Rewriting history is both stupid and dishonest

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Nehemiah6

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[NOTE: THIS IS BEING POSTED IN THE FAMILY FORUM SINCE FAMILIES ARE BEING IMPACTED BY RADICAL LEFTIST LUNACY]

The anarchists (of whatever stripe) in America and the Western world are now trying to rewrite history by destroying all the statues and monuments (including defacing the Monument of the Unknown Soldier), wherever they are located. And the cowardly, feckless, self-serving Western politicians are simply standing by with their mouths open, and doing absolutely nothing.

Even the Founding Fathers of America have been attacked, while Congress, the Senate, the Presidency, and the Judiciary have all stood by and watched the savages perpetrate their savagery and vandalism. The next thing to be trampled underfoot and burned to the ground will be the American flag (wherever it flies) as well as the Constitution. The enemies of America (who are legion) must be simply laughing their heads off. But they must also be noting that Americans now HATE America – the land of the free and the home of the brave.

The cold, hard fact is that history cannot be rewritten. Every country in the world was either a conqueror or the conquered, and it went back and forth. And there is absolutely no ethnic group which has not been racist.

Blacks in the past have been racist against other blacks as seen in the Rwandan genocide: “During the Rwandan genocide of 1994, members of the Hutu ethnic majority in the east-central African nation of Rwanda murdered as many as 800,000 people, mostly of the Tutsi minority. .. By the time the Tutsi-led Rwandese Patriotic Front gained control of the country through a military offensive in early July, hundreds of thousands of Rwandans were dead and 2 million refugees (mainly Hutus) fled Rwanda, exacerbating what had already become a full-blown humanitarian crisis.” Both ethnic groups slaughtered each other. The Hutus were black and so were the Tutsis. That did not stop the savages from killing and torturing each other.

So any talk about reparations would have to go all the way back to Cain and Abel. There is not a single country (not even the Native Americans or Indians) in which people were not either killing or enslaving others or being killed and enslaved. And actually reparations for American blacks have been made generously over the last sixty years, and the dollar value would be in the billions (either through Affirmative Action or other social and education programs), But as the saying goes “You give an inch, and they want a yard”.

However, America was founded on the principles that all men are equal, and that there would be liberty and justice for all. No other country was founded on these principles, but there is no question that administration after administration betrayed those principles. And almost all politicians after the Founding Fathers were simply self-serving rascals.

Nonethess, between 1964 and 2020, blacks in America had made tremendous progress and were being accepted as equals throughout the land. The Senate noted this progress as shown below:

"The Economic State of Black America in 2020
Over the past half-century, Black Americans have made substantial social and economic progress, gaining political rights that long had been denied to them, entering professions from which they had been blocked and largely overcoming centuries of overt racism and oppression. While there were only five Black Members of Congress when the Civil Rights Act became law in 1964, there currently are 56 Black Members of Congress, including 12% of the House of Representatives.

Black activists, scholars, and social commentators have raised awareness about the importance of diversity and shaped the national conversation around race and inequality. There has been a proliferation of Black writers, screenwriters, artists, poets, athletes and musicians who have become superstars in their respective fields. And the 21st century saw the election of the first Black American, Barack Obama, as president of the United States.

Millions of Black Americans also have benefited from the opportunities created by the de jure end of Jim Crow, entering the middle class for the first time, earning undergraduate and advanced degrees, receiving higher wages, achieving professional success and raising children who will build on their achievements. Leading indicators of economic prosperity and other measures of well-being also have trended upward for most of this period, with increased life expectancy, increased household incomes and substantial gains in educational attainment."
https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/ccf4dbe2-810a-44f8-b3e7-14f7e5143ba6/economic-state-of-black-america-2020.pdf

Only fools believe that Radical Leftist policies, anarchy, rioting, looting, vandalism, defacement of statutes, monuments, and buildings, will achieve anything (other than hatred for the perpetrators). Yet no one seems to be stepping up, taking charge, quelling the riots, and re-establishing law and order.
 
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Knowing how God dealt with Israel, sending the Babylonians to execute judgment on them, so I can see how this can be an instrument of judgment against this nation that has strayed further and further away from the truth of the Bible; errecting altars on every high hill (multiple church sects). All making the word of God void and of non effect in some way or another.

