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[stonesoffire]

Grace777

I have a word for you. Psalms 118, and the Word "bees".

 

[LoveGodForever]

Grace777

I have a word for you. Psalms 118, and the Word "bees".

I love Psalm 118

It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes. v 8-9

We should not follow the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God. If we do this it makes us "Unbelievers" Cutting and pasting over God's Word cannot Hide God's truth

God bless

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Do you reject or accept, that "His Commandments" are to Believe on Jesus and Love one another, EXACTLY like the Apostle John teaches us in the above verses? Or do you believe "Keep His Commandments" means the 10 Commandments CONTRARY to what the Apostle John just says above? Humility would be to accept HIS teaching, and not your own thinking on that matter.

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Sure if you want to stay with 'believing only that is your choice....
'the demons also believe - and where is that going to get them ?

It appears you have misunderstood what i said above. Nothing says or even implies that believing only is the answer or my choice. i am 100% Faith + Works go hand in hand, not one without the other.

We have to become 'Doers of the Word and not hearers only deceiving ourselves (as if hearing and believing is enough).

True, we are to be DOERS of the WORD. And Jesus nor any Apostle EVER told us to Keep the Sabbath. If Jesus or any Apostle would have instructed us to keep the Sabbath, then that would be something that we should DO, thereby being doers of the Word. But Jesus nor any Apostle ever instructed us to keep the Sabbath. Men instruct us to continue to keep the Sabbath, NOT Jesus, NOT the Apostles, NOT the Word of God in all Instructions given to what Christians should DO.

It is high time to awake from sleep and move up and away from that level of beginning !

i agree.

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[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
Jesus followed all the customs of the Jews.
Jesus followed all 600+ commandments of the Old Testament.
Jesus followed ALL the Laws, Rules, Regulations, Ordinances, and Statutes of the Old Testament.

Know you not that if Jesus did not obey the 10 Commandments, then sin would have been found in Him, and He would not have been a perfect sacrifice for US Christians.
Know you not that Jesus lived under the Law.
KNOW you not that Jesus obeyed the Laws of Moses Perfectly.
While Jesus lived, the New Covenant was not yet started.
The New Covenant started immediately after the first person saw Jesus alive after being raised from the dead. Know you not that to be a Christian you must believe that Jesus rose from the dead. The first TRUE Christian was the first person to see Jesus alive after being crucified. It was only at that moment that Christianity actually began.

Before the Resurrection of Christ, EVERYONE was under the Law of Moses, under the 10 Commandments. Have you ears but can't hear these things? Are you so blind to the TRUTH, that you can't comprehend the TRUTH when it is presented to you?

This entire post was not written to JohnTalmid, but to everyone.

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Yes JESUS kept ALL commandments and all the customs of the Jews but things were changing dramatically from the time He started His ministry Joh 7v1.

True, He was starting the New Covenant.

He focused entirely on pleasing His Father and observing the Sabbath to keep it holy was never an issue with Him....why would it be to any of His TRUE disciples ?

Never said He had an issue with it. Are you not reading what i write? If i say Jesus kept the Sabbath, how then do you imply that i think He had an issue with it?

and you making His Commandments a 'burden are speaking against scripture that says otherwise 1Joh 5v3.

Again, things are coming into your head that is not coming from the text written. IN all that i say above, to which you are responding, where did i say or imply what you are saying here?

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[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
Jesus followed all the customs of the Jews.
Jesus followed all 600+ commandments of the Old Testament.
Jesus followed ALL the Laws, Rules, Regulations, Ordinances, and Statutes of the Old Testament.

Know you not that if Jesus did not obey the 10 Commandments, then sin would have been found in Him, and He would not have been a perfect sacrifice for US Christians.
Know you not that Jesus lived under the Law.
KNOW you not that Jesus obeyed the Laws of Moses Perfectly.
While Jesus lived, the New Covenant was not yet started.
The New Covenant started immediately after the first person saw Jesus alive after being raised from the dead. Know you not that to be a Christian you must believe that Jesus rose from the dead. The first TRUE Christian was the first person to see Jesus alive after being crucified. It was only at that moment that Christianity actually began.

