Revelation 6:1

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ResidentAlien said:
I'm not Jewish; I'm a Gentile. I don't have Jewish "roots." The roots of my faith are in Christ, not Judaism. But it's good to know you see yourself as having a calling to Judaize others.
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And there you have it saints no Jewish roots but depends on a Jewish messiah who will come back to a Jewish state who picked 12 Jewish apostles to explain how to be Christian.
As the new testament is the old revealed......yeah guess your right you have no Jewish roots. Adopted into God's family? 🤔
 
Journeyman said:
Hello Stan.
I believe Christians should ask "how" the "end times" affect the people of that time and also "why" it happens, because most of what happens has happened to some degree to every generation on earth.
I believe the so called "end times" can be seen in the lives of those whose lives ended before us. Believers are asking "when", instead of recognizing what has always been happening.
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If you’re not familiar with the elect, it is their job to be Watchmans like a canary in the coal mine. We have to be familiar with current events and educated in manipulation techniques. We have to be able to walk with the enemy and their camp and not let it corrupt us like a police working undercover
I believe that if people can see that the Bible lines up to current events, it will then show the world that God is real and he’s giving you one last chance to come around. It is our job at the elect a be the teacher and help those that seem lost because God does not want us to leave anybody behind, although we know most won’t make it.
 
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pottersclay said:
And there you have it saints no Jewish roots but depends on a Jewish messiah who will come back to a Jewish state who picked 12 Jewish apostles to explain how to be Christian.
As the new testament is the old revealed......yeah guess your right you have no Jewish roots. Adopted into God's family?
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Bro, you're welcome to your beliefs, just don't expect me to fall in line.
 
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Stach said:
If you’re not familiar with the elect, it is their job to be Watchmans like a canary in the coal mine. We have to be familiar with current events and educated in manipulation techniques. We have to be able to walk with the enemy and their camp and not let it corrupt us like a police working undercover
I believe that if people can see that the Bible lines up to current events, it will then show the world that God is real and he’s giving you one last chance to come around. It is our job at the elect a be the teacher and help those that seem lost because God does not want us to leave anybody behind, although we know most won’t make it.
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All I'm saying my friend, is that believers from the beginning have been persecuted for their faith and that continues until judgement day.
To know our Savior that way, to love those who don't love us, was Pauls' desire,

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Phl.3:10

He wanted to experience the love Jesus had.....for people who tortured him.

He didn't want to be tortured to death, but Paul did want to genuinely respond with the love of Christ toward anyone who would abuse him. That's just simply the gospel.....Christ (God), withholding his wrath against people who are committing terrible sins against him.

But the point I wanted you to consider, is that Jesus faced the beast (Rome) and conquered it. And believers from every generation are like our Lord, because being threatened with harm doesn't matter what year it occured in.
 
Stach said:
If you’re not familiar with the elect, it is their job to be Watchmans like a canary in the coal mine. We have to be familiar with current events and educated in manipulation techniques. We have to be able to walk with the enemy and their camp and not let it corrupt us like a police working undercover
I believe that if people can see that the Bible lines up to current events, it will then show the world that God is real and he’s giving you one last chance to come around. It is our job at the elect a be the teacher and help those that seem lost because God does not want us to leave anybody behind, although we know most won’t make it.
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Posted somewhat of what you said here on another thread i started. Got so much feedback on the watchmen thing.
Was told there are no such thing as watchmen in the new testament. So be aware😉😉
 
Stach said:
So here’s my two questions and if everybody’s honest, they will really think about it! What about all the people left behind that never heard about Jesus too bad for them? And here’s the big question. What happens if you don’t get rapture will you completely fall apart?
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Well since you do not believe in the Rapture those are questions that you should deal with. The ones who believe in a Pre-tribulation Rapture do not have such questions.

As a matter of fact, in today's world there is not a single person in the world who has not heard about Jesus, or Christ, or Christianity, or Christmas in their own language. How they have responded to that is up to them, but it is totally false to talk about people "who never heard about Jesus". Unbelieving Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Communists, Atheists have all heard about Jesus. Also the Bible is now freely available online in almost every language. So there are no excuses.
 
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Journeyman said:
All I'm saying my friend, is that believers from the beginning have been persecuted for their faith and that continues until judgement day.
To know our Savior that way, to love those who don't love us, was Pauls' desire,

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Phl.3:10

He wanted to experience the love Jesus had.....for people who tortured him.

He didn't want to be tortured to death, but Paul did want to genuinely respond with the love of Christ toward anyone who would abuse him. That's just simply the gospel.....Christ (God), withholding his wrath against people who are committing terrible sins against him.

