sabbath

[Blik]

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Did any jots or tittles pass from the law? Are Jews still sacrificing animals for forgiveness of sins (atonement)?

If not, then that would definitely be some jots and tittles.


If you don't believe what the Lord Jesus has said then you are closing your eyes and your ears to the SOLUTION of the problem of mens sin.


I remember when my son was 2yrs old I would ask him if he wanted help with things. He would say "No, me do it". And then continue to struggle.

Seems to be the same situation that our Father in Heaven is in. He says "Let me help". Too many people are still saying "No, me do it".

Well, gramps, you sit in your corner telling the Lord you will not lift one finger for Him, not feed His lambs, not be kind, no work and let the Christians alone.

 

[Dino246]

Well, gramps, you sit in your corner telling the Lord you will not lift one finger for Him, not feed His lambs, not be kind, no work and let the Christians alone.

Your response to Grandpa is both insulting and irrelevant to his post.

You consistently ignore what others actually write, and accuse them of writing things that they did not write.

Why do you do this? Are you really just here to argue and stir the pot?

 

[stillness]

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Did any jots or tittles pass from the law? Are Jews still sacrificing animals for forgiveness of sins (atonement)?

If not, then that would definitely be some jots and tittles.


If you don't believe what the Lord Jesus has said then you are closing your eyes and your ears to the SOLUTION of the problem of mens sin.


I remember when my son was 2yrs old I would ask him if he wanted help with things. He would say "No, me do it". And then continue to struggle.

Seems to be the same situation that our Father in Heaven is in. He says "Let me help". Too many people are still saying "No, me do it".

Do you not know, have you not heard: that that the law was intended to kill us. "It is apointed for man once to die and then comes the judgment." After seperation from God comes the Judgment. Will we obey the call of Jesus. "Come to me all you that labour and are heavy laden and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn of Me, for I am meek (to be taimed by God as a friend) and humble in heart and you will find rest for your souls.

Thankfully I am coming to a place of rest from trying to Help. "There remains a rest for the people of God so that those who have entered into rest have ceased from their work as God did from His."
Four years ago, the Lord told me: I dont need your help.
He did not need to say, but you need my help continually. lol I figured that out. Around that same time He told me: Do the work of an evangelist. That surprized me, the rest did not surprise me: Fear not I Am with you. And: Pray for the Anointing. This has not been fulfilled and requires our whole heart. I retire in the comimg year and hope to find rest in God, and work from a place of rest on the Sabath, as Jesus did and turned everyone world upside down. May the wind of the Holy Spirit be in our sails. May our sails be compleatly open to His service and carry us into the Day everlasting.
There is no mention of an ending of the Day God rested in Genesis. All the other days have ending and begining. But The last Day is defimed in Revelation as the Resurection of those who are blessed and Holy, The thousand year reign. It has been almost six thousans years since the fall of man. Almost two thousand years sice Jesus said (when He was about thirty years of age): "Today, and tomorow, I heal the sick and cast out devils, and the third day I shall be berfected." The same meaning as "Destroy this temple and I will raise it up in tree days." Only for two of those tree days was Jesus seperated from His body. In the garden of Getsameny on thursday evening, The cup of suffering was on Jesus, and He was seperated from His disciples. Jesus laiter said "This is the hour and power of darkness." (Those who follow Him in His suffering during the time of seperation and overcome the world by His Grace will rule with Him for a thousand years. This is the day of rest.
From Thursday evening when the cup of suffering was placed on Him to Friday afternoon, jesus was in agony and said "Father why have you forsaken Me." Friday evening to sathurday morning, and sathurday evining to sunday morning are the two days seperated from His Body. We are within 10 to 15 year of the end of the second day of rebuilding of His temple.
"And the third day I shall be perfected"
Did you know that "We are labourers together with God" in the rebuilding of His Temple. "Now we are the body of Christ.

 

[Blik]

Your response to Grandpa is both insulting and irrelevant to his post.