Before the Resurrection of Christ, EVERYONE was under the Law of Moses, under the 10 Commandments. Have you ears but can't hear these things? Are you so blind to the TRUTH, that you can't comprehend the TRUTH when it is presented to you?

This entire post was not written to JohnTalmid, but to everyone.

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DiscipleDave.com

The first person to see Jesus was AFTER He had been resurrected and that is what christianity is built on - Fact and not Faith ! Is something you see of FAITH ?

It seems you think for some reason that i do not know this. What did i say above that would lead you to believe that i do not know that? Or are you only assuming that i do not know that therefore mentioning it here. Also just a small point, those who seen Jesus after He was risen from the dead, did not have Faith that He had risen, because they saw Him alive, and KNEW He had risen. Anyone who did not SEE Him risen must have Faith that He did. Just like you pointed out as well.

what did Jesus say to Thomas ? 'because you have seen you believe'....then WHO are the BLESSED who believe and have not seen ? THOSE are they of FAITH.

True, and i never said or implied otherwise. The question remains though why do you think i have said or thought otherwise?

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[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
IN the Old Testament. Keeping the Sabbath was crucial. You were stoned to death if you broke it. It was said over and over and over and over again to "Keep the Sabbath". People were killed because they broke it. Anyone who has read the Old Testament can clearly and plainly see, how important it was to keep the Commandment "Keep the Sabbath Day Holy to the Lord" And because this was so important of a commandment Jesus told Christians to keep the Sabbath Day Holy how many times? NONE. really? Oh than it must have been instructed by the Apostles. So how many Apostles instructed us Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath Day Holy? NONE. really? Jesus nor any Apostle ever instructed us to keep the Sabbath.

Hello DiscipleDave,

Welcome back my friend. Let’s have a look at what you’re saying. Yes you are correct, In the Old covenant and Old Testament scriptures they took the Law of God (10 commandments) very seriously. If someone was caught openly breaking any of God’s commandments there was a death penalty. Gods 4[SUP]th[/SUP] Commandments (Ex 20:8-11) they were indeed stoned to death. This was part of the civil laws of Moses and similar punishments where given to other commandments of God that were openly broken. For example; Not honouring your mother and farther (Lev 20:9), Blaspheming or using God’s name in vain (Lev 24:10-17), Idolatry ((Deut 27:15; Deut 7:25-26), serving other God (Deut 13:6-18; 1Sam 26:19), coveting and adultery (2Pet 2:14; John 8:5)), most evil towards your neighbour ((Deut 27:15-26) and yes as the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath is one of God’s 10 commandments it was also included and if it was openly broken just like adultery (John 8:5) people were put to death. Breaking God’s Law (10 commandments) is sin (1John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23). Nothing has changed and this is also recorded in the New Testament scriptures as well, although we are no longer under the civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical, Levitical, Sanctuary laws of Moses.

That is a little of the background. Now as to your other questions. So you can imagine that over the many generations of God’s people, from the time of Moses to the time of Jesus, having all of God’s Laws (God’s Law and the laws of Moses), you would imagine that God’s people would by now have understood the importance of ALL of God’s Laws (10 commandments) don’t you think? Especially with all the death penalties involved for openly breaking God’s Laws? Can you imagine how many people over the generations would have been openly put to death because they openly broke God’s Laws? So I am wondering why you would think Jesus needed to teach people about the Sabbath all over again when it was already clearly taught to God’s people and they had already been practicing them over many generations since Moses? God’s people were already keeping God’s Sabbath and His Laws and had by this time known about God’s Laws for many generations (although not the way Jesus wanted them to know them). It would make no sense for Jesus to teach anyone about God’s Laws when His people already know them would it?

