Sabbath

[valiant]

When the children of Israel did sacrifice a goat to YHWH and put all the sin on the goat dedicated to Azazel and let him loose to wander in the wilderness, this was a shadow. Their is still a shadow in this, as Azazel has yet to have all sin of the congregation of Elohim in Messiah put on him.

Azazel was a shadow that has passed away. Our Lord Jesus Christ is the reality. He has been made sin for us, Who knew no sin,that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

We are under the law, all of us anyway.

We are not under law, but under God's grace

You say Jesus is the Passover yet Messiah declared, "as often as you do this, do it in remembrance of me"

Because He had been offered as the Passover lamb.

and your tradition of the cup is from the Catholic faith, (the communion).

Actually its from Jesus and Paul.

The true cup of the festival is the cup of our redeemer.

The third cup, the cup of blessing. But He made it the ONE CUP which represented the new covenant in His blood.

Their are three cups and yet another to come in the Kingdom.

But Jesus selected only one. That represented the covenant in His blood.

These are things that have not yet entered into many minds and hearts because of lack of knowledge in the law of God.

You've got it wrong too.

You confuse the law, Sabbath, and festivals

No they have all ceased in their original meanings under the Gospel. They are but shadows of the Great Reality.

just as you probably have misunderstood this parable of the wheat and tares. What is gathered first the righteous like the false hope of the rapture, or the wicked to be burned up by fire?

Both at the same time

Messiah wouldn't have gone against the scripture, "you will look for them, but not find them". I say that if the gatherer comes and waves his sickle the wicked will be reaped, not the righteous.

And the righteous will be caught up.

Remember that one word that says, " even the faith of righteous men of scripture would save only themselves".

of course.

This couldn't mean that our righteous works save by our works,

Works never save,

what is True is that those works created for mankind by God for us to live in are meant for us to live in.

And by God's grace we will

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you, John.

Thanks for your bullocks.

When the children of Israel did sacrifice a goat to YHWH and put all the sin on the goat dedicated to Azazel and let him loose to wander in the wilderness, this was a shadow. Their is still a shadow in this, as Azazel has yet to have all sin of the congregation of Elohim in Messiah put on him. We are under the law, all of us anyway.

You say Jesus is the Passover yet Messiah declared, "as often as you do this, do it in remembrance of me" and your tradition of the cup is from the Catholic faith, (the communion). The true cup of the festival is the cup of our redeemer. Their are three cups and yet another to come in the Kingdom.
These are things that have not yet entered into many minds and hearts because of lack of knowledge in the law of God.
You confuse the law, Sabbath, and festivals just as you probably have misunderstood this parable of the wheat and ter. What is gathered first the righteous like the false hope of the rapture, or the wicked to be burned up by fire? Messiah wouldn't have gone against the scripture, "you will look for them, but not find them". I say that if the gatherer comes and waves his sickle the wicked will be reaped, not the righteous. Remember that one word that says, " even the faith of righteous men of scripture would save only themselves". This couldn't mean that our righteous works save buy our works, what is True is that those works created for mankind by God for us to live in are meant for us to live in.

Heaven is still shadowy to us today.
We still have difficulty seeing it.

Azazel or the devil is shadowy too.
Few have managed to get a good look at him.

Jesus is shadowy too, when He comes.
When He comes, as the Son of man, you don't get to see Him as a man.
At least, I didn't.

Behold, He shall come up as clouds, and His chariots shall be as a whirlwind:
His horses are swifter than eagles.
Woe unto us! for we are spoiled.
Jeremiah 4:13

Behold, He comes with clouds; and every eye shall see Him,
and they also which pierced Him:
and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him.
Even so, Amen.
Revelation 1:7

As the lightning comes out of the east, and shines even unto the west;
so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:7

Every eye has seen Him
Paul

I said unto you,
That ye also have seen Me, and believe not.
John 6:36​

 

[comingfrom]

Bless you all.

If we do not go on to follow the law, after that we are born again,
we get spewed out of the kingdom again.
Our baby spirit from Jesus does not grow.

When you were born again Jesus carried you over Jordan into His promised land, the kingdom of heaven.
But except one does the will of the Father in heaven, they can not remain in the kingdom of heaven.