You consistently ignore what others actually write, and accuse them of writing things that they did not write.

Why do you do this? Are you really just here to argue and stir the pot?

I agree, it was not even a Christian response. I do, however, get sick and tired of reading how teerrriiibbble it is to work for the Lord.

And you could clean up your act a lot, also. Your accusations get pretty consistent, too.

 

[Dino246]

I agree, it was not even a Christian response. I do, however, get sick and tired of reading how teerrriiibbble it is to work for the Lord.

That may be, but Grandpa's post had nothing to do with that.

And you could clean up your act a lot, also. Your accusations get pretty consistent, too.

While that is possible, your criticism would be a whole lot more meaningful if offered in response to a "consistent accusation" of mine.

 

[Grandpa]

The ceremonial laws did die when Jesus said it is finished ,The time of reformation has come, the veil was rent. Rendering that which was standing useless from the beginning a mere shadow .

It would seem the jots and tittles represent the letter of the law. It will continue to expose men as sinners till the last day .Then it as death will be tossed in the fiery judgment of God called a lake . Never to rise and corrupt a whole creation ever again

The letter of the law exposes men as sinners and as unbelievers in Christ.

If Jots and Tittles have fallen from the law then what does that mean, as to faith? It means ALL IS ALREADY FULFILLED. But men don't believe.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


You are not under the law but under Grace when you come to Christ. Christ doesn't allow you to replace Him with parts of your favorite traditions from the OT. You are either under ALL of the law, with all of its jots and tittles, or you have faith in Christ and you are under none of the law with no jots or tittles.


So when someone argues and says "yeah, some parts of the law have past, but these remain" it just shows unbelief, or non-understanding of what Christ has done for us and our faith in Him.

The law remains for those who have not come to Christ. For those who have, ALL is fulfilled. There is no halfway.

 

[Grandpa]

Well, gramps, you sit in your corner telling the Lord you will not lift one finger for Him, not feed His lambs, not be kind, no work and let the Christians alone.

If you are still working at the law you aren't doing Gods Will.

You are doing what you think is Gods Will. You are fulfilling your own guilt and regret.


In Christ is our rest. Rest for what? So we can be His Workmanship and Do His Will. Not so we can work at the imagination of what we think the law says.

Romans 8:3-8
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Yes, it does say that in respect to the moral laws. But not shadows as ceremonial laws. God does not give moral laws as parables.

look to the two different reasoning in both accounts. That ceremonial law is used as a parable comparing the rest to the 7 th day and the glorious moving them out of Egypt out of bondage on the first day .let there be light.

Exodus20: 11 for six days hath Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that [is] in them, and resteth in the seventh day; therefore hath Jehovah blessed the Sabbath-day, and doth sanctify it.

Deuteronomy 5: 15 and thou hast remembered that a servant thou hast been in the land of Egypt, and Jehovah thy God is bringing thee out thence by a strong hand, and by a stretched-out arm; therefore hath Jehovah thy God commanded thee to keep the day of the sabbath.

The Sabbath as ceremonial are temporal .Unlike like the moral laws that pertain to today as long as it is or under the Sun this creation .. This is any time (timeless) if we hear the voice of God and do not harden our heart in unbelief (no faith) we have entered His rest from our own work by mixing faith the unseen in what we do hear.

Hebrews 4:1-7 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)We may fear, then, lest a promise being left of entering into His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short, for we also are having good news proclaimed, even as they, but the word heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard, for we do enter into the rest -- we who did believe, as He said, `So I sware in My anger, If they shall enter into My rest -- ;' and yet the works were done from the foundation of the world,for He spake in a certain place concerning the seventh [day] thus: `And God did rest in the seventh day from all His works;'and in this [place] again, `If they shall enter into My rest -- ;'since then, it remaineth for certain to enter into it, and those who did first hear good news entered not in because of unbelief -- again He doth limit a certain day, `To-day,' (in David saying, after so long a time,) as it hath been said, `To-day, if His voice ye may hear, ye may not harden your hearts,'

The key. Study as to what being mixed with faith in those who heard means.,

Show me where in the Scriptures does it say that the Sabbath is done away with?