This being said and continuing on. You were also NOT correct in suggesting that Jesus did not instruct people in regards to keeping the Sabbath.

That True. Jesus never once instructed us Christians to continue to KEEP the Sabbath Day Holy to the Lord. NOT once did He or any Apostle ever instruct us to do that. This is absolutely TRUE. Now let us continue to look at verses that YOU think mean for us to continue to keep the Sabbath.

He taught everyone how to keep the Sabbath as God commanded it to be kept and that it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Mark 3:4; Luke 6:9; Matt 12:1-5; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 1:21; 2:23-24; 3:2-4; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 6:1-9; 13:10; 13:14-16; Luke 14:1-5; 23:54; John 5:9; 16; 7-22-23; John 19:31).

NOT ONE of all those verses say, teach, or even imply that we are to continue to Keep the Sabbath Day Holy to the LORD.

Jesus also taught us that the Sabbath was made for mankind and not man for the Sabbath (Mark 2:27) and that he was the creator and Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28).

That is absolutely True and are the reasons that God created the Sabbath, AGAIN not telling us, or commanding us, or asking us to continue to keep the Sabbath.

The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath is the Lord’s Day the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment of God (Ex 20:8-11 and if you break it you break God’s Law this is how it has always been. This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it. (Ps 118:24). Jesus is our example and we should follow Him (1Pet 2:21-22).

All those references, yet not one of them debunks or disproves what i said, which you say is wrong.

Now I can show you the scriptures with the apostles also keeping God’s 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath after the death of Jesus if you like but I am sure you know some of these scriptures (e.g. Acts 13:14; 27; 42-44; 15:21; 17:2; 18:4).

The problem is you do not understand the TRUTH of those Scriptures. If you did then you would not be saying these verses are proof for your case that they KEPT the Sabbath. None of those verse teach that, all those verse merely stated they taught on the Sabbath Day. Verses that state they taught on the Sabbath Day, is in no wise saying or instructing us to KEEP the SABBATH, merely because Scriptures teach they taught on the Sabbath Day.

Well I hope this is enough scripture for you.

Not one of all the verses you quote above, teaches us to continue to Keep the Sabbath Day Holy to the Lord.

Now that I have answered your questions and post, I hope you can answer my questions from God’s Word.

Please show me a single bible verse that says;

The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

There isn't one verse that teaches that. But is irrelevant, because Jesus nor any Apostle instructed us to continue to keep the Sabbath Day Holy to the Lord.

Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

There is not one verse that tells us Christians to keep ANY DAY HOLY.

Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

First day, last day, mid week, Tuesday, all irrelevant. Because Jesus nor ANY Apostle ever told us to Keep the Sabbath Day Holy.

That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

The Seventh Day of the week IS God's Sabbath Day. What i am addressing is the issue if we as Christians are commanded, told, or asked to continue to Keep the Sabbath Day Holy? And that answer is "NO" Because it is NOT required under the New Covenant with Jesus Christ, no longer being under ANY Law, save to Love One Another.

That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

It is not abolished, it is only that we Don't have to observe it. Nor do we have to, or must observe Passover, or any of the feasts. NONE of these things are, or will be abolished. Jesus when HE returns, under His reign will re-establish the Sabbath, and the feast days, but we as Christians, under the New Covenant, are NOT required to keep the Sabbath, keep the Passover, keep the Feast Days, or any other thing that Jesus set up for those who were under the OLD Covenant for them to obey and Keep.

Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

They never taught any person to keep any Day of the week as a Sabbath.

Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

moot.

That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

They never taught ANYONE to keep ANY DAY of the week as the Sabbath, 7th, 1st, or otherwise.

That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

All moot.

I hope these scriptures and questions are helpful to you and bring you closer to Jesus.

God bless

Keeping the Sabbath 1st day of the week, or last day of the week, debating: is like debating about if a person must be circumcised in the morning of the 8th day, the evening of the 8th day, or on the 7th day of the week.
All MOOT, because it isn't something Christians MUST DO now under the New Covenant.