But the point I wanted you to consider, is that Jesus faced the beast (Rome) and conquered it. And believers from every generation are like our Lord, because being threatened with harm doesn't matter what year it occured in.
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Do you want a Bible story that will more fit what is happening than the one I believe you’re giving me about Rome. We are at the moment where the sheep herder David took a rock and slew Goliath in the name of God that was the first example of a mortal wound. The mortal one will come to the political system, and then to the beast himself, Satan. I’ll give it about three months and you will realize this country is in a lot a lot of trouble and the only way out is to make a deal with the devil
Which, of course the elect won’t, but most people will
 
pottersclay said:
Posted somewhat of what you said here on another thread i started. Got so much feedback on the watchmen thing.
Was told there are no such thing as watchmen in the new testament. So be aware😉😉
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So are you saying that the New Testament makes the Old Testament irrelevant? I’m trying to figure out where you’re going with this and I am aware.
 
Nehemiah6 said:
Well since you do not believe in the Rapture those are questions that you should deal with. The ones who believe in a Pre-tribulation Rapture do not have such questions.

As a matter of fact, in today's world there is not a single person in the world who has not heard about Jesus, or Christ, or Christianity, or Christmas in their own language. How they have responded to that is up to them, but it is totally false to talk about people "who never heard about Jesus". Unbelieving Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Communists, Atheists have all heard about Jesus. Also the Bible is now freely available online in almost every language. So there are no excuses.
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Holy cow I couldn’t disagree with you more! First and foremost I doubt everybody in the world has heard about God or even Christmas but let’s say they did what happens if they had a crappy teacher. Do you know a teacher that taught them Christianity but from the devils perspective that person wouldn’t have a chance in heaven. Thank God, we have a fair guide that will not allow that to happen. That is my job as the elect in the millennium to be a teacher, so I may as well start now.
 
cv5 said:
Here you go bro. The pre-trib rapture doctrine is indeed eminently Biblical. There are no alternatives that stand the test of scrutiny.

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For the first 1500 years of the Bible nobody ever heard of the rapture and like I told you go ahead and get ready. Good luck I’m not I’m standing up against the antichrist I don’t need anybody’s help but I got 7000 friends that will also stand behind me with 144,000 others as a second team. Good luck with your team the rapture team I’ll stick with the team that faces the antichrist
 
Stach said:
Hello everybody my name is stan and I didn’t want to beat around the bush and go around other peoples threads to get my message out. So here it is this is where I believe we are in history right now which is not a trial run this is the real deal. We are at the end generation, and to follow it in the Bible is proof beyond a doubt who is in control. I believe this is the time of teaching and learning before the antichrist shows up, which should be very shortly according to the Bible. Right now God has put a stupor of confusion and babble over the people of the world which will drive most to insanity. They won’t realize or understand who is actually telling them the truth they’ll just figure everybody’s a liar. Put your armor of God on every day, every minute, protect your soul. I just want people to know we’re all on the same team I will disagree with people, but only biblical not personal
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You can find a bit of a blog I did on this subject Here
 
Stach said:
well, that’s where we disagree. I am not going to be rapture no way i have a mission with the antichrist him and I (Holy Spirit ) are going to have a talk.
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Sure. Make sure you tell him that his doom is sealed.
 
Stach said:
If you’re not familiar with the elect, it is their job to be Watchmans like a canary in the coal mine.
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Where in the New Testament does it teach the office of "Watchman?" Where does it teach the spiritual gift of "Watchman?" I agree we have to keep up with the deception that's all around us. But where are we taught to be watchmen to kings and those in authority and rebuke them like the Old Testament prophets?
 
jb said:
You can find a bit of a blog I did on this subject Here
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Yes, I have to admit the presentation looks very professional. However, I disagree with the seals and the trumps as you know. Future will prove past! Let’s bring it forward to the present time Russia is about ready to knock Ukraine and NATO out of the picture and where is the peace treaty?
 
Stach said:
Revelation 6:1-3
Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals; and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, "Come and see." And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer. When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, "Come and see."

Obvious, that’s not Jesus they’re talking about that is the antichrist.
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So are you saying if I’m reading this correctly that Even though the Bible says it was a cheap imitation bow why would Jesus come on a white horse and start Wars, famine, etc. and on the seventh seal who is that? Coming in the clouds
Stach said:
Revelation 6:1-3
Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals; and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, "Come and see." And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer. When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, "Come and see."

Obvious, that’s not Jesus they’re talking about that is the antichrist.
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Obviously, it is talking about the antichrist the bow given to him as a cheap imitation and let’s go to sealed number seven to prove my point. Who is getting thrown out of Heaven? Oh yes, it is Satan, but wait a minute all the other seals said there has already been damage and that anti Christian is calm and peaceful he, so what you say doesn’t make any sense I’m sorry to say according to the Bible.
 
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