um, a blind person can see in the above that you attached Sabbath keeping for salvation.
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um, a blind person can see in the above that you attached Sabbath keeping for salvation.
Does Isaiah 66:23 teach that Christians will observe the weekly Sabbath in the new heaven? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Jewish weekly Sabbath in the new heaven, then it also teaches we will keep the Jewish New Moon festival in heaven as well. "And it shall be from new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all mankind will come to bow down before Me, says the Lord” - Isaiah 66:23.
If one insists on Sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66:23, they one also needs to observe new moons as well. Yet from what I hear, most Sabbatarian’s don’t observe new moons.
Will there be Levital Priests in the new heaven? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Jewish Sabbath in the new heaven, then it also teaches in Isaiah 66:21 that the Levitical priests will be in the new heaven, because it is also mentioned.
What happened to the Levitical Priesthood under the new covenant terms? Priesthood changed so did the law. Hebrews 7:12 - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
Just trying to point out that the Bible says we will. Unless Isaiah had it wrong...
Blind person is not going to see anything
No where in anything posted by my hand is stated that the Sabbath is required for salvation; nowhere!
Requirement for salvation is what you stated. No where does it say that. It said.....
However because we are saved we Worship GOD and not idols. We do not take the LORD'S name in vain. We keep Sabbath. We do not kill or bear false witness. We honor our fathers and our mothers. We do not steal, covet or commit adultery.
GOD is Love. Love fulfills the Law and as HE is so are we in this world. Because It is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Christ in us the hope of Glory.
I don't read it that way. The Bible does not specifically say here, "keep the weekly Sabbath," in Isaiah 66:23 and from "one new moon to another" and from "one sabbath to another," may appear more to focus on worshipping the Lord at stipulated times during the Messianic kingdom. It would be fine with me if we bowed down before the Lord everyday.
No matter what we address in his posts, he will tell us that we still have not addressed the facts related in the post.
Do you agree with this statement below in blue? that was made by a former member of CC who is SDA.
The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.
Because you didn't. One ad hominem after another. Colossians 2:14 -16 is what was posted. These facts about it are what was posted.No matter what we address in his posts, he will tell us that we still have not addressed the facts related in the post.
Context does not demand that χειρόγραφον; the handwriting, be translated a certificate of debt; though it will work. Nothing in the Greek will translate to consist. That is a paraphrase. The clause is in the Dative and has a definite article. It should translate, "handwriting to the decrees" (ordinances) that were against us. Please notice it is not the ordinances themselves but the handwriting to them or if you like the certificate of indebtedness to the decrees. Not the decrees or ordinances which Moses penned (handwritten) but that which was against us. And certainly not the Decalogue. The handwriting to the decrees are That which was mandated due to our hardheartedness; our sinning.
Verse 16 is being stated in context to verse fourteen. The word "therefore" in verse sixteen connects what is about to be said to what was previously stated in verse 14. The meat, drink, holyday, new moon and sabbath days mentioned are those in which are contained in the Book of the Law. The handwritten to the ordinances. The Handwriting to the Decrees. Not the Decrees themselves and certainly not the Decalogue.
Nowhere in any of your post did you respond to those facts. The closest that you came was posting that Samuel; some SDA commentator had a wrote a book that said this or that about Col. 2:16. I just read what he wrote. He did not address the facts that were shared either. Beyond that all you did was post other scripture implying it backed your stance without addressing the facts shared.
and all you do is say Sabbath for salvation , then deny, then say it, then deny...…...
just so you know- the orthodox jewish Bible translates Colossians 2 14 as " the full statue requirement of the Torah ", which was against us.
I need no help. I just accept truth when it is clear. you have to force everything into Law keeping, so you have to alter clear truth, thus making truth non -truth to fit your religion.
I don't care. That ain't what it says. The clause is in the Dative and has a definite article. It should translate, "handwriting to the decrees" (ordinances) that were against us. Please notice it is not the ordinances themselves but the handwriting to them or if you like the certificate of indebtedness to the decrees. Not the decrees or ordinances which Moses penned (handwritten) but that which was against us. And certainly not the Decalogue. The handwriting to the decrees are That which was mandated due to our hardheartedness; our sinning.
Verse 16 is being stated in context to verse fourteen. The word "therefore" in verse sixteen connects what is about to be said to what was previously stated in verse 14. The meat, drink, holyday, new moon and sabbath days mentioned are those in which are contained in the Book of the Law. The handwritten to the ordinances. The Handwriting to the Decrees. Not the Decrees themselves and certainly not the Decalogue.
Amen! Speaking of altering the truth. Check out what's being said about the SDA translation of the Bible -- Clear Word Bible:
Here is one example below of scripture twisting by the CWB.
Colossians 2:16
KJV - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.
CWB - Don't let anyone control your life by giving you a set of ceremonial rules about what to eat, what to drink and what monthly festivals or special Sabbaths to keep. All these rules were given as a shadow of the reality to come and that reality is Jesus Christ.