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[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever You do know my friend that Jesus and all the disciples always kept the 7th Day Sabbath according to the commandments right? Yes. Jesus and the Disciple kept over 600+ commandments while they walked under the old covenant, Else sin would have been found in Jesus. Jesus kept the OLD Testament laws, Statutes, Ordinances PERFECTLY because Jesus lived by and under the OLD COVENANT.

David, do you know the difference between God’s Law (10 commandments forever Law that is the foundation of the Old and New Covenants and the Judgement) and the laws of Moses (civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical, Levitical, Sanctuary laws; done away at the cross)? It seems you have them mixed up together. God always kept them separated and there was a reason for this. God’s Law is the work of God and is forever. While many of the laws of Moses were shadows and fulfilled when Jesus came (God’s Law was placed inside the Ark of the Covenant while the law of Moses was placed beside the Ark; Deut 10:5; Deut 31:25).

If you would like more scripture on the difference between God’s Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses please there are many, please read the posts from the links provided below;

The difference between God's Law and the laws of Moses (1)

The difference between God's Law and the laws of Moses (2)


Hope this is helpful.
God bless you.

Answer me this question.

The verses :

Exo 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. (Notice this covenant was made SPECIFICALLY to Moses and ISRAEL. NOBODY ELSE)
Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Answer me this question. What covenant was this referring to?

If you answered "Old Covenant" you are correct, if you answered something other than OLD COVENANT, you got the question wrong.

The 10 Commandments was a covenant made to, and for, the ISRAELITES, = FACT. To say we Christians are to continue to keep a covenant that was made between God and Israel, (which according to the Word of God above, is the 10 commandments) is to teach false doctrine. Woe to those who think they know the TRUTH, and lead the sheep astray with their doctrines. The Word of God is TRUE, the words of men are false. The Word of God above plainly teaches us that the 10 commandments was a COVENANT between God and who? ISRAEL!!!! To teach that we are to continue to keep that particular covenant made between God and Israel is from the minds of humans, and not from God. Anyone who teaches others things that are contrary to Scriptures, shall not escape His wrath. Therefore believe the Word of God, not the word of men.

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[LoveGodForever]

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

Hi Dave,

Seems like you do not believe God's Word and have ignored the posts sent to you. Your premise to everything you say is "Where does it command us to keep the Sabbath in the New Testament" My questions to you have not been answered;

1. Why would God need to give His Law again when he had already given it to God's people 430 years earlier in the time of Moses? The Sabbath is all through the old and New Testament and Jesus and the disciples kept it. Jesus says he made it for mankind and he is the Lord of the Sabbath. (Gen 2:1-3; Mark 2:27-28 all the others you ignore) It does not say he is the Sabbath.

2. If God's people already had God's Law (10 commandments) why would God need to give it to them again?

3. Everything in the New Testament comes from the Old Testament are you saying that everything in the Old Testament is no longer required now and we should just believe the New Testament? Even if we only believe the New Testament the Sabbath is still there as well as the rest of God's Law.

3 Where is the commandment in the New Testament saying that God's Sabbath is abolished and we are now commanded to follow Sunday worship in place of God's 4th commandment?

4. Where is the 3rd commandment in the New Testament that says not to take the Lords name in vain? Because it is not in the New testament does that now mean we can take God's name in vain? (Serious?)

I write this with all respect but you can see the logic behind your reasoning. The only "Moot" around is that coming from your posts because you do not know God's Word and you are trying to twist scripture to justify breaking God's Law. The Jews did the same thing in the days of Jesus. You can read about it here (Matt 15:3-9). The scriptures clearly teach us that if we follow the teachings and traditions of man in place of the Word of God then we are an "Unbeliever". Sunday Worship is a teaching and tradition of man. We must follow the Word of God over the teachings and traditions of man. We follow Jesus because we love him how about you?

In His holy and precious name

LGF

 

[LoveGodForever]

Answer me this question.

