorist Jay Weidner said on his radio show. Hoaxers also latched onto time-stamping errors on certain victims’ memorial pages, which, due to a common Google bug, made it seem like they were set up the before the massacre. The hoaxers found a photo of a little girl taken after the shooting. Mistaking its subject for her dead sister, they held it up as proof that the victim was still alive.
The conspiracy movement’s personal attacks show no sign of abating. Early this November, a 32-year-old man was arrested for accosting the sisters of Vicki Soto, a slain teacher, at a Newtown charity event; he wanted to ask them whether a family photo of theirs had been photoshopped.

For the hoaxers, no private moment has been sacred. At one point, they vigorously picked over the details of Noah’s funeral. Prior to the ceremony, the family opened Noah’s casket for a private viewing, which was reported in the news. It’s not an unusual custom for Jewish families, but hoaxers alleged it was against the laws of the religion, which somehow helped substantiate their claim that Noah wasn’t real.
It was around this time that Pozner began to fight back. Halbig’s sandyhookjustice.com had by then drawn a benificent counterbalance, blogs like sandyhookfacts.com, devoted to debunking every crackpot claim put forward by the hoaxers, whom they referred to as “conspiratards.” Pozner began to work with the blogs’ authors, who had no connection to Newtown or its residents, beyond a shared disgust with Halbig’s campaign. “This became my catharsis, my path to healing,” Pozner says. “It was how I was getting the pain out of me.”
“I know that the more garbage that is out there, the more it ages over time, the more the myth becomes accepted as a disgusting historical fact that tries to dismiss the existence of my child,” says Pozner. “I mean, damn it, his life had value. He existed. He was real. How dare they.”
Pozner also began filing police reports against his harassers. The reports would never go anywhere, but Pozner didn’t care. He put the documents online. “So the hoaxers could see what I was doing,” he says. Often, it was enough to cause people to take down the offensive content in question.
During the summer of 2014, two months after Pozner had suggested they meet in Florida, he filed a complaint against Halbig with the Florida Attorney General. “I wanted the AG to know he was a fraud,” Pozner says. The complaint read, “Mister Halbig is soliciting donation from people to fund his uncovering the Hoax at Sandy Hook… As a parent of a child that was murdered on 12-14-12 in Sandy Hook Elementary school, I feel his scam is just plain wrong.”
After Halbig learned of the complaint, he tried calling Pozner several times, leaving messages on his voicemail. He sounded alarmed, and said it was “urgent” that they speak. Halbig denies reaching out, but Pozner saved the voicemails and phone records from that period. I asked Halbig about the discrepancy. “That’s very strange,” he told me. “Never called him in my life.”
On December 16, 2014, shortly after the two-year anniversary of Newtown, Taliban gunmen opened fire at a school in Peshawar, Pakistan, killing 141 people. Soon after, a poster of Noah inexplicably appeared at a vigil there. “I assume it was done out of solidarity,” Pozner says.
Halbig and the hoaxers made much of this development. They began to sarcastically refer to Noah as the boy who was “killed twice.” Halbig splashed the pictures all over sandyhookjustice.com. Then, in early 2015, he escalated his attacks, posting the Attorney General complaint on his website. The complaint contained all of Pozner’s contact information.
“So I sued him in September,” Pozner says.
The injunction required Halbig to remove the complaint from the Internet. Instead, Halbig took down his entire website. Pozner was pleased with the result, until a month later, when Halbig launched a new website, where he resumed what he calls his “investigation.” Last week, Halbig used the site to recirculate photos of Noah that had previously appeared online.
“He does it to mess with me,” Pozner says. “It’s a taunt.” He alerted Godaddy, which hosts the site, that Halbig was violating its terms of service. The photos have since been removed.