Though the kingdom of God be at hand
Paul

Come, and let us return unto the LORD:
for He hath torn, and He will heal us;
He hath smitten, and He will bind us up.
After two days will He revive us:
in the third day He will raise us up,
and we shall live in His sight.
Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD:
His going forth is prepared as the morning;
and He shall come unto us as the rain,
as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
Hosea 6:1-3​

 

[Endoscopy]

To me this dead horse has been beaten enough. Nobody is going to change their mind so why keep going around in circles with this topic. Waste of time.

 

[comingfrom]

Hi Endoscopy.

To me this dead horse has been beaten enough. Nobody is going to change their mind so why keep going around in circles with this topic. Waste of time.

Because it is the judgment, that's why.

Because the man of God seeks judgment, and executes judgment.
But the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, but are like chaff which the wind drives away.

From Psalm 1.
I think of Psalm 1 as God's kindergarten class.
A lot of people still don't have a handle on it.

Not enough feasts in sabbaths. That's what it is.
Paul

Behold upon the mountains the feet of Him that brings good tidings,
that publishes peace!
O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows:
for the wicked shall no more pass through thee;
he is utterly cut off.
Nahum 1:15​

 

[JaumeJ]

A good and peace-filled Sabbath to all. Shabbat Shalom.............amen

 

[loveme1]

All Praise and Glory to Heavenly Father and our Lord and Saviour Yahshua.

Have a Restful Sabbath to all in the Love of our GOD.

 

[trofimus]

All Praise and Glory to Heavenly Father and our Lord and Saviour Yahshua.

Have a Restful Sabbath to all in the Love of our GOD.

Thanks.

Have a restful Friday

 

[Snoozy]

good friday and saturday to all the folks still under the law.

make sure nobody in ur town works, dont make a fire and u know what to do if someone does work..

aint it awesome to just rest from da work grind on friday?

 

[loveme1]

good friday and saturday to all the folks still under the law.

make sure nobody in ur town works, dont make a fire and u know what to do if someone does work..

aint it awesome to just rest from da work grind on friday?

Thank GOD for the New Covenant... where we are to Keep even the least Commandment but Faith that worketh by Love is delighted not burdened thanks to our Lord and Saviour.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is odd to autmatically level a charge of being under tha law because some folks revere the Seventh Day over thefirst.

It is even more strange that one who believes the teachings of Paul as a disciple of Jesus Christ does not honor his teaching the one man may revere one day over another while others not. If they both do this in the sight of God with a clear cnscienct hey are both justified. I love the Seventh Day because that is teh only day written that God hallowed.

I do not fault nor judge any who have decided on the first day, so please learn the difference between being under the law and having the law written on our hearts, enjoying every moment of pleasing ourFather in every manner possible for each of us.

We are saved by Jesus Christ only, but this is no reason nor an excuse to deliberately disobey the Father. What kind of grace do you know that has no responsibility nor thanksgiving?

It seems those who level the charge of being "under the law" are judges and lawgivers attempting to lay burdens on those who are truly and joyously free.

good friday and saturday to all the folks still under the law.

make sure nobody in ur town works, dont make a fire and u know what to do if someone does work..

aint it awesome to just rest from da work grind on friday?

 

[Hizikyah]

Thank GOD for the New Covenant... where we are to Keep even the least Commandment but Faith that worketh by Love is delighted not burdened thanks to our Lord and Saviour.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, “[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 5:17-19, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done. Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.”[/FONT]

 

[Endoscopy]

Hi Endoscopy.

Because it is the judgment, that's why.

Because the man of God seeks judgment, and executes judgment.
But the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, but are like chaff which the wind drives away.

From Psalm 1.
I think of Psalm 1 as God's kindergarten class.
A lot of people still don't have a handle on it.

Not enough feasts in sabbaths. That's what it is.
Paul

Behold upon the mountains the feet of Him that brings good tidings,
that publishes peace!
O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows:
for the wicked shall no more pass through thee;
he is utterly cut off.
Nahum 1:15​

After all that was posted on all sides there is enough information. Everything about it now is back and forth with the same arguments. Nobody will change their mind. This is a divisive issue with believers dug in with their interpretation. Been there done that 60 years ago. Nothing new. It has all been posted. Thus beating a dead horse.

 

[valiant]

Bless you all.

If we do not go on to follow the law, after that we are born again,
we get spewed out of the kingdom again.
Our baby spirit from Jesus does not grow.