The verses :

Exo 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. (Notice this covenant was made SPECIFICALLY to Moses and ISRAEL. NOBODY ELSE)
Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Answer me this question. What covenant was this referring to?

If you answered "Old Covenant" you are correct, if you answered something other than OLD COVENANT, you got the question wrong.

The 10 Commandments was a covenant made to, and for, the ISRAELITES, = FACT. To say we Christians are to continue to keep a covenant that was made between God and Israel, (which according to the Word of God above, is the 10 commandments) is to teach false doctrine. Woe to those who think they know the TRUTH, and lead the sheep astray with their doctrines. The Word of God is TRUE, the words of men are false. The Word of God above plainly teaches us that the 10 commandments was a COVENANT between God and who? ISRAEL!!!! To teach that we are to continue to keep that particular covenant made between God and Israel is from the minds of humans, and not from God. Anyone who teaches others things that are contrary to Scriptures, shall not escape His wrath. Therefore believe the Word of God, not the word of men.

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Hi Dave answering my question with a question is not answering my question now is it? In order you answer your question you need to know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses and why they were given. Can we start from here and move forward? I am happy to share the Word of God with you. What do you say?

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ

LGF

 

[Grandpa]

maybe we should examine the assumptions made by people.

So some of us suggest the Sabbath day still stands. other say it does not.

Many claims have been made by both using scripture.

So instead of going here there and everywhere. lets take one text or group of texts i the same place and say what you think it is saying then we will examine to see if there are assumptions placed on the text.

Who wants to go first?

2 Corinthians 3:7-8
[FONT=&quot]7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

The ministration of death written on stones is the 10 commandments. They were written on stone.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The law, the 10 commandments, show us our sin.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The law of sin and death is the 10 commandments.[/FONT]

 

[stonesoffire]

I love Psalm 118

It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes. v 8-9

We should not follow the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God. If we do this it makes us "Unbelievers" Cutting and pasting over God's Word cannot Hide God's truth

God bless

Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Are you teaching law on the sabbath?


Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,


Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:


Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.


Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.


Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:


Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and fromthings strangled, and fromblood.

 

[JohnTalmid]

Okay I love Messiah more than the Sabbath. Because if I where to stone anyone for not keeping it I would be a wrongdoer in Messiah's eyes. I wouldn't because that is not the point of Sabbath it is mercy, justice, and Faith that is the ministration of Sabbath. It is not participating in the Kingdom of Messiah to reject Sabbath day because it was not expressly commanded by any Apostle. Just because it wasn't directly commanded doesn't mean it doesn't stand still. Here reason with scripture with me for a moment. When the apostle says all the rest is taught in synagogue on Sabbath. Doesn't that mean you're to observe the Sabbath day? How about "doing what will continue on into eternity"? The Sabbath day will be celebrated in the thousand year reign and if anyone doesn't celebrate, He will withhold rain from them.

You claim, (y'all who have claimed) that Messiah is the Sabbath have never proved with one witness that He is the Sabbath, only that Messiah is the Lord of Sabbath which is two different things. We can't understand the spiritual interpretation of the word without first applying the literal understanding. I'm saying if you don't know what Moses said about Messiah and keep saying that the law of Moses is the law of God you will never understand the true law of Moses. To believe what the one like Moses says and do it or you will be cut off from the congregation of Israel which started way back in the day of Moses not immune first century like many here claim
The cohol or assembly first became when they heard the ten utterances in all known languages from the mountain. This has not changed my mind Sabbath is still in effect today because one, it will be celebrated in the thousand year reign, and two it is observed up to the great persecution of the saints of Elohim who lived with Messiah.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.Are you teaching law on the sabbath?
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and fromthings strangled, and fromblood.

Hi SOF,

I am assuming you must of been tired when you where writing the above? No we are not teaching the laws of Moses on the Sabbath. You do know the context of chapter 15 you quoted above is that the Jewish believers were teaching that the Christian believers needed to be circumcised in order to be saved which is referring to the ceremonial law Moses right?

