Salvation, How do I find it?

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Beckworth

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Thank you, you see me as lawless, I am not lawless, I uphold Law as good for me, nor am I under Law. Jesus freed us from under Law on that cross for us all to be freed from under Law. Under Law not one person could ever do it perfectly, Read Galatians all of it, thank you
I agree to be water Baptized, yet it is not a law to have to get water Baptized, it is a willingness between God and that person personally. I as Paul am not here to water Baptize or fight.
So sorry you do not see that yet. And I am not angry, I believe in the Love of God in Love and compassion, God wanting mercy over sacrifices of doing Law that makes flesh others better than others when one can't do it and others can as in Luke 18:9-14 tells me of. that scripoture there was before the cross, today we are after the cross
Where the Old Law is not in place.
Thank you though, Love you in the same love and mercy given me from the cross of Jesus to all in mercy to all

You are right. We are not under the Old Jewush jaw if that is what you mean. But Hebrews 7 says that God CHANGED the law. We still are under law—not the old law of the Jews—but the NEW law of Christ. Yes, Jesus nailed that old law to His cross. Col.2:14. The old law was a law of bondage according to Galations and Christ’s new law sets us free from that. If this is what you meant then we are in agreement. We may still disagree on baptism, if you believe it is not a commandment of Christ. I believe Mark 16:16 proves that it is. ( along with what Peter said in Acts 2:38 and 1 Peter 3:21)
 
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You are right. We are not under the Old Jewush jaw if that is what you mean. But Hebrews 7 says that God CHANGED the law. We still are under law—not the old law of the Jews—but the NEW law of Christ. Yes, Jesus nailed that old law to His cross. Col.2:14. The old law was a law of bondage according to Galations and Christ’s new law sets us free from that. If this is what you meant then we are in agreement. We may still disagree on baptism, if you believe it is not a commandment of Christ. I believe Mark 16:16 proves that it is. ( along with what Peter said in Acts 2:38 and 1 Peter 3:21)
yes, thank you and it is now a new being (Born again) when uphold the Law willing to do in love and mercy given us to be willing in it to do that between God and any person that believes God personally or not (free choice) above everything else, to me at least.
No more stress, actually much less stress, it is now rest for us the kids to rest in and be thankful daily, and begin to learn this new from Father in the Holy Spirit given us to do willingly, for me at least, where being freed has rested, resting me in it, every minute of every day, is the call I have been being taught as of Hebrews 4 to rest and quit saying to others they have do or else, attitude of the fist born flesh nature in caring that messes it up to me at least I see that now.
God took that away, the literal Law (Have to) for us to agree in thanksgiving and praise, then do it willingly and not for any self gain ever for me at least. God gives all our needs to see to act our wages and not our thoughts (taking all thought captive), at least for me thanks for the reply. As I still unfortunately to this day do not always do things correctly, being in unredeemed flesh that I reckon dead now, learning this daily. that is where my dependency relies on Father and Son as Won (One) for us all on that cross, first to be reconciled, then to get given the new life in his risen Life to lead us in love and mercy given us to all, and me to be available still in process, I am in process still, as I think we all are in different stages with not one person better than another ever. God sees no one better than the other one, no respect of persons, we are the same all of us as God even said in Genesis 5, he called female and male both Adam Equaled God sees us as new in risen Son forms to become in love and mercy to God above it all and then our neighbor as well. Yes to love even that enemy that stole from me even that spouse that went out on me yes All
Feed my Sheep he said to Peter three times after he said three times, Peter do you love me? Yes Lord you know I do, then feed my sheep
Feed them truth, feed them the food you do not eat humanly. As he had said priorly to them =], when they said to him as they were eating hey Jesus sit down and eat. He replied I have food you do not yet know of, he ate it was not physically it was spiritually above any human desire ever.
Wow is me as I see we all are still in a learning process, all of us
Hebrews 5:12-6:3
Thanks
 
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Matthew 19:16-17
16 Just then a man came up to YHWH(Jesus) and inquired, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to obtain eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask Me about what is good?” YHWH(Jesus) replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.
 
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Matthew 19:16-17
16 Just then a man came up to YHWH(Jesus) and inquired, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to obtain eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask Me about what is good?” YHWH(Jesus) replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.
The command of true Love of Father 1 Cor 13:4-7
But under having to do that I see I can't
Trust me God replied I will do that through you once you decide to believe me

Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

I honestly think Jesus was speaking of his going to that cross to reconcile us all as forgiven. Death frist, for that to be done, under Law
then the resurrection where new life resides for us all to get given that free of charge, thank you Father
So be it
 

Blade

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Salvation and how do I find it. Well I didn't no one did. He found us.

"Believing in Jesus Christ is essential, but as we see with the demons, just believing is not enough"

That is not what James said. "You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!"

Context... pffft... These people were orthodox in doctrine. They believed there is one God as opposed to the polytheism of pagans. Orthodox Jewish readers of this epistle (guessing) had very likely reaffirmed Deuteronomy 6:4 every morning and evening. Gentiles among the reads could have been influenced by their Jewish friends. James here did not criticize the belief in monotheism he commended the readers for it when he said "you do well". What James criticized was the mear intellectual assent.. as in mind only without a commensurate change of life style.