The wheat and the tares will be separated one day and many there will be that will be in for rude awakening.

These are the beginnings of things that will surely come to pass; and woe unto those Christians that have daubed with untempered mortar in that day.
 
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[NOTE: THIS IS BEING POSTED IN THE FAMILY FORUM SINCE FAMILIES ARE BEING IMPACTED BY RADICAL LEFTIST LUNACY]

The anarchists (of whatever stripe) in America and the Western world are now trying to rewrite history by destroying all the statues and monuments (including defacing the Monument of the Unknown Soldier), wherever they are located. And the cowardly, feckless, self-serving Western politicians are simply standing by with their mouths open, and doing absolutely nothing.

Even the Founding Fathers of America have been attacked, while Congress, the Senate, the Presidency, and the Judiciary have all stood by and watched the savages perpetrate their savagery and vandalism. The next thing to be trampled underfoot and burned to the ground will be the American flag (wherever it flies) as well as the Constitution. The enemies of America (who are legion) must be simply laughing their heads off. But they must also be noting that Americans now HATE America – the land of the free and the home of the brave.

The cold, hard fact is that history cannot be rewritten. Every country in the world was either a conqueror or the conquered, and it went back and forth. And there is absolutely no ethnic group which has not been racist.

Blacks in the past have been racist against other blacks as seen in the Rwandan genocide: “During the Rwandan genocide of 1994, members of the Hutu ethnic majority in the east-central African nation of Rwanda murdered as many as 800,000 people, mostly of the Tutsi minority. .. By the time the Tutsi-led Rwandese Patriotic Front gained control of the country through a military offensive in early July, hundreds of thousands of Rwandans were dead and 2 million refugees (mainly Hutus) fled Rwanda, exacerbating what had already become a full-blown humanitarian crisis.” Both ethnic groups slaughtered each other. The Hutus were black and so were the Tutsis. That did not stop the savages from killing and torturing each other.

So any talk about reparations would have to go all the way back to Cain and Abel. There is not a single country (not even the Native Americans or Indians) in which people were not either killing or enslaving others or being killed and enslaved. And actually reparations for American blacks have been made generously over the last sixty years, and the dollar value would be in the billions (either through Affirmative Action or other social and education programs), But as the saying goes “You give an inch, and they want a yard”.

However, America was founded on the principles that all men are equal, and that there would be liberty and justice for all. No other country was founded on these principles, but there is no question that administration after administration betrayed those principles. And almost all politicians after the Founding Fathers were simply self-serving rascals.

Nonethess, between 1964 and 2020, blacks in America had made tremendous progress and were being accepted as equals throughout the land. The Senate noted this progress as shown below:

"The Economic State of Black America in 2020
Over the past half-century, Black Americans have made substantial social and economic progress, gaining political rights that long had been denied to them, entering professions from which they had been blocked and largely overcoming centuries of overt racism and oppression. While there were only five Black Members of Congress when the Civil Rights Act became law in 1964, there currently are 56 Black Members of Congress, including 12% of the House of Representatives.

Black activists, scholars, and social commentators have raised awareness about the importance of diversity and shaped the national conversation around race and inequality. There has been a proliferation of Black writers, screenwriters, artists, poets, athletes and musicians who have become superstars in their respective fields. And the 21st century saw the election of the first Black American, Barack Obama, as president of the United States.

Millions of Black Americans also have benefited from the opportunities created by the de jure end of Jim Crow, entering the middle class for the first time, earning undergraduate and advanced degrees, receiving higher wages, achieving professional success and raising children who will build on their achievements. Leading indicators of economic prosperity and other measures of well-being also have trended upward for most of this period, with increased life expectancy, increased household incomes and substantial gains in educational attainment."https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_...3ba6/economic-state-of-black-america-2020.pdf

Only fools believe that Radical Leftist policies, anarchy, rioting, looting, vandalism, defacement of statutes, monuments, and buildings, will achieve anything (other than hatred for the perpetrators). Yet no one seems to be stepping up, taking charge, quelling the riots, and re-establishing law and order.
I know what you are talking about. The right is creating all these meaningless distractions while all the
time electing 200 republican judges. Giving billionaires a free pass on contributing to America. The media really needs to get over this b.s.! really? 8 day's of new's coverage for one confrontation? I for one would never think of throwing a punch at an officer. I know the consequences. How ever good, bad, right or wrong, they are the law. We need to stay the coarse and get rid of this idiot in office...
 