Act 15:1,
And certain men which came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

Rom 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

We must obey the Word of God over the traditions and teachings of man. Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments.

No where does it say in God's Word that;

1. Jesus is the Sabbath and
2. We no longer need to keep God's 4th commandment a Holy day as Jesus commanded
3. We need to worship God on Sunday

These are the teachings and traditions of man in place of the Word of God. We must follow Jesus because we love him. Who do we love Jesus and the Word of God of the traditions and teachings of man? I love Jesus how about you?

God bless

 

[JaumeJ]

Shabbat shalom col am b'shem Yeshua, amen.

Good sabbath to all people in Jesus Christ's name...amen...

Good Sabbath to all, today, and tomorrow......in Jesus Christ's name, amen.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Shabbat shalom col am b'shem Yeshua, amen.

Good sabbath to all people in Jesus Christ's name...amen...

Good Sabbath to all, today, and tomorrow......in Jesus Christ's name, amen.

Happy Sabbath friend!

God bless

 

[loveme1]

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[TD="class: passage-col col-xs-12 first last"][h=1]Psalm 23King James Version (KJV)[/h]23 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.



Delight in Heavenly Father and the Messiah.





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[TD="class: passage-col col-xs-12 first last"][h=1]John 14:15-31King James Version (KJV)[/h]15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.


[h=1]1 John 2King James Version (KJV)[/h]2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.




All glory to our Heavenly Father and our Messiah.












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[GandalfTheWhite]

Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Are you teaching law on the sabbath?

We are discussing it on this website daily

Shabbat shalom friends

 

[beta]

It seems you think for some reason that i do not know this. What did i say above that would lead you to believe that i do not know that? Or are you only assuming that i do not know that therefore mentioning it here. Also just a small point, those who seen Jesus after He was risen from the dead, did not have Faith that He had risen, because they saw Him alive, and KNEW He had risen. Anyone who did not SEE Him risen must have Faith that He did. Just like you pointed out as well.



True, and i never said or implied otherwise. The question remains though why do you think i have said or thought otherwise?

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave.com

Hi DD, 3 posts addressed to me telling me how much I misunderstand you !
I am truly SORRY if I do...so let us wait and see how things 'pan out in future conversation. ALL things will eventually be revealed ! God bless you !

 

[beta]

It is very interesting how 'christians stress the fact we are not 'told, instructed, commanded to observe Sabbath 7th day....as if they would then keep it since they are only waiting for a command from God ! who are they kidding ? They have NO command to keep sunday yet they do.

What we have in the NT is JESUS keeping the Sabbath and so will those who follow Him and walk with Him....when you do that you don't need to be 'told, instructed or commanded to do so. All their claim to 'love Jesus' yet not walking with Him is 'total hyprocisy !!!


You see, moving on from the OT when people were commanded to 'obey God under pain of death' we now in the NT have a far better way, a new and living way of actually walking with Christ who kept all His Fathers Commandments. That is surely something worth taking up !!!

 

[LoveGodForever]

It is very interesting how 'christians stress the fact we are not 'told, instructed, commanded to observe Sabbath 7th day....as if they would then keep it since they are only waiting for a command from God ! who are they kidding ? They have NO command to keep sunday yet they do.

What we have in the NT is JESUS keeping the Sabbath and so will those who follow Him and walk with Him....when you do that you don't need to be 'told, instructed or commanded to do so. All their claim to 'love Jesus' yet not walking with Him is 'total hyprocisy !!!

You see, moving on from the OT when people were commanded to 'obey God under pain of death' we now in the NT have a far better way, a new and living way of actually walking with Christ who kept all His Fathers Commandments. That is surely something worth taking up !!!

Hi Beta,

Absolutely, the sad thing is that they have already been given the commandment. Why would God need to give it again . If they do not believe God the first time why would the believe God the second time. Any excuse not to follow God's Word.

God bless