To further his cause, Pozner has created an organization, called the HONR Network, whose goal is to “bring awareness to Hoaxer activity” and “prosecute those who wittingly and publicly defame, harass, and emotionally abuse the victims of high profile tragedies.” Since there is no criminal law that protects families like Pozner’s from the darker impulses of the Internet, he and his volunteers — folks he met virtually, when he began debunking — perform a slow and painful task. Whenever a video or a screed appears online attacking the victims of a horrible event, they alert venues like YouTube that their rules have been broken. The victories have been small. Though they’ve removed hundreds of links from the Internet, there are countless more like them.
“I know that the more garbage that is out there, the more it ages over time, the more the myth becomes accepted as a disgusting historical fact that tries to dismiss the existence of my child,” says Pozner. “I mean, damn it, his life had value. He existed. He was real. How dare they.”
In November, the HONR Network released an ebook on Halbig, called “The Hoax of a Lifetime.” The volume runs more than 100 pages, and digs deeply into his past. One of the things the group reports is that it could find no evidence that Halbig ever worked on an official investigation related to Columbine. But that is not the most interesting revelation. It seems Halbig’s tenure as director of security of Seminole County schools was rather unremarkable, save for one particular incident: in 1997, a student stole his gun. He expressed embarrassment to the Orlando Sentinel. “I mean, gosh, I’m the director of security,” he said.
Halbig, for his part, insists he’s just an investigator with good intentions.
“I’m not a conspiracy theorist,” he assured me. “I don’t even know what a hoaxer is.”
[Photos courtesy of Lenny Pozner]
 
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A lot of truthers live in a fantasy world, an under world of sorts. A sort of denial exists in that they can't believe the world is doing what it is doing. They are caught up in imagery based on freemasonry.

A blue shirt might denote to them a good guy. They see the guy is not a good guy, thus it is not a blue shirt - even tho the shirt is blue. Likewise they see the false reality of many lifestyles they know are pretense - thus such "life" does not exist, they are not real, this never happened. Watch a few truther videos and this becomes evident - watch too many and they may draw you into their twisted, albeit true in a sort of way mindset.

I'd prefer to see more fact based, evidence based revelations. For example the money chain from the Connecticut (and New York) governments, government schools to the GE-LIBOR scandal to the personal finances of those involved. Ties to FEMA Exercises, Ties to Hollywood and The Dark Knight Rises movie theater shooting ...
 

chootchooot

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Re: What Kind of Person Calls a Mass Shooting a Hoax?

Note: there were a couple of curse words I found in this article and I removed them.


What Kind of Person Calls a Mass Shooting a Hoax?
https://www.thetrace.org/2015/12/sandy-hook-mass-shooting-hoaxers/





Sandy Hook father Lenny Pozner is one of too many parents painfully familiar with the answer. Dogged by a relentless conspiracy theorist, he's spent the past three years fighting to protect the honor of his murdered son.

by Mike Spies
· @mikespiesnyc
·December 11, 2015

A year and a half after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, Lenny Pozner called to set up a meeting with Wolfgang Halbig. The 68-year-old security consultant was the de facto leader of a community of conspiracy theorists, known as hoaxers, who claimed that the shooting had been staged by the government. To the hoaxers, the 26 victims — one of whom was Pozner’s six-year-old son, Noah — were fictional characters.
Lenny Pozner in an undated photo with his son, Noah.

It was May 28, 2014, and Pozner, an IT consultant, was in Florida on business. He hoped to sit down with Halbig at a coffee shop near his home in Orlando, Florida. He wanted to talk to him face-to-face about Noah, who was his only son and never far from his mind. On December 14, 2012, the day of the shooting, Pozner had been the one to drop Noah off at school. As they drove, they listened to “Gangnam Style,” Noah’s favorite song. When they arrived, Pozner said, “Have a fun day,” and watched as his child headed inside, fiddling with his backpack and brown jacket.
Ever since his son’s death, Pozner had been dealing with the hoaxers. It was his habit to regularly post photos of Noah, a happy boy with soft blue eyes and a wide smile, on his Google Plus page. He would put up pictures of Noah hugging his twin sister, or playing on the beach, or showing off the tooth he lost less than two weeks before he was murdered. The hoaxers would see these images and offer comments: “Where’s Noah going to die next?” read one. Another commenter, seemingly believing that Pozner had been recruited to help perpetuate the myth of the shooting, asked, “How much do you get paid?”


Pozner was one of the rare Sandy Hook parents who confronted those who questioned his child’s murder. In response to their comments, he posted online his son’s birth and death certificates. He shared the medical examiner’s report and one of Noah’s report cards. The hoaxers said the records were counterfeits.
Pozner remained undaunted. He thought that perhaps if he could show Halbig the documents in person, he and the rest of the hoaxers might at last relent. “I wanted to be as transparent as possible,” Pozner says. “I thought keeping the documents private would only feed the conspiracy.”
When Pozner did not receive a reply from Halbig, he contacted Kelley Watt, one of the more aggressive hoaxers who showed up on his Google Plus page. Watt wrote back on Halbig’s behalf. “Wolfgang does not wish to speak with you,” her note said, “unless you exhume Noah’s body and prove to the world you lost your son.”
Giving up on a meeting with Halbig, Pozner looked to engage in some sort of dialogue with the people who, around this time, made him their chief target. (One video montage that started making the rounds showed images of Noah set to a soundtrack of pornographic sounds.) In June 2014, Pozner accepted an invitation to join a private Facebook group called Sandy Hook Hoax. He told its members that he was willing to answer their questions. “I think I lasted all of eight minutes,” he recalls. One participant said, “Man, I’m gonna have to coach you up if you wanna go on TV and make money Lenny.” Another typical attacker proclaimed, “F*** your fake family, you piece of s***.”
Pozner eventually realized that, for Halbig and his brethren, this was a game without end. His efforts to combat them became a mission. “I’m going to have to protect Noah’s honor for the rest of my life,” he says.

Every modern atrocity or disaster has its attendant conspiracy theories. Their shared thesis is that governments, needing a way to keep the populace in fear, orchestrate mock calamities, using the tools of the state to cover their tracks. Within 24 hours of the recent mass shooting in San Bernardino, California, videos claiming the event was “staged” surfaced on YouTube and received thousands of clicks.
It was the same in 2007, after a senior at Virginia Tech killed 32 people and wounded 17 others in the worst mass shooting in U.S. history. The record death toll fed rumors that “black ops” must have been behind the incident. Five years later, in the wake of an attack on a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, Alex Jones, who runs the popular conspiracy site InfoWars, implied that the gunman was in cahoots with the government, pointing listeners to his graduate student work at a “government-funded neuroscience program,” not mentioning the fact that, like most grad programs, it receives plenty of private funding as well. In one of the darker ironies America has recently produced, the sheriff investigating the October mass shooting at Oregon’s Umpqua Community College was found to have shared mass shooting conspiracy theories on Facebook.
Yet even amid this terrible canon, the conspiracy theories that sprang up after Sandy Hook have been exceptional. Less than a month after the shooting, a video called “The Sandy Hook Shooting — Fully Exposed” had received 10 million views on YouTube. Driving some of these hoaxers, in part, was a panic over new firearms restrictions. An infamous conspiracy theorist named James Fetzer called the Newtown attack a “FEMA drill to promote gun control.” The National Rifle Association laid the groundwork for such sentiments. In February 2012, Wayne LaPierre, the group’s executive vice president, described then-first-term President Obama’s hidden agenda: “Get re-elected and, with no more elections to worry about…erase the Second Amendment from the Bill of Rights and excise it from the U.S. Constitution.”
In the wake of the massacre, Halbig started the website sandyhookjustice.com. He touted his credentials as a former security director for schools in Seminole County, Florida, and claimed he worked on the official investigation into the mass shooting at Columbine High School in 1999. He said his knowledge of security protocols and procedures provided him with a singular ability to analyze what happened that day in Newtown, and highlight what he believed to be the government’s many lies. Other hoaxers rallied around Halbig’s alleged resume, and donated tens of thousands of dollars to his GoFundMe account. On his show, Alex Jones championed him as a “leading expert” on Sandy Hook.
To press their case, hoaxers designated themselves experts on the physiology of grieving. The parents didn’t appear sad enough in interviews, they argued; therefore, they could not possibly have lost children.
Halbig became known for asking a set of 16 questions that he argued proved the event was staged, carried out by “crisis actors,” whom the government pays to pose as victims during emergency preparedness drills. Halbig claimed the authorities could not provide him with answers that, in fact, were available to the public in the Connecticut State Police report on the shooting. For instance, he wanted to know why paramedics and EMTs weren’t allowed to enter the school (they were), and why helicopters weren’t used to transport victims to the hospital (with the exception of four wounded individuals, who were taken by ambulance, the rest were dead). Supplied with those facts, he and the hoaxers insisted they had to be fiction, given their source. The whole point, after all, is that the government can never be trusted.
Frustrated by their inability to rattle government officials, Hoaxers began attacking the families of victims, accusing them of being “treasonous” government operatives. To press their case, they designated themselves authorities on the physiology of grieving. The parents didn’t appear sad enough in interviews, they argued; therefore, they could not possibly have lost children. “They aren’t behaving the way human beings would act,” conspiracy theorist Jay Weidner said on his radio show. Hoaxers also latched onto time-stamping errors on certain victims’ memorial pages, which, due to a common Google bug, made it seem like they were set up the before the massacre. The hoaxers found a photo of a little girl taken after the shooting. Mistaking its subject for her dead sister, they held it up as proof that the victim was still alive.
The conspiracy movement’s personal attacks show no sign of abating. Early this November, a 32-year-old man was arrested for accosting the sisters of Vicki Soto, a slain teacher, at a Newtown charity event; he wanted to ask them whether a family photo of theirs had been photoshopped.