But now the righteousness of God part from the Law has been manifested (Rom 3.21)

When you were born again Jesus carried you over Jordan into His promised land, the kingdom of heaven.
But except one does the will of the Father in heaven, they can not remain in the kingdom of heaven.

we can do the will of our Father in heaven without striving to keep the law

​

 

[comingfrom]

Don't believe what God's word says?

Thank GOD for the New Covenant... where we are to Keep even the least Commandment but Faith that worketh by Love is delighted not burdened thanks to our Lord and Saviour.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so,
he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them,
the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:19

But whoso looks into the perfect law of liberty,
and continues therein,
he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work,
this man shall be blessed in his deed.
James 1:25

And he that overcomes, and keeps My works unto the end,
to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:26

Obviously, I can only offer New Testament verses for you
Paul

And, behold, I come quickly;
and My reward is with Me,
to give every man according as his work shall be.
Revelation 22:12​

 

[comingfrom]

Hi Snoozy.

good friday and saturday to all the folks still under the law.

make sure nobody in ur town works, dont make a fire and u know what to do if someone does work..

aint it awesome to just rest from da work grind on friday?

We shall proclaim them in their seasons.
It is the Lord's supper.

Only if you believe what God says
Paul



These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations,
which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Leviticus 23:4

If thou turn away thy foot from doing thy pleasure on My holy day;
and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable;
and shalt honour Him,
not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD;
and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father:
for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Isaiah 58:13-14

Jesus said,
If you do not fast from the world, you will not find the Kingdom.
If you do not observe the Sabbath as a Sabbath, you will not see the Father.
Thomas 27

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Jaume.

It is odd to autmatically level a charge of being under tha law because some folks revere the Seventh Day over thefirst.

It is even more strange that one who believes the teachings of Paul as a disciple of Jesus Christ does not honor his teaching the one man may revere one day over another while others not. If they both do this in the sight of God with a clear cnscienct hey are both justified. I love the Seventh Day because that is teh only day written that God hallowed.

I do not fault nor judge any who have decided on the first day, so please learn the difference between being under the law and having the law written on our hearts, enjoying every moment of pleasing ourFather in every manner possible for each of us.

We are saved by Jesus Christ only, but this is no reason nor an excuse to deliberately disobey the Father. What kind of grace do you know that has no responsibility nor thanksgiving?

It seems those who level the charge of being "under the law" are judges and lawgivers attempting to lay burdens on those who are truly and joyously free.

Because they never kept the sabbath as God commands us to,
they quickly jump to giving us their excuses why they never kept them.

To justify themselves.

Unfortunately, the children hear them,
and then they believe it's ok for them to forsake the law too.
Now hardly anyone does God's will
Paul

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you Endoscopy.

After all that was posted on all sides there is enough information. Everything about it now is back and forth with the same arguments. Nobody will change their mind. This is a divisive issue with believers dug in with their interpretation. Been there done that 60 years ago. Nothing new. It has all been posted. Thus beating a dead horse.

Only if you are parroting against God's words, is it beating a dead horse.

The more people I reprove, the better I understand God's word.
And the more I am quickened in His words.

So even if they reject Jesus' words, I still get blessed.

I do it for righteousness' sake.
And to praise my Lord.
Paul

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Valiant.

But now the righteousness of God part from the Law has been manifested (Rom 3.21)

Is that what you see?

I see a lot of evil parrots, chanting enchantments against God's law,
and striving to turn the children away the word, and away from doing the commandments,
while saying that righteousness has manifested.

Steering people away from God's word is not righteousness.
Not in His eyes.

we can do the will of our Father in heaven without striving to keep the law

What are you going to do?

Start a whole new Bible written by you,
so you can teach the people how to get to God without doing as He commands?

If you didn't get to God by believing Jesus and keeping the commandments,
I don't believe you have got to God yet, or get to Him anymore.

Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that enters not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbs up some other way,
the same is a thief and a robber.
John 10:1

For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering;
and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.
Isaiah 61:8

A blessing,
if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:
Deuteronomy 11:27

Bless God
Paul

 

[Endoscopy]

But now the righteousness of God part from the Law has been manifested (Rom 3.21)



we can do the will of our Father in heaven without striving to keep the law

​

Not disagreeing with you but like putting verses in context. You have an error in your quote. Instead of apart you have part. Took me looking the quote up to figure it out.

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Righteousness Through Faith

21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.