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I'm not falling for your "Do you love Jesus?" spiritual manipulation as I have told you many times. You are wasting your time.
This is simply an attempt to say that your false doctrine that a Christian that doesn't follow the Sabbath as in the Old Testament is sinning and dis-obedient to God and "if I loved Jesus - I would do the Sabbath as in the Old Testament.
You can keep your works of the flesh called witchcraft ( Gal. 5:19 ) - we won't fall for them my friend.
As far as the commandments of Jesus - John told us exactly what they are - and guess what - there was no Judaizing in them where we are sinning and dis-obeying God if we don't observe the Sabbath as in the Old Testament.
1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
I encourage you to start believing in Christ and what He has already done for you in the New Covenant. Come out of the shadows of the Old and drink the new wine that is in the New Covenant.
The law is a very poor substitute for Christ Himself. You can't have a relationship with a "shadow" and in your attempts to do so - miss the real substance which is Christ Himself.
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Nice try. But just calling it Gods Law doesn't make it so. It is still the law of Moses as far as everywhere in the bible is concerned.
Now if you have a bunch of Judaizers and legalists trying to justify their work at the law then sure you can try to twist it into Gods Law. But Gods Law is much greater than peoples understanding, and consequential work, at the 10 commandments.
2 Corinthians 3:7-8
[FONT="]7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
IF Gods Law was the 10 commandments then why is it called the ministration of Death and Condemnation.[/FONT]
Romans 8:2 [FONT="]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[/FONT]If it was Gods Law that was the 10 commandments why would Jesus Christ make us free from it?
Its because its not Gods Law. It is what is given to people who reject Grace.
Gods Law is actually the opposite of commandments that must be worked at and obeyed. Gods Law is Provision and Grace and Love. Not something to work at. Not something that requires obedience and understanding. It just requires faith.
I will answer my own question:
23 [FONT="]And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us[/FONT][FONT="][e][/FONT][FONT="] commandment. 1 John 3:23
(although Bruce beat me to the punchline!)[/FONT]
Great question! What does God's Word say?.............
Mat 22: 36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38, This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Mat 22:40, On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
This is nothing new Jesus is quoting from the Old Testament? (Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18). It was new to God's people because they were not keeping His Law from love (the fruit of the Spirit we spoke about earlier that can only be given to us by faith in Jesus)
Here is exactly the same question asked Jesus but from a different perspective...
Mat 19:16, And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17, And he said unto him, Why call me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou will enter into life, keep the commandments. (what commandments is Jesus talking about?)
Mat 19:18, He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Mat 19:20, The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21, Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
That's why Jesus says if you love me Keep my commandments (John 14:15)
Hope this helps
God bless you
Hi Grace777
I believe all the scriptures in your post from God's Word. Did you read the funny post I sent you this morning (my time?) I was just wondering why you keep talking about the same things all the time......
It seems by all the things you have been saying that it is OK for me to steal your car, murder your wife, or take the Lords name in vain? If I obey these commandments am I forgetting that Jesus has given me salvation by faith? When I keep the 7th Day Sabbath as God commanded to be righteous before God it is useless because all my righteousness is as filthy rags, but according to some here even if I obey Gods Law because I love God I am condemned as being under the works of the Law and a Judiazer. All we are doing is the same as those that choose not to murder or steal and that is because we love God. Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15)
Its always been about Jesus with me my friend because I love him. Do you love Jesus Grace777 ?God bless you my friend
Hi Grandpa,
How are you today? There is no trying on my part my friend. You either believe God's Word or you do not. I choose to believe God's Word what about you? We are all free to do whatever we like and at the end of the day we only answer to Jesus when our time is up.
God bless you
You do realize that there is a "New Covenant"?
My goodness you really have no idea about the gospel of the grace of God in Christ yet. Are you ever going to be filled with wonder at the revelation of Christ Himself when repentance is granted for you to see Him for who He truly is and what He has already done.