For the hoaxers, no private moment has been sacred. At one point, they vigorously picked over the details of Noah’s funeral. Prior to the ceremony, the family opened Noah’s casket for a private viewing, which was reported in the news. It’s not an unusual custom for Jewish families, but hoaxers alleged it was against the laws of the religion, which somehow helped substantiate their claim that Noah wasn’t real.
It was around this time that Pozner began to fight back. Halbig’s sandyhookjustice.com had by then drawn a benificent counterbalance, blogs like sandyhookfacts.com, devoted to debunking every crackpot claim put forward by the hoaxers, whom they referred to as “conspiratards.” Pozner began to work with the blogs’ authors, who had no connection to Newtown or its residents, beyond a shared disgust with Halbig’s campaign. “This became my catharsis, my path to healing,” Pozner says. “It was how I was getting the pain out of me.”
“I know that the more garbage that is out there, the more it ages over time, the more the myth becomes accepted as a disgusting historical fact that tries to dismiss the existence of my child,” says Pozner. “I mean, damn it, his life had value. He existed. He was real. How dare they.”
Pozner also began filing police reports against his harassers. The reports would never go anywhere, but Pozner didn’t care. He put the documents online. “So the hoaxers could see what I was doing,” he says. Often, it was enough to cause people to take down the offensive content in question.
During the summer of 2014, two months after Pozner had suggested they meet in Florida, he filed a complaint against Halbig with the Florida Attorney General. “I wanted the AG to know he was a fraud,” Pozner says. The complaint read, “Mister Halbig is soliciting donation from people to fund his uncovering the Hoax at Sandy Hook… As a parent of a child that was murdered on 12-14-12 in Sandy Hook Elementary school, I feel his scam is just plain wrong.”
After Halbig learned of the complaint, he tried calling Pozner several times, leaving messages on his voicemail. He sounded alarmed, and said it was “urgent” that they speak. Halbig denies reaching out, but Pozner saved the voicemails and phone records from that period. I asked Halbig about the discrepancy. “That’s very strange,” he told me. “Never called him in my life.”
On December 16, 2014, shortly after the two-year anniversary of Newtown, Taliban gunmen opened fire at a school in Peshawar, Pakistan, killing 141 people. Soon after, a poster of Noah inexplicably appeared at a vigil there. “I assume it was done out of solidarity,” Pozner says.
Halbig and the hoaxers made much of this development. They began to sarcastically refer to Noah as the boy who was “killed twice.” Halbig splashed the pictures all over sandyhookjustice.com. Then, in early 2015, he escalated his attacks, posting the Attorney General complaint on his website. The complaint contained all of Pozner’s contact information.
“So I sued him in September,” Pozner says.
The injunction required Halbig to remove the complaint from the Internet. Instead, Halbig took down his entire website. Pozner was pleased with the result, until a month later, when Halbig launched a new website, where he resumed what he calls his “investigation.” Last week, Halbig used the site to recirculate photos of Noah that had previously appeared online.
“He does it to mess with me,” Pozner says. “It’s a taunt.” He alerted Godaddy, which hosts the site, that Halbig was violating its terms of service. The photos have since been removed.