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Sorry to hear that you are leaving the site. I wish I'd gotten some more answers to my questions. I think your responses led to a misunderstanding.

They still have not deleted my account, you can ask.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

I think in your attempt to distance yourself from Christians, you worded your responses in a manner that suggested you are a Jew, and not a Christian. Your wording was very confusing.

Let me correct you, I do not distance myself from the Christians, I call them my brethren. I wrote a simple book titled "SEEK GOD" and I gave it to a messianic rabbi, I have not doubt he trashed it, he told me as he was reading he sees that I lean towards Christianity and the fact is yes because because there are thinks that fulfilled and I hold it different, like the Passover, Yeshua did it once and for all, so and though I will have the meal, my focus is on what Yeshua did on the cross once and for all. One of their tradition is opening the door and calling for Elijah to come, I make it clear that I am not looking for Elijah to come, I am looking for Yeshua to return. So, I lean toward Christianity. If you read my book, easy to understand and I made it that way, you will see that I lean toward Christianity.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

Let me correct you, I do not distance myself from the Christians, I call them my brethren. I wrote a simple book titled "SEEK GOD" and I gave it to a messianic rabbi, I have not doubt he trashed it, he told me as he was reading he sees that I lean towards Christianity and the fact is yes because because there are thinks that fulfilled and I hold it different, like the Passover, Yeshua did it once and for all, so and though I will have the meal, my focus is on what Yeshua did on the cross once and for all. One of their tradition is opening the door and calling for Elijah to come, I make it clear that I am not looking for Elijah to come, I am looking for Yeshua to return. So, I lean toward Christianity. If you read my book, easy to understand and I made it that way, you will see that I lean toward Christianity.

You can't lean toward Christianity...Jesus allows no neutrality.

Whatsoever.

But, if you're in the beginning stages of being drawn by the Holy Spirit, I can see that

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

They still have not deleted my account, you can ask.

I think you explained your position in the previous post.

I hope you come to faith dude

 

[Blik]

That may be, but Grandpa's post had nothing to do with that.


While that is possible, your criticism would be a whole lot more meaningful if offered in response to a "consistent accusation" of mine.

You are right, you consistently accuse rather than discuss what God wants of us. And so I had a temper, your comments on my temper tantrum is off base. Why not stick to your strange idea of what scripture says?

 

[Magenta]

I agree, it was not even a Christian response. I do, however, get sick and tired of reading how teerrriiibbble it is to work for the Lord.

And you could clean up your act a lot, also. Your accusations get pretty consistent, too.

I think it would be more honest to say that many Christians reject the notion that works save, since we are saved by Grace which is a work of God. I do not see any arguing against doing works which were prepared for us to do in advance. Those works do not save...

Personally I am grateful to those like Dino who are largely quite consistent in their refutations of error and falseness.

You are right, you consistently accuse rather than discuss what God wants of us. And so I had a temper, your comments on my temper tantrum is off base. Why not stick to your strange idea of what scripture says?

More false accusations from you.

 

[garee]

Show me where in the Scriptures does it say that the Sabbath is done away with?

Which kind of rest or using the Greek sabbath are you talking about? The one shown as a parable in the ten commandments as a shadow? Or the one the shadow points to which we receive when we do mix faith in what we see or hear any time and do not harden of our hearts as the Holy Spirit works in us making our hearts soft?

 

[Blik]

I think it would be more honest to say that many Christians reject the notion that works save, since we are saved by Grace which is a work of God. I do not see any arguing against doing works which were prepared for us to do in advance. Those works do not save...

Personally I am grateful to those like Dino who are largely quite consistent in their refutations of error and falseness.
More false accusations from you.

Scripture rejects the idea that works save, if you believe that you also do not believe scripture. But if you decide, without scripture telling you, that we are not to work then you also do not believe scripture, for scripture tells us this. If I am false in my reporting of scripture, I need to be told where i am false because I am a Christian who loves the Lord and listens to His every word. If I misunderstand God I need help.