Read this again.....it'll help you to see Christ for who He truly is and perhaps God will grant your repentance soon to actually start believing in Christ Himself.
Absolutely! It is was foretold in the Old Testament and the New Testament in God's Word.... lets ready it
"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more." (Heb 8:10-12) This is the promise of LOVE the fruit of the spirit which enables the believer to keep God's Law.
Did you know Paul was quoting from the Old Testament?
"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." (Jer 31:33-34)
This is why I ask you all if you Love Jesus because it is only through faith by the operation of God that we can follow Jesus and is the reason Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15).
Ok time for some lunch have fun folks
God bless you
Absolutely! It is was foretold in the Old Testament and the New Testament in God's Word.... lets ready it
"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more." (Heb 8:10-12) This is the promise of LOVE the fruit of the spirit which enables the believer to keep God's Law.
Did you know Paul was quoting from the Old Testament?
"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." (Jer 31:33-34)
This is why I ask you all if you Love Jesus because it is only through faith by the operation of God that we can follow Jesus and is the reason Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15).
Ok time for some lunch have fun folks
God bless you
Here is a great article that speaks about what is written on our hearts now that we are in Christ. I like to use this website as it has at the bottom a place where you can ask questions and sometimes I learn from that area a lot.
The Law Written on Our Hearts is not the Ten Commandments
This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,” says the Lord. “I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” (Heb 10:16)
“This is obviously a reference to the law of Moses,” says the law-preacher. “The Ten Commandments were written in stone, now they’re written in the hearts and minds of God’s people.”
Not true. Here are seventeen reasons why God has not written the Ten Commandments on your heart:
1. The law inflames sin (Rom 5:20) and the strength of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Why would God want to stir up sin in your life?
2. The law condemns (2 Cor 3:9), yet there is no condemnation to those in Christ.
3. The law ministers death (2 Cor 3:7), but God wants you to enjoy abundant life.
4. Law and grace don’t mix. You are under grace, not law (Rom 6:14).
5. Living by the law will alienate you from Christ (Gal 5:4).
6. Living by the law is cheating on Jesus (Rom 7:1-6). Why would God do anything to encourage spiritual adultery?
7. We’re to live by faith but the law is not of faith (Gal 3:12). The law encourages us to depend on ourselves instead of Jesus.
8. Those who live under the law are under a curse (Gal 3:10). Why would God curse those he has blessed?
9. The law binds and enslaves (Rom 7:6), but Jesus wants you free.
10. The law keeps you immature for it makes nothing perfect or complete (Heb 7:19).
11. We have died to the law so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and “not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).
12. When there has been a change of priesthood, the law must be changed also (Heb 7:12). For God to write the old law on our hearts would be like saying Aaron is greater than Jesus.
13. God found fault with the law-keeping covenant and made it obsolete (Heb 8:7,13). Why would God insult his Son’s sacrifice by giving you the very thing his sacrifice rendered obsolete?
14. The law is a shadow of the good things to come and not the reality (Heb 10:1). Why would God give you the shadow instead of “the good thing”?
15. The Jews considered the law to be ordained by angels (Heb 2:2). If so, says the author of Hebrews, then it is inferior to the gospel of Jesus (Heb 1:4). Why would God give you an inferior gift?
16. Some Christians think that God gives them the law as a guide to live by, but why would God want you to repeat the mistake of the Galatians (Gal 3:2)? Why would God do anything to make you fall from grace?
17. The old law-keeping covenant required an accounting or remembering of sin, but the new covenant is characterized by God forgiving and forgetting on account of Jesus (Heb 10:17). If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, then Jesus died for nothing.
If God has written the Ten Commandments on your heart and mind, you should be able to list all ten with no trouble. Can you? What’s the seventh commandment? You can’t do it because it’s not there, and a very good thing that is too! If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, you’re in big trouble.
The good news is that God has written in us a far better law. What is this new and better law?
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...-commandments/
Hey Grace777 nice post. What is repentance?