To further his cause, Pozner has created an organization, called the HONR Network, whose goal is to “bring awareness to Hoaxer activity” and “prosecute those who wittingly and publicly defame, harass, and emotionally abuse the victims of high profile tragedies.” Since there is no criminal law that protects families like Pozner’s from the darker impulses of the Internet, he and his volunteers — folks he met virtually, when he began debunking — perform a slow and painful task. Whenever a video or a screed appears online attacking the victims of a horrible event, they alert venues like YouTube that their rules have been broken. The victories have been small. Though they’ve removed hundreds of links from the Internet, there are countless more like them.
“I know that the more garbage that is out there, the more it ages over time, the more the myth becomes accepted as a disgusting historical fact that tries to dismiss the existence of my child,” says Pozner. “I mean, damn it, his life had value. He existed. He was real. How dare they.”
In November, the HONR Network released an ebook on Halbig, called “The Hoax of a Lifetime.” The volume runs more than 100 pages, and digs deeply into his past. One of the things the group reports is that it could find no evidence that Halbig ever worked on an official investigation related to Columbine. But that is not the most interesting revelation. It seems Halbig’s tenure as director of security of Seminole County schools was rather unremarkable, save for one particular incident: in 1997, a student stole his gun. He expressed embarrassment to the Orlando Sentinel. “I mean, gosh, I’m the director of security,” he said.
Halbig, for his part, insists he’s just an investigator with good intentions.
“I’m not a conspiracy theorist,” he assured me. “I don’t even know what a hoaxer is.”
[Photos courtesy of Lenny Pozner]






Not gona waste my time reading your copy and paste spam you get from other sites when you are to lazy to even read it yourself. So I guess you give up, so you admit the FBI is withholding information and you still can't find one single pic of anyone with a single drop of blood on their clothes and you still believe this was our bloodiest school shooting that out nation has ever seen... hmmmm... Doesnt matter how many of these posers you show that look like they have a crying face yet no real tears stream down their face.
 
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Re: What Kind of Person Calls a Mass Shooting a Hoax?

Not gona waste my time reading your copy and paste spam you get from other sites when you are to lazy to even read it yourself. So I guess you give up, so you admit the FBI is withholding information and you still can't find one single pic of anyone with a single drop of blood on their clothes and you still believe this was our bloodiest school shooting that out nation has ever seen... hmmmm... Doesnt matter how many of these posers you show that look like they have a crying face yet no real tears stream down their face.
You are getting old and boring.
 
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chootchooot

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Re: What Kind of Person Calls a Mass Shooting a Hoax?

you are a Warrior for Christ eh? yet you have the maturity of a 12 year old with the random insult. Go troll somewhere else.
 

chootchooot

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Re: What Kind of Person Calls a Mass Shooting a Hoax?

You are getting old and boring.


You and sinnerman must be best friends or maybe this is sinnermans other cc account. When all else fails just throw insults on a Christian web site? That's all you two seem to know how to do.
 
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This is just the tip of the iceberg of what Satan has all of you believing.