if anyone compels you to go one mile, go with them two.
whatever you do, do it heartily as to the Lord, not to men.
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give to him who asks you, without demanding it back
if anyone compels you to go one mile, go with them two
whatever you do, do it heartily as to the Lord, not to men
in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised
(Leviticus 12:3)
if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all
(Galatians 5:2)
jots?
tittles?
jots?
tittles?
Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people
(Ephesians 6:7)
Now by chance a certain priest came down that road.
And when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
(Luke 10:31)
will you love your ritual inactivity more than your neighbor?
Did Paul not circumcise timothy? Circumcision was meant to be a SEAL for those born into the faith and those who have completely made following Gods instructions their way of life. Circumcision was not intended to be forced upon for new converts.
Romans 2:6-11:
6 For he will repay everyone according to what that person has done: 7 eternal life to those who strive for glory, honor, and immortality by patiently doing good; 8 but wrath and fury for those who in their selfish pride refuse to believe the truth and practice wickedness instead. 9 There will be suffering and anguish for every human being who practices doing evil, for Jews first and for Greeks as well. 10 But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who practices doing good, initially for Jews but also for Greeks as well, 11 because God does not show partiality
when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD,
let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it
(Exodus 12:48)
jots? tittles?
do you keep pascha according to the law of the Sinai covenant?
or do you delete those jots and tittles?
do you command everyone to be circumcised?
or do you delete those jots and tittles?
is Exodus 12 to be literally discerned or spiritually discerned?
does it speak of physical things or does it speak of Christ?
is sabbath carnal, or is sabbath spiritual?
does the sabbath of the Jews testify of earthly ritual inactivity or does it testify of Christ?
I've explained this many times... God's work is not the same as man's work we are to refrain from on the sabbath. Helping a struggling person cross the street is very different than sending an email for a boss in a country where the large majority of us are spoiled and have way more than needed.
God commands us to treat all work as tho to Him; i have given you two witnesses.
if you are working 'man's work' 5 or 6 days a week you're in sin anyway and your ritual inactivity does not excuse you.
it is lawful to do God's work on sabbath.
if you are judging a Christian for doing labor on sabbath you are explicitly in sin per Colossians 2 & Romans 14, 2 witnesses.
All laws are not for all people at all times. Some were for priests, some just for men, some just for women, some for specific people at specific times, and some for all to carry out throughout the generations forever.
Every thing that Adam was told to do, or Moses, or anyone for that matter was not meant for all. Are we all supposed to attempt to sacrifice our children because Abraham was told to? Of course not.
A "jot or tittle" is not removed from the law if it never applied to you.
Do I claim to know the entire law... of course not.
But me not knowing it in its entirety does not mean I shouldn't put in effort, nor is it evidence for the law no longer applying.
You have not given me any witnesses. You have just given misinterpretations and out of context idioms. Colossians 2 was addressed to people trying to keep the law, not the other way around and Romans 14 was about people being judged on when and how they were fasting and had nothing to do with the Sabbath. I've addressed these multiple times already... You have the opportunity to do your own research on the locations, culture and debates going on in those scriptures..... And how you count the same author as 2 witnesses makes no sense anyway.
Paul circumcising Timothy was so Timothy could go into the Synagogues and preach , because without circumcision , he would not be allowed in the temples...
Being a preacher would mean you had to be greatly knowledgeable in law. My point was in the previous post that circumcision was never meant to be forced on new converts... with the exception of those that were to participate in Passover at the time and place in Exodus 12.
So did all the men have drop trou at the front door before being admitted to the Synagogues?
It's the job of the greeters. That's why the Jews find it so hard to keep people on the welcoming roster at synagogues - no volunteers.
This goes against all the laws. It was made clear that for anyone to become part of the Israelite nation, he had to have all his males circumcised.
If your Sabbath law-keeping had a requirement for circumcision (and all the other laws), it would still be a damnable heresy. But at least it would be consistent.
Maybe you are right.. I will study more about the law of circumcision. Was this a law meant for all people at all times is the main question to answer.
Bottom line to me though is.... "IF" scripture says it is a law meant for all people at all times, then it is still required.
...and anyone teaching that The Father's law is done away with is a false prophet.
anyone under the law refusing to participate in pascha was worthy of death.
what do you say?
delete the jots and tittles you don't like, judge others by the ones you like?