Dino246

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I don't see how any of this is "rewriting history".
 
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Republican and Democrat are working together as 2 opposing forces to cover the different beliefs of people.

And America was set up to represent the different beliefs of the world.

And then they would bring them together as one, and the world will come together.

People keep arguing over the 2 political parties but they want the same thing.

The American government wants the protests, and the louder the better, and the more chaotic and destructive the better.

This way they can prove to the people that freedoms do not work.

And then they will crack down on the people, and go to a different form of government, and there is no more Republican and Democrat party.

Everybody will be equal, economically, men and women, ethnic group, social status, and they only get their needs, and no more division to cause them to fight.

They will seize all bank accounts, assets, property, and what people own, and everybody will be equal.

The police will be banned to take away that division of police and citizen, and the people become the police force with social programs, technology for 24 hours a day surveillance, and the people work to stop crime, but no guns are able to be owned at that time.

And what the community cannot handle the military will handle it, but the people will be afraid to commit a crime at that time.

And if a white person cracks down on a black person there is no prejudice for all are equal now.

And it will be because of the people that cried equality, and rioted, and protested, so the American government will change, and say they are justified for doing so.

For the people have spoken.

But since it was the plan all along so America could change they planned it out with people to cause it to escalate., and they knew that no harm would come to them for they were part of the plan, so they could be outspoken, violent, to stir up the people to protest and riot, and they did not worry about it.

The military will feel justified for cracking down on the people for peace, and after America changes to crack down on them for peace.

But since the world came together as one to work for peace on earth they will probably use the Chinese and Russian military to crack down on the people.
 

Nehemiah6

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I don't see how any of this is "rewriting history".
When some blacks are trying to promote the idea that they are all oppressed, and have not received any reparations, and that there is "systemic racism" -- in spite of the fact that that is all nonsense -- then that is indeed trying to rewrite history.

Claiming today that black lives do not matter in the USA, when that is quite untrue, is also rewriting history. The statistics on police shootings over the last five years show that the number of white suspects shot by police are almost DOUBLE the number of blacks. We don't see any whites protesting over this "injustice".

Taking the example of cops who are a few bad apples, and wanting to abolish the police throughout America on that account is sheer lunacy. So when hardened criminals control the cities, evidently black lives will matter. What a farce!

None of this anarchy has anything to do with race. Race is being used as an excuse to destroy America. And all those at all levels of government (and law enforcement) who should have stopped this on day one are sitting back and watching "Rome" burn.
 
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But the wicked are like a troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt (Isaiah 57:20).
 

Dino246

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When some blacks are trying to promote the idea that they are all oppressed, and have not received any reparations, and that there is "systemic racism" -- in spite of the fact that that is all nonsense -- then that is indeed trying to rewrite history.

Claiming today that black lives do not matter in the USA, when that is quite untrue, is also rewriting history. The statistics on police shootings over the last five years show that the number of white suspects shot by police are almost DOUBLE the number of blacks. We don't see any whites protesting over this "injustice".

Taking the example of cops who are a few bad apples, and wanting to abolish the police throughout America on that account is sheer lunacy. So when hardened criminals control the cities, evidently black lives will matter. What a farce!

None of this anarchy has anything to do with race. Race is being used as an excuse to destroy America. And all those at all levels of government (and law enforcement) who should have stopped this on day one are sitting back and watching "Rome" burn.
I simply disagree with your use of "rewriting history". That would involve removing records of certain events from history texts subsequently printed, or adding events that never actually took place.

Removing statues is not rewriting history. Rather, it's the result of re-examining the individual's whole life, not merely their popular achievements. Would you, a resident of Canada, tolerate a statue of Pierre Trudeau, who oversaw the repatriation of the Canadian constitution but also legalized abortion? I hope not.

I agree with regard to reparations; it's unrealistic, narrow-minded, and completely inconsistent with the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" (which, sadly, is becoming the exception in Western jurisprudence). However, demanding reparations also is not "rewriting history".
 
