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Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted?
In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished!
(Galatians 5:11)
In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished!
(Galatians 5:11)
@SUNDOWNSAM in your opinion what makes the cross offensive to the circumcision?
does 'circumcision' here in Galatians 5:11 carry the same connotation/implication that it does in 5:2-6 ?
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I know you are asking SDS, but if I were to venture a guess, it would be that their traditions and practices are brought to a close and the unclean gentiles are now made clean with out their traditions and practices.
Good point. They were not made clean by ceremonial laws. Can't worship shadows as ceremonial laws .
As shadows they preached the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that followed..."It is finished" as the manner of time the old testament saints looked forward to the same we look back to.
I think we can see that principle faith the unseen of preaching the gospel beforehand using shadows of the unseen in 1 Peter1
Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter1: 8-10
The reformation had come. The temple made with human hands standing in the Holy place of the unseen glory of the father was rendered useless when the veil was torn from the top to the bottom. Opening up the way to all nations of faith. The fulfilment of Joel.
Prophets prophesying in the tongues of all nations. The new tongue the gospel. Men a and woman alike having the power of the gospel the incorruptible seed by which men are born again after.
The show or display of circumcision was used to represent the Son of man, Jesus. The first born as our bloody husband. according to the parable as the foundation of the shadow. Exodus 4
It has been fulfilled. Jesus of his own corrupted flesh in John 6 says my flesh profits for nothing, zero. The one time demonstration of the temporal things seen, the Son of man and the unseen eternal father in heaven. . working together as one to represent the government of Love as the peace that surpasses human understanding. But rather a supernatural understanding of God who works in us as Emanuel to both will and perform His good pleasure, Interestingly . He says do so without murmuring . Sort of like Nike commercials . .".Just do it". God is not a man as us. Rather we walk by faith the eternal not seen.
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A covenant is a binding agreement. God made a covenant with Abraham (Genesis 17) it was an everlasting covenant that he made with Abraham which is why the Jews still get circumcised and even Yeshua was circumcised. Circumcision had to do with the identification of the covenant God made with Abraham and had nothing to do with Salvation, which is why it profited nothing when it comes to Salvation.
The Apostle Paul understood that the covenant of circumcision was an everlasting covenant that God made with Abraham and his seeds. Timothy having a Greek father was not circumcised, but Paul encourages him to get circumcised to take Timothy with him, why? Probably because the Jews knowing his father was Greek would not have hearkened to someone who was not circumcised and by them seeing he was circumcised it would open their eyes that Salvation was for both Jews and Gentiles, for the circumcision and uncircumcision, or maybe to provoke the Jews to Jealousy; if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them (Romans 11:14)
According to Acts 15, certain men were teaching that except one be circumcised after the manner of Moses, they cannot be saved and the Apostle Paul was conveying in Galatians that salvation had nothing to do with circumcision or uncircumcision, but all to do with believing in Yeshua.
Even though the Apostle Paul was strongly condemning the concept that one must be circumcised in order to be saved, from Galatians 5:11 it appears as if they were accusing him of teaching circumcision which is why he asked if that was true why am I being persecuted?
so what makes the cross an offense to the circumcision?
do you agree that Galatians 5:1-6 is exactly the same context as Galatians 5:11, in fact the logical basis of what follows, so that what the Author means about circumcision in vv. 1-6 is exactly & directly applicable to what is said about it in v. 11?
do you agree that in vv. 1-6 'circumcision' and 'the circumcision' is portrayed as interchangeably equal with obligation to keep the law, justification before God on the basis of keeping the law, and with bondage to slavery?
do you agree that in these same words living in the grace of Christ is contrasted with those former things, being equated with freedom, with true righteousness, and with faith expressing itself through love?
do you think these sets of congruencies and inverses given in the very same paragraphs as Galatians 5:11 have anything to do with explaining what that verse calls "the offense of the cross"?
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Where in the Scriptures does it say that Yeshua's flesh was corruptible or is that something that you fabricated by your own understanding? If you believe that Yeshua's flesh was corruptible then I will say you do not know the Son of God. That is a blasphemous statement.
what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where He was before!
