Russia offers generous terms to Ukraine

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JStates

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Russia has just offered peace terms to Ukraine, saying they will end the conflict "in a second" if these terms are met:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/breaking-russia-offers-terms-ukraine-end-hostilities/

These terms are exceedingly generous.
(1) Change Ukraine's constitution so they must remain a neutral nation, not joining any bloc of nations.
(2) Recognize Crimea as Russian territory.
(3) Recognize the breakaway republics of Donetsk and Lugansk as independent states.

These are the best terms that Russia will likely offer and Ukraine should take them as they are, since they are beneficial for both nations.

Concerning (1), Putin wants a reasonable buffer between Europe and Russia since the NATO allies have been moving weapons systems into bordering nations for some time. Russia has always been open and straightforward with the West that it sees such action as a precursor to an attack on Russia and a perpetual veiled threat. This is a solution that retains Ukraine's identity as a sovereign nation while giving the Russians the peace of mind and space they need.

Concerning (2), Russia has only one warm-water port (a port which does not freeze over in winter) and their standing in the international economy depends upon it. Controlling the Crimean Peninsula in Russia's view is a key factor in being able to secure the area around Novorossiysk. Control over and access to Crimea is not something that the Russians will be willing to back down on. If there is any pushback on Putin's peace terms, perhaps it can be with this term (2) if the Russians and Ukrainians can negotiate a joint custody over the Crimea.

Concerning (3), Ukraine has been bitterly divided internally for some time. Numerous revolutions within my lifetime. Ukrainians killing Ukrainians before Putin ever crossed the border. Having independent states between Russia and Ukraine gives the divided people of Ukraine a choice of where they would like to live. Unity at all costs is not always strength and does not lead to prosperity. Sometimes when the whole is divided in principles and culture, it is time for an amicable separation. (Just look at the United States of America. I feel the same about this nation; it is time for some states to secede from the so-called "Union")

Personally I feel these terms are very reasonable and that Ukraine should jump at the chance to end this conflict and possibly prevent future ones via these peace terms. Unfortunately there is a globalist agenda at work in Ukraine and I believe the conflict will be intentionally escalated.

Psa 120:7 I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.
 
ZNP

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If Ukraine agrees to these terms aren't then nothing more than a vassal state to Russia totally dependent on Russia?
 
JohnDB

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JStates said:
Russia has just offered peace terms to Ukraine, saying they will end the conflict "in a second" if these terms are met:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/breaking-russia-offers-terms-ukraine-end-hostilities/

These terms are exceedingly generous.
(1) Change Ukraine's constitution so they must remain a neutral nation, not joining any bloc of nations.
(2) Recognize Crimea as Russian territory.
(3) Recognize the breakaway republics of Donetsk and Lugansk as independent states.

These are the best terms that Russia will likely offer and Ukraine should take them as they are, since they are beneficial for both nations.

Concerning (1), Putin wants a reasonable buffer between Europe and Russia since the NATO allies have been moving weapons systems into bordering nations for some time. Russia has always been open and straightforward with the West that it sees such action as a precursor to an attack on Russia and a perpetual veiled threat. This is a solution that retains Ukraine's identity as a sovereign nation while giving the Russians the peace of mind and space they need.

Concerning (2), Russia has only one warm-water port (a port which does not freeze over in winter) and their standing in the international economy depends upon it. Controlling the Crimean Peninsula in Russia's view is a key factor in being able to secure the area around Novorossiysk. Control over and access to Crimea is not something that the Russians will be willing to back down on. If there is any pushback on Putin's peace terms, perhaps it can be with this term (2) if the Russians and Ukrainians can negotiate a joint custody over the Crimea.

Concerning (3), Ukraine has been bitterly divided internally for some time. Numerous revolutions within my lifetime. Ukrainians killing Ukrainians before Putin ever crossed the border. Having independent states between Russia and Ukraine gives the divided people of Ukraine a choice of where they would like to live. Unity at all costs is not always strength and does not lead to prosperity. Sometimes when the whole is divided in principles and culture, it is time for an amicable separation. (Just look at the United States of America. I feel the same about this nation; it is time for some states to secede from the so-called "Union")

Personally I feel these terms are very reasonable and that Ukraine should jump at the chance to end this conflict and possibly prevent future ones via these peace terms. Unfortunately there is a globalist agenda at work in Ukraine and I believe the conflict will be intentionally escalated.

Psa 120:7 I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.
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Soooo

Crimea AND the Ukrainians get to become or remain Russian Conscripts (usually referred to as SLAVES) and all hostilities will stop as soon as they change the constitution to what Russia says it can say.

Yeah...

I see how pro-slavery you are with this.

You sign up to be a Russian slave first Mmkay?
 
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JStates said:
Personally I feel these terms are very reasonable and that Ukraine should jump at the chance to end this conflict and possibly prevent future ones via these peace terms. Unfortunately there is a globalist agenda at work in Ukraine and I believe the conflict will be intentionally escalated.