God bless you my friend
Repentance is changing the way you think to rely on the law of Moses to rely on what Christ has done and to start to believe the gospel.
Notice that all those law-abiding Jews were told by Jesus to "repent and believe in the gospel"
Mark 1:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,
[SUP]15 [/SUP] and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."
We can't be left hanging here about what or rather Who is written on our hearts now that we are in Christ.
What is this new law that is written on our hearts seeing as we know it's not the ten commandments in the form given in the Law.
What is this New Covenant that Ezekiel is prophesying about that was to come and now is here manifested in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection?
What is the Law Written on Our Hearts?
Six-hundred years before Jesus came, the prophet Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant that God would make with his people:
“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.” (Jer 31:33-34)
What is the law that God writes on our hearts and minds? Here are three things it is not:
So what is this law that the Lord writes on our hearts and minds and embeds in our very being?
It is Christ Himself.
Let’s look at three things the New Testament says about the new law in our hearts.
1. The law of love
A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34)
Under the old law covenant, love was demanded from you. “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.”
But under the new covenant of grace, love is given to you – “As I have loved you” – and out of the overflow of Christ’s measureless love we are able to love others.
How does it happen?
God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. (Rom 5:5)
God abundantly pours his love into our hearts by giving us the Holy Spirit, a.k.a. the Spirit of Christ. Do you see the difference between the old and new?
2. The law of the Spirit of life
It’s important that you understand the difference between the old law (a written code you can’t keep) and the new Law (Christ himself, living in you). Try and live by the old laws, as Paul did, and it make you miserable:
What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? (Rom 7:24)
Paul couldn’t keep the old law no matter how hard he tried. He needed a new law and that new law is a Who:
Who will rescue me…? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom 7:24-25a)
Do you see? The old law is a what; the new law is a Who. The old law ministers condemnation and death (2 Cor 3:7-9), but the new “law of the Spirit gives life” (Rom 8:2).
For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. (2 Cor 3:6)
Who gives life? Not a set of rules, but the Spirit of Christ within you. The new law is a Who.
3. The perfect law of liberty
James wrote of “the perfect law that gives freedom” (Jas 1:25), which can be contrasted with the law of Moses that binds (Rom 7:6).
What is the perfect law that gives freedom? Well, what is the implanted word that can save you (Jas 1:21)? It’s not the Ten Commandments or the Bible. It’s Jesus, the living Word who sets us free.
The perfect law of liberty describes what Jesus has done (perfectly fulfilled or completed the law) and the fruit he will bear in our lives (liberty) if we trust him.
But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it – not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it – they will be blessed in what they do. (Jas 1:25)
Look into the mirror of Moses’ law and you will be miserable, for it exposes all your faults. But look into the perfect law which is Jesus and you will be blessed, for it reveals His righteousness.
“Don’t just listen but do what it (the perfect law of liberty) says” (Jas 1:22). In other words, allow the Spirit of Christ to convince you that in him you are righteous and holy.
Don’t walk away from the perfect law and forget who you are in Christ. Fix your eyes on Jesus. Look intently with an unveiled face and be transformed into his likeness.
The Law written in our hearts is Jesus
Jeremiah said those who had the new law written on their hearts would know the Lord and would no longer need others to teach them. This is describing your union with Christ. One with the Lord you have the mind of Christ (1 Cor 2:16). His Spirit dwells in you and teaches you all things (John 14:26).
The law of the Lord written into your members is your Father’s spiritual DNA. It is the seed of God birthed in you by the Holy Spirit. It’s Jesus Himself.
How do you know He’s there? Because you are a new creation with new hopes and desires. You no longer want to sin. Your desire is to love God and others and that desire has nothing to do with old rules written in stone.
Christian, you are who you are because Christ lives in you. He is the new law written, by God, in your heart and mind.
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...on-our-hearts/
What is this new law that is written on our hearts seeing as we know it's not the ten commandments in the form given in the Law.
What is this New Covenant that Ezekiel is prophesying about that was to come and now is here manifested in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection?
What is the Law Written on Our Hearts?
Six-hundred years before Jesus came, the prophet Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant that God would make with his people:
“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.” (Jer 31:33-34)
What is the law that God writes on our hearts and minds? Here are three things it is not:
- It is not the law of Moses. As we saw in the last post, if God wrote the Ten Commandments on our hearts then Jesus died for nothing.
- It is not a new and improved version of the law. It is not the new commands of Jesus or the New Testament. We cannot please God by keeping a new law any more than we could please him by keeping an old one.
- It is not the knowledge of right and wrong that was bestowed upon us – against the Lord’s wishes – by Adam.
So what is this law that the Lord writes on our hearts and minds and embeds in our very being?
It is Christ Himself.
Let’s look at three things the New Testament says about the new law in our hearts.
1. The law of love
A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34)
Under the old law covenant, love was demanded from you. “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.”
But under the new covenant of grace, love is given to you – “As I have loved you” – and out of the overflow of Christ’s measureless love we are able to love others.
How does it happen?
God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. (Rom 5:5)
God abundantly pours his love into our hearts by giving us the Holy Spirit, a.k.a. the Spirit of Christ. Do you see the difference between the old and new?
- Under the old, the law was a rule for weak men to obey. Under the new, the Law is the Spirit of Christ given to us, loving us, and loving others through us.
- Under the old, you loved others because you feared punishment. But under the new, you love because a Lover lives in you and it is his nature to love.
- Under the old, you had to make an effort to obey. But under the new you have to make an effort to disobey. It’s a whole new way of life.
2. The law of the Spirit of life
It’s important that you understand the difference between the old law (a written code you can’t keep) and the new Law (Christ himself, living in you). Try and live by the old laws, as Paul did, and it make you miserable:
What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? (Rom 7:24)
Paul couldn’t keep the old law no matter how hard he tried. He needed a new law and that new law is a Who:
Who will rescue me…? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom 7:24-25a)
Do you see? The old law is a what; the new law is a Who. The old law ministers condemnation and death (2 Cor 3:7-9), but the new “law of the Spirit gives life” (Rom 8:2).
For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. (2 Cor 3:6)
Who gives life? Not a set of rules, but the Spirit of Christ within you. The new law is a Who.
3. The perfect law of liberty
James wrote of “the perfect law that gives freedom” (Jas 1:25), which can be contrasted with the law of Moses that binds (Rom 7:6).
What is the perfect law that gives freedom? Well, what is the implanted word that can save you (Jas 1:21)? It’s not the Ten Commandments or the Bible. It’s Jesus, the living Word who sets us free.
The perfect law of liberty describes what Jesus has done (perfectly fulfilled or completed the law) and the fruit he will bear in our lives (liberty) if we trust him.
But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it – not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it – they will be blessed in what they do. (Jas 1:25)
Look into the mirror of Moses’ law and you will be miserable, for it exposes all your faults. But look into the perfect law which is Jesus and you will be blessed, for it reveals His righteousness.
“Don’t just listen but do what it (the perfect law of liberty) says” (Jas 1:22). In other words, allow the Spirit of Christ to convince you that in him you are righteous and holy.
Don’t walk away from the perfect law and forget who you are in Christ. Fix your eyes on Jesus. Look intently with an unveiled face and be transformed into his likeness.
The Law written in our hearts is Jesus
Jeremiah said those who had the new law written on their hearts would know the Lord and would no longer need others to teach them. This is describing your union with Christ. One with the Lord you have the mind of Christ (1 Cor 2:16). His Spirit dwells in you and teaches you all things (John 14:26).
The law of the Lord written into your members is your Father’s spiritual DNA. It is the seed of God birthed in you by the Holy Spirit. It’s Jesus Himself.
How do you know He’s there? Because you are a new creation with new hopes and desires. You no longer want to sin. Your desire is to love God and others and that desire has nothing to do with old rules written in stone.