Note - Colossians 2:16 is a very important verse in that it shows clearly that the Seventh-day Sabbath is only a shadow of Christ. This verse should be studied in its context and also compared to its Old Testament parallel, Ezekiel 45:17 (above) When the terms "festival (or equivalent), new moons and Sabbaths are used together in the Old Testament the word Sabbath always refers to the seventh-day Sabbath. Also, these terms are usually used in either ascending or descending sequence: festival (yearly) new moons (monthly) Sabbaths (weekly) or Sabbaths (weekly), new moons (monthly), festivals (yearly).
These two well established patterns make it certain that the seventh-day Sabbath is in view in Colossians 2:16 and this fact undermines the whole SDA emphasis on the seventh-day Sabbath. Note how the CWB alters both Colossians 2:16 as well as the Old Testament parallel text. - https://www.watchman.org/articles/other-religious-topics/the-clear-word-bible-is-it-the-word-of-god/
Also check out these links below to see further altering of scripture by the CWB. This explains a lot!
http://clearwordexposed.com/index.html
https://carm.org/clear-word-bible
http://jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/clear_word.htm
I don't read it that way. The Bible does not specifically say here, "keep the weekly Sabbath," in Isaiah 66:23 and from "one new moon to another" and from "one sabbath to another," may appear more to focus on worshipping the Lord at stipulated times during the Messianic kingdom. It would be fine with me if we bowed down before the Lord everyday.
As it reads I took from one new moon to another as time passage because there are usually a new moon and a full moon in a monthly cycle I didn't take it as a celebration or a festival to be kept. The passage is clearly talking about the new heaven and earth not our current one. So I took the passage as future not yet fulfilled but to be fulfilled. That's just how I read it and to me it reads pretty clearly.
God never forces us to do anything we have free will to do as we choose.
https://biblehub.com/greek/5618.htm
Thayer's Greek Lexicon gives much more detailed explanation than the strongs.
note Part B
it stands in close relation to what precedes
so yes, our resting from our own works in relation to Salvation stands in close relation to what God did on the 7th day of creation. and I think that fits the context best of all!
One reason I think the context of Hebrews 4 means that the rest being spoken of there is not rest from physical labor is that it talks about if Joshua had given them rest. I think that would be a strange thing to even consider, that Joshua had given them rest from physical labor. So to me it's clear that some other kind of rest is being talked about.
The whole situation strikes me as somewhat similar to wearing a necklace with a cross on it. If you think of it as just something that reminds you of God, then all is well. If you think it is some kind of talisman that protect you from evil, you're probably going down the wrong path.
So it is with keeping certain days holy, whether it's a new moon day or the Passover or Christmas or a Saturday or a Sunday. If it reminds you of God, no problem.
If you think it adds to your righteousness, you're probably going down the wrong path.
I can see that there are sincere, probably godly people in real life who don't do physical labor on Saturday. If you think that adds to your righteousness, though, then you have a basis on which to judge other people for keeping or not keeping a holy day.
So it is with keeping certain days holy, whether it's a new moon day or the Passover or Christmas or a Saturday or a Sunday. If it reminds you of God, no problem.
If you think it adds to your righteousness, you're probably going down the wrong path.
I can see that there are sincere, probably godly people in real life who don't do physical labor on Saturday. If you think that adds to your righteousness, though, then you have a basis on which to judge other people for keeping or not keeping a holy day.
Everything we own belongs to God to do with at His pleasure. He directs our daily walk and we will do His will. What have we left to do for Him but little things? These little things we do differently because we think it pleases Him.
You ought to try it because when God is pleased He does things for us also. We also realize nothing we do adds to our righteousness, we don't have any. We have Christ's righteousness by grace-faith.
The Sabbath was given to man at the end of creation week. For man's benefit to rest from labors six days a week, to spend quality time with family and most importantly to spend uninterrupted time with God in thanksgiving and worship. Why men make it as though it is a burden and a legalistic issue baffles me.
God asked us to remember because we have forgotten down through the ages because of man changing the day. God never changed it.
It is not a requirement for being saved. It is a request by God to come and spend time with Him on a day that He set apart blessing it, hallowing it and sanctifying it. God did this not man.
Isaiah chapter 66 clearly talking about the new heaven and earth says we will come from Sabbath to Sabbath which is a passage of time to worship before the Lord. In heaven.....and the new earth....not on this current earth.
God asked us to remember because we have forgotten down through the ages because of man changing the day. God never changed it.
It is not a requirement for being saved. It is a request by God to come and spend time with Him on a day that He set apart blessing it, hallowing it and sanctifying it. God did this not man.
Isaiah chapter 66 clearly talking about the new heaven and earth says we will come from Sabbath to Sabbath which is a passage of time to worship before the Lord. In heaven.....and the new earth....not on this current earth.
Well I think that in saying "You ought to try it because when God is pleased..." You are rendering a judgment regarding keeping a holy day. I believe the implication is that God is not as pleased with me as he could be, so I think that's a judgment.Everything we own belongs to God to do with at His pleasure. He directs our daily walk and we will do His will. What have we left to do for Him but little things? These little things we do differently because we think it pleases Him.
You ought to try it because when God is pleased He does things for us also. We also realize nothing we do adds to our righteousness, we don't have any. We have Christ's righteousness by grace-faith.