Psa 120:7 I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.
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I agree with all you've written and am especially concerned that you are right in this statement.
 
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JStates said:
These terms are exceedingly generous.
(1) Change Ukraine's constitution so they must remain a neutral nation, not joining any bloc of nations.
(2) Recognize Crimea as Russian territory.
(3) Recognize the breakaway republics of Donetsk and Lugansk as independent states.

These are the best terms that Russia will likely offer and Ukraine should take them as they are, since they are beneficial for both nations.
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This is TOTAL NONSENSE and Zelensky should absolutely refuse these terms. Who is Putin to tell another nation whether they will remain neutral or not? Putin stole Crimea and now wants legalize his theft! And he created Donetsk and Lugansk out of Ukraine for his own benefit, so why would Ukraine agree? This would be like Cuba telling the United States that Florida is now a part of Cuba because Cubans have flooded Florida.
 
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Day 13 of the invasion of the Ukraine by Russia.

Many innocents flee throught UK.
Gas prices keep rising!
 
Butterflyyy

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And they say grain prices will go through the roof which sounds about right according to Scripture...God is in control... He says He will provide for His people in famine... best thing is to make sure you are close to Him and at peace.
 
JohnDB

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What's coming up soon is going to be yet another sticky situation.

Russia is heavily in debt to PRC. They have been having trouble in the past with making payments. PRC, while having a lot of assets doesn't have a lot of actual cash anymore due to some earlier mistakes. (Like lending it to other nations)

So the PRC is needing Russia to pay it's debts but because of the condition of the Ruble (free fall hyperinflation) it can't pay it's debts.

And considering the lack of retaliation by the Whole World (especially the USA) has done about Russia enslaving Ukraine the PRC now feels license and justified in taking Taiwan and doing the exact same thing. It will be making headlines next.

Welcome to the new world order.
 
Lanolin

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hmm well it it just a debt problem the world bank or whatver it is should just forgive! (the PRC isnt the world's bank btw)
It would end a lot of needless wars that way.

Everyone can start over with a clean slate.

The borrower is servant to the lender. But you know the Lords prayer says to forgive our debts as we forgive those who have debts against us.

I dont think people need to worry over PRC. PRC has never really waged war with any other country, the ones they most fight are actually amongst themselves. They had the Great wall of china to stop the Mongols, though it was ineffective. When the Japanese invaded, they could not do much. I dont think they even seriously wanted to take over Tibet, they saw it as liberation , since Tibet was so poor. All other foreign countries they gave leases and concessions...they actually helped other countries with their railroads, providing goods etc.

when people are anti-China and accuse it of bringing covid, to the world well that is also a bit off. A lot of christians are in China and they dont even have official churches because its all underground. That means no mega churches or boasting they are christians unlike some nations and being hypocritical about it.

what will happen is that China will buy Russias wheat to make noodles, and Russia will be able to ship thm easily to China via the railroad, so if the EU and NATO wants to make a big stink about Russia then it will just look East instead of West.

I dont run a country, but I know enough about playground politics to understand why people do what they do. If some big kid is lashing out on others for seemingly no reason, there will always be something behind it all. often is because they are really just tired and hungry.
 
Butterflyyy

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Yup...that’s what it says
 
JohnDB

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Lanolin said:
hmm well it it just a debt problem the world bank or whatver it is should just forgive! (the PRC isnt the world's bank btw)
It would end a lot of needless wars that way.

Everyone can start over with a clean slate.

The borrower is servant to the lender. But you know the Lords prayer says to forgive our debts as we forgive those who have debts against us.

I dont think people need to worry over PRC. PRC has never really waged war with any other country, the ones they most fight are actually amongst themselves. They had the Great wall of china to stop the Mongols, though it was ineffective. When the Japanese invaded, they could not do much. I dont think they even seriously wanted to take over Tibet, they saw it as liberation , since Tibet was so poor. All other foreign countries they gave leases and concessions...they actually helped other countries with their railroads, providing goods etc.

when people are anti-China and accuse it of bringing covid, to the world well that is also a bit off. A lot of christians are in China and they dont even have official churches because its all underground. That means no mega churches or boasting they are christians unlike some nations and being hypocritical about it.

what will happen is that China will buy Russias wheat to make noodles, and Russia will be able to ship thm easily to China via the railroad, so if the EU and NATO wants to make a big stink about Russia then it will just look East instead of West.

I dont run a country, but I know enough about playground politics to understand why people do what they do. If some big kid is lashing out on others for seemingly no reason, there will always be something behind it all. often is because they are really just tired and hungry.
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Actually.

Because Russia has started a war in the middle of spring planting season there will be no wheat. Ukraine grew most of Russia's wheat. Until they got attacked and grew nothing.

It's over as far as groceries are concerned.
 
Lanolin

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what, they dont have potatoes as a back up?
Having no wheat isnt the end of the world.
 
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