Christian, you are who you are because Christ lives in you. He is the new law written, by God, in your heart and mind.
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...on-our-hearts/
Grace777,
You are a funny one. You seem to be playing the same old tunes with your cut and pastes. Did you forget that I already answered this post way back somewhere in this same thread. Do you have anything new to post?
God bless you
And what happens if you do not observe the Sabbath?Hi Grace777
I believe all the scriptures in your post from God's Word. Did you read the funny post I sent you this morning (my time?) I was just wondering why you keep talking about the same things all the time......
It seems by all the things you have been saying that it is OK for me to steal your car, murder your wife, or take the Lords name in vain? If I obey these commandments am I forgetting that Jesus has given me salvation by faith? When I keep the 7th Day Sabbath as God commanded to be righteous before God it is useless because all my righteousness is as filthy rags, but according to some here even if I obey Gods Law because I love God I am condemned as being under the works of the Law and a Judiazer. All we are doing is the same as those that choose not to murder or steal and that is because we love God. Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15)
God bless you my friend
By your own words - condemned under the law!
How different from the Gospel of grace:
[FONT="]8 [/FONT][FONT="]For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]9 [/FONT][FONT="]not of works, lest anyone should boast.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="] Eph 2:8-9
No amount of works or observance gives righteousness.
Only the gracious gift of God!
Trying the angle that because we love God we must observe the Sabbath (or whatever - it makes no difference), and if we don't then that condemns us does indeed make you an heretical Judaizer.
You do not love Jesus Christ because you do not believe that what He did on the cross is sufficient!
Grace plus works, grace plus Sabbath-observance is NOT grace!
Indeed you spit contempt in the face of Jesus![/FONT]
I believe we have said enough in this thread in order to warn new Christians about this Judaizing spirit that says Christians are sinning and dis-obeying God if they don't observe the Sabbath day as in the Old Testament.
Jesus alone is our true Sabbath rest and all the scriptures of the shadows of the law are revealed in the substance of Christ Himself.
To continue to interact is going to be a complete waste of time and we can leave it all in the Lord's hands..
Jesus alone is our true Sabbath rest and all the scriptures of the shadows of the law are revealed in the substance of Christ Himself.
To continue to interact is going to be a complete waste of time and we can leave it all in the Lord's hands..
If you have already answered this post, why are you responding again? Don't you have anything new to add? It seems not. Sadly, it really just seems you simply used Grace's post as a jumping off point for you to mock him. Shame on you.Grace777,
You are a funny one. You seem to be playing the same old tunes with your cut and pastes. Did you forget that I already answered this post way back somewhere in this same thread. Do you have anything new to post?
God bless you
No my friend repentance is turning away from disobedience (sin) and not believing Gods Word and sin is transgression of God's Law. Repentance is a sorry for sin and turning away from it.
"I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent." (Luke 15:7-10) (see also Luke 5:32; 13:3; Heb 6:1; Ez 18:30-32; Mark 12:17; Matt 3:8; 17:3-4; 31:32; Acts 3:18-19;1JOhn 3:4; Prov 38:13; 2Pet 3:9; 2Chron 7:14; )
What is the Gospel?
God bless you my friend
This is where you make another mistake. None of it is my words my good friend. It is God's Word and if it is God's Word you should believe him. Did you read that funny post I sent earlier?
It seems by all the things you have been saying that it is OK for me to steal your car, murder your wife, or take the Lords name in vain? If I obey these commandments am I forgetting that Jesus has given me salvation by faith? When I keep the 7th Day Sabbath as God commanded to be righteous before God it is useless because all my righteousness is as filthy rags, but according to some here even if I obey Gods Law because I love God I am condemned as being under the works of the Law and a Judiazer. All we are doing is the same as those that choose not to murder or steal and that is because we love God. Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15)
Its always been about Jesus with me my friend because I love him. Do you love Jesus?God bless you