(John 6:62)
He ascended bodily -- and will return, bodily -- they will see His scars and know Whom it is they pierced. not because of the body, but because of the Spirit. however not without the body, even as His own flesh 'did not see corruption' ((Psalm 16:10, Acts 13:35)) but He bodily raised. if we are found in Him, so shall we also be bodily raised to life.
so, in that respect i agree with Sam in re: 'Christ's flesh' ≠ corrupted. tho i also agree with you in much of what you said
I don’t really care who you’re calling a liar, but that is slander unless you also show the evidence.
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Let me safely try to word it... though the cross makes the statement that the ceremonial law is of no effect, remember that with the Jews circumcision was an everlasting covenant nothing to do with Salvation so that could not be removed, God does not break his covenants, same with some feast, they were given to be held throughout all generations, and the Sabbath was part of the Ten Commandments which cannot be removed. Now, I am talking about the Jews not the Gentile, but remember that Paul was talking mainly to Gentile believers. I would say this that if Gentile believers are going to accept the Ten Commandment, they cannot remove the Sabbath, it was made for man.
In what I previously wrote what do you think on your 4 questions? I like to hear what you have to say and please be brief. Believe me, I weigh everything a person says, study it through the Scripture and my eyes are gone and my mind a little weary, but I will answer them tomorrow, but I like to know why you think after what I wrote.
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Locoponydirtman
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It clear to see that Garee was meaning that Christ gave no value to flesh, and in the end his flesh was battered and beaten and pierced, and murdered. Not that Jesus committed any sin to corrupt himself.
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As I stated, I did not have to provide the evidence he saw it and denied it, but do you think if I care if you do not care? I concluded that you are a narcissistic person, so don't bother responding to any of my post. GROW UP! If you want to discuss a topic weigh a view fairly and you need not to try t
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As I stated, I did not have to provide the evidence he saw it and denied it, but do you think if I care if you do not care? I concluded that you are a narcissistic person, so don't bother responding to any of my post. GROW UP! If you want to discuss a topic weigh a view fairly and do not assume that the other person is wrong. One learns together when the topic is truly being weighed by both person.
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Let me clear something, the Sabbath and circumcision were not ceremonial laws, but it appears that they were making it. The cross was making a statement that circumcision had nothing to do with Salvation.
Take your own advice. If you can't sort out your attitude, you need to stop responding. Yelling at me like a five-year-old would isn't going to get you what you want. As for your slander, it's pathetic. You know nothing about me, and your assumptions and accusations are laughably off the mark. Clean up your attitude and start acting like the Christian you claim to be.
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He needs to make that correction because in the context he wrote it does not appear the way you say it. Anyone will agree that it was a declaration he made.
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I did not slander you that is the word that is the word you use for people to have sympathy for you, but form the way you write in my opinion you appear to be a narcissistic person. You are correct that I know nothing about you, but the way you respond tells me all about you, so you can call it laughable.
About being a Christian that is exactly say when they want to be looked upon as the innocent one. It is okay to disagree with a view and it is important to weigh a view fairly which you appear not to do.
Question, was it wrong for me to tell garee that he made a blasphemous statement by saying that Yeshua's flesh was corrupted? If he did not mean it that way then he needs to clear it and it is not clear yet, and he appears to be using John 6:63 to conclude that ignominious statement. To my recollection one guy disagree with him as well, why others are not correcting that false statement of his?
A while back, using the Scriptures I refuted a statement made buy a Hebrew root movement teachers, many came out to defend him, I called them junk yard dogs because that what does do just come out and defend. One of the guys could not sleep that night and apologize and I told him I do not look for apologies, I just put everything on the table and get attack. To make a long story short, we became good friends and I learned much from him as well. Do you know whine he thanked me? Because as a believer and follower (I do not use the word christian because everyone say they are christians) he was leaning toward their doctrines and we skype about 3 times a week and next year I will be visiting him and his family who I got to know via skype.
You have a weird understanding of "slander".
Disagreement doesn't require you to make personal comments about other people. Focus on the issues.
Many people, including me, have addressed Garee's ideas about corruption in other threads. Most people don't even bother reading his posts.