So the demons also believe and tremble this illustrates the tragic result of correct belief with out a proper alignment of life with that belief. Hmm the demons have a correct belief about God but do not change their conduct. They recognized Jesus as the holy one of God but trembled "have you come to torment us before our time". Though this was not about salvation since that is only for man.

What did James say before this and after? Faith without works is dead. My faith and salvation, is not determined by the beliefs of others, but rather by my own relationship with Christ. Fact anyone that just calls on the name of the lord shall be saved.
 

Beckworth

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Salvation and how do I find it. Well I didn't no one did. He found us.

"Believing in Jesus Christ is essential, but as we see with the demons, just believing is not enough"

That is not what James said. "You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!"

Context... pffft... These people were orthodox in doctrine. They believed there is one God as opposed to the polytheism of pagans. Orthodox Jewish readers of this epistle (guessing) had very likely reaffirmed Deuteronomy 6:4 every morning and evening. Gentiles among the reads could have been influenced by their Jewish friends. James here did not criticize the belief in monotheism he commended the readers for it when he said "you do well". What James criticized was the mear intellectual assent.. as in mind only without a commensurate change of life style.

So the demons also believe and tremble this illustrates the tragic result of correct belief with out a proper alignment of life with that belief. Hmm the demons have a correct belief about God but do not change their conduct. They recognized Jesus as the holy one of God but trembled "have you come to torment us before our time". Though this was not about salvation since that is only for man.

What did James say before this and after? Faith without works is dead. My faith and salvation, is not determined by the beliefs of others, but rather by my own relationship with Christ. Fact anyone that just calls on the name of the lord shall be saved.



A “change of lifestyle” and a “change of conduct” is REPENTANCE. Baker’s Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology uses these words, “ Turning away from sin”, and “Both motive and CONDUCT are to be radically CHANGED.” So you are saying the thing that makes the faith of the demons in James 2 not acceptable is because they have not REPENTED, “changed their lifestyle or conduct.” But that only proves that faith only will not save you. Yes, repentance is necessary to be saved, I agree wholeheartedly with you on that, but that denies and disproves your last statement that “anyone who just calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” That’s faith without repentance. that is what James is saying—-faith only, without repentance will not save; and if it’s faith WITH REPENTANCE then it’s not “faith only.” The demons have faith but not repentance. If you believe in “faith alone”. That means NOTHING ELSE saves you—only faith alone— then you have the same kind of faith as the demons. You can’t have it both ways. Faith and repentance are two entirely different things. They are not the same thing. So you can believe but refuse to repent. Just because you believe does not necessarily mean you have repented.

Your last statement, anyone that “just calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” is denied by Jesus Himself in Matthew 7 when He SAYS, “NOT EVERYONE WHO SAYS TO ME LORD, LORD SHALL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. That says, that NOT everyone who just calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Jesus says that statement is NOT TRUE. Do you know why it is not true? Because that is “faith only” and it leaves out repentance and confession Roman’s 10:10 which God says is also necessary to salvation as well as baptism which Peter says saves us 1 Peter 3:21 and Jesus said the same thing in Mark 16:16. All of these scriptures including Matthew 7:21 are in harmony with what James says in James 2:24. Faith only does not save anyone.

Jesus tells you what saves a person in verse 21 of Matthew7– “HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN. All you have to do to be saved is obey what God tells you to do. That’s “doing His will.” It’s not hard and it’s simple. The “Sinner’s prayer” is not in His will—ANYWHERE!! He has not told anyone to pray a prayer to be saved. Read your Bible! What has God told us in His “will” to do to be saved? Well, here are some verses—-

“HE THAT BELIEVES AND IS BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED.” Mark 16:16. That’s something He has told us in His will. Do you believe what Jesus said?

“REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED …for the forgiveness of sins…..” Acts 2:38. That’s what He has told us to do in His will. Do you believe this?

“WITH THE MOUTH CONFESSION IS MADE UNTO SALVATION.” Romans 10:10. That’s what He tells us to do in His will. Do you believe this?

I know you believe in faith, but if you believe what God says in His Will about repentance, confession, and baptism then you can’t possibly believe that faith alone saves anyone. And, contrary, if you believe that faith alone, or faith only saves a person, then you don’t believe what God says in his Will about repentance, confession, and baptism. You then become an “unbeliever” in God’s word; your faith us like the demons in James 2, and God says you will not enter the kingdom of heaven Matthew 7:21..
 
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What did James say before this and after? Faith without works is dead. My faith and salvation, is not determined by the beliefs of others, but rather by my own relationship with Christ. Fact anyone that just calls on the name of the lord shall be saved.
Shall be baptized by God Father in Spirit and Truth Daddy Holy Spirit given you to see to do it by Faith that produces the done work of God through Son that is risen through you, for you.
God does it, did it and carries it on in us all that do believe God between God and them everything else is a distraction from the truth
Philippians 1:6
being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

So be thankful and continue in trust of Col. 1:21-23 thank you. It is not of human flesh to do the work it is of God Father's done work of Son that is risen as proof, the way, the truth the new life thank you