 

[garee]

The letter of the law exposes men as sinners and as unbelievers in Christ.

If Jots and Tittles have fallen from the law then what does that mean, as to faith? It means ALL IS ALREADY FULFILLED. But men don't believe.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


You are not under the law but under Grace when you come to Christ. Christ doesn't allow you to replace Him with parts of your favorite traditions from the OT. You are either under ALL of the law, with all of its jots and tittles, or you have faith in Christ and you are under none of the law with no jots or tittles.



So when someone argues and says "yeah, some parts of the law have past, but these remain" it just shows unbelief, or non-understanding of what Christ has done for us and our faith in Him.

The law remains for those who have not come to Christ. For those who have, ALL is fulfilled. There is no halfway.

The moral law will govern the believer all the days of their life. Christian a punished for violating the law just as unbelievers. The letter of the law does not heal and quicken ones souls

Big difference between the letter of the law that kills .And a ceremonial law as a shadow. The jots and tittles in the latter law (ceremonial) where never used as the letter of the law that kills .The letter of the moral law will keep condemning sin in men till the new order appears . The letter of the law "death" will have been tossed into the eternal judgment. . . never to rise and condemn a entire creation ever again.

No need for ceremonial laws used as shadow of the good thing to come in the new.

Colossians 2:16-18 King James Version (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Seeing a shadow is not seeing the substance. Just that puffed up (an illusion) by one own fleshly mind

 

[Magenta]

Scripture rejects the idea that works save, if you believe that you also do not believe scripture. But if you decide, without scripture telling you, that we are not to work then you also do not believe scripture, for scripture tells us this. If I am false in my reporting of scripture, I need to be told where i am false because I am a Christian who loves the Lord and listens to His every word. If I misunderstand God I need help.

You are false in how you portray others' beliefs, and this has been pointed out to you time and time again. You just twisted beyond recognition what I said also. Is there any point in correcting you? It would seem not, for you do not stop with your misrepresentations.

 

[Blik]

You are false in how you portray others' beliefs, and this has been pointed out to you time and time again. You just twisted beyond recognition what I said also. Is there any point in correcting you? It would seem not, for you do not stop with your misrepresentations.

One person does this to me, and that person has a habit of making that accusation without ever backing up the accusation, I ignore it as a falsehood. I admit, I am touchy about people saying that God does not want them to do anything he says because it will not save. I think that idea has damaged the Lord's church so it has lost much of it's power. That idea is not mine alone, many think that.

In the 60's a man from California sponsored a three day teaching seminar combating this. He followed the teens he had taught scripture, it see if it had power in their life and found that it didn't. It is well documented that there are gangs, that the occult is growing, and churches are closing their doors. It seems to me that we need to not chant about how work doesn't save, although it doesn't, but chant our love and devotion for the Lord.

I don't think I should be chastised and scolded for that, I just haven't found the scripture that backs the scolding up.

 

[Blik]

One person does this to me, and that person has a habit of making that accusation without ever backing up the accusation, I ignore it as a falsehood. I admit, I am touchy about people saying that God does not want them to do anything he says because it will not save. I think that idea has damaged the Lord's church so it has lost much of it's power. That idea is not mine alone, many think that.

In the 60's a man from California sponsored a three day teaching seminar combating this. He followed the teens he had taught scripture, it see if it had power in their life and found that it didn't. It is well documented that there are gangs, that the occult is growing, and churches are closing their doors. It seems to me that we need to not chant about how work doesn't save, although it doesn't, but chant our love and devotion for the Lord.

I don't think I should be chastised and scolded for that, I just haven't found the scripture that backs the scolding up.

I can just HEAR the reply to what I said about people talking about not working! No one actually says don't work, you know it and i know it. But there has to be a way of pointing out that people speak more of how work won't save than about what the lord wants them to do that passes all critical eyes.