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I know what you are talking about. The right is creating all these meaningless distractions while all the
time electing 200 republican judges. Giving billionaires a free pass on contributing to America. The media really needs to get over this b.s.! really? 8 day's of new's coverage for one confrontation? I for one would never think of throwing a punch at an officer. I know the consequences. How ever good, bad, right or wrong, they are the law. We need to stay the coarse and get rid of this idiot in office...
What are you disagreeing with sheep?
 
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Behold how great the Lord is, he has driven the sluts and their illegitimate children mad with the wine of his wrath and now they are even pulling their own idols down. Yet they will not repent of their fornications and idolatries and there is still so much more wine for them to drink. Let this mingled people of Babylon tear eachother apart, like all sluts and their lovers these wicked generations are to be torn apart by one another. But the few pure men that refused to join Babylon and whom the children of the Whore disdained so much, let them be helped from on High, in the name of Jesus, amen.
 

Nehemiah6

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I simply disagree with your use of "rewriting history". That would involve removing records of certain events from history texts subsequently printed, or adding events that never actually took place.
History is preserved in statues, monuments, and memorials. Since the anarchists are tearing them all down, defacing, and destroying them, what do you think will be the outcome?

Even the Lincoln Memorial and the Tomb of the Unknown Solider have been defaced. And here you are trying to argue with me. As to the textbooks, they have been presenting revisionist history also. The very fact every American institution and value are under attack means that there are people bent on destroying America altogether. America itself will become "history" if someone in DC does not wake up and do something.
 

Silverwings

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“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

― George Orwell, 1984

Parallels have been drawn between the novel's subject matter and real life instances of totalitarianism, communism, mass surveillance, and violations of freedom of expression among other themes
 

Silverwings

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Newspeak is a fictional language (artlang) that appears in the book Nineteen Eighty-Four. It is the official language of Oceania. At the end of his book, George Orwell described Newspeak. It started out as the English language, but the number of words gets smaller each year. The Party are trying to stop people from rebelling, so it destroys words like "freedom" and "love", saying that people can not think of it if there is no word for it. In the society, this is supposed to prevent thoughtcrime, which is thinking against the Party, or thinking about the past. For example, a person could not say "I want to be free", because there was no word for "free" any more, so the person could not describe what he or she was feeling. At the time, it was supposed to make fun of what was later called "politically correct" speech, and "thoughtcrime" made fun of censorship. "Newspeak" is also used for military reasons, such as Oceania's Ministry of Peace (in Newspeak: "Minipax"), really the war department. Words like "Peace", "Truth", "Love", and "Plenty" were used in Newspeak a lot to mean their exact opposites. Another "Newspeak" word, joycamp, means "forced labor camp". Other "Newspeak" words were used for political reasons. Words like "crimethink" were defined by the "Party", and became laws of the land.
 

Silverwings

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The book was an attack on totalitarianism (when a government tries to control people's lives) and dictatorship (rule by one person). George Orwell was a democratic socialist who was against any form of dictatorship. He once wrote:

"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it".[3]
Later he repeated that idea, writing about 1984

as a show-up of the perversions . . . which have already been partly realized in Communism and Fascism [4]
 

Dino246

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History is preserved in statues, monuments, and memorials. Since the anarchists are tearing them all down, defacing, and destroying them, what do you think will be the outcome?

Even the Lincoln Memorial and the Tomb of the Unknown Solider have been defaced. And here you are trying to argue with me. As to the textbooks, they have been presenting revisionist history also. The very fact every American institution and value are under attack means that there are people bent on destroying America altogether. America itself will become "history" if someone in DC does not wake up and do something.
Well, firstly, I'm not American, so what to you is a dire concern about American monuments is only of tertiary interest to me. Secondly, monuments simply are not the only medium in which history is preserved. You're railing against the symptoms and actively denying the root causes.
 

tanakh

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A lesson about rewriting and distorting history can be found in George Orwells novel 1984.
 
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George Orwell and his little fable ain't got nothing on Lord God Most High and his books of truth.

Deuteronomy 7:5

5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Of course, statues can be rebuilt, monuments reconstructed, and buildings rebuilt. But it is the symbolism of America they are attacking. They hate America and America needs to see this as an attack leading to something greater than 9/11 if our government doesn't gain control.
 
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oh how bereft the once mighty nation shall be as she floats upon the sea of no return...
we shall see who is truly bought with Christ's Holy Blood...