Revelation 4 interpretation

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Rev 4.4 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. 3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne. 4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. 5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God. 6 Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.

In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:

“‘Holy, holy, holy
is the Lord God Almighty,’
who was, and is, and is to come.”

9 Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:

11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.”


In 1 Chron 24, David set up 24 head priests, descended from Aaron. This was just the random number that developed from the number of families descended from Aaron at that time. It may have been God's way of expressing a double witness to the significance of Israel's 12 tribes. Everything was confirmed, as legitimate testimony under the Law, when there was a minimum of 2 witnesses. Aaron had two surviving sons, from whom these 24 leading priests were taken.

So the 24 elders appear to serve as representatives of the priestly order of Christ, whose atonement opened the gate for our entry into Heaven. They were dressed in white to show that Christians, who have access to Heaven, are made pure in the blood of Christ. And they had gold crowns, indicating that Christians have the authority of Christ, their head, to judge the world.

The lightning and thunder indicate that the purification of the Church leads to judgment of this world. The 7 blazing lamps are representative of the 7 churches in John's time, among which the faithful live by the Spirit of God. This brings conviction and judgment to the world around them.

I would suggest that these agents, ie the 24 elders and the 7 spirits, are angels, who represent what Christ has done for and in the Church. And the same follows for the 4 living creatures. They are angels representing something with respect to Christians, whom Christ has redeemed by his sacrifice.

These 4 creatures have the face of a man, which hearkens back to the Creation, when God gave Man rulership over the earth and over its creatures. These particular creatures serve the purpose of Man, after his redemption, to bring judgment upon the earth.

This judgment has been ongoing, from the time of the Fall, and even after the redeeming work of Christ. And it will be consummated at the Return of Christ, when the world will be judged in the Battle of Armageddon, and in Eternity through Christ's final sentencing.

The 4 creatures include both a lion and a flying eagle, both signifying God's predatory judgments against sinners, whether nations or their rulers. The "flying" eagle signifies that the judgment is already in process.

The 4 creatures also include an ox, representative of the plowing up of hardened land. The hardened land indicates nations, including Israel, who have resisted the Gospel of Christ, and must be plowed up in order to fulfill God's purposes on earth.

All of these things, before God's throne, indicates what transpires from the time of Christ's death to the consummation of His purposes at the Return of Christ. Judgment is ongoing, but delayed, until final judgment falls at the Return of Christ.
 
As far as I know there is only one Holy Spirit? That's why I believe they are 7 *angels* which represent the 7 churches.

There are 7 spirits of God.

The Spirit of God shall rest upon him, the spirit of 1) wisdom and 2) understanding, the spirit of 3) counsel and 4) strength, the spirit of 5) knowledge and 6) godliness shall fill him; the spirit of 7) the fear of God. He shall not judge according to appearance, nor reprove according to report: Isaiah 11:2-3
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. Revelation 5:6
For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel [with] those seven; they [are] the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth. Zechariah 4:10
 
There are 7 spirits of God.

The Spirit of God shall rest upon him, the spirit of 1) wisdom and 2) understanding, the spirit of 3) counsel and 4) strength, the spirit of 5) knowledge and 6) godliness shall fill him; the spirit of 7) the fear of God. He shall not judge according to appearance, nor reprove according to report: Isaiah 11:2-3
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. Revelation 5:6
For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel [with] those seven; they [are] the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth. Zechariah 4:10

I believe Isa 11 is speaking of 7 aspects of the spiritual life of Christ. There is only one Holy Spirit. All other holy creatures are creatures, and not God. As spirits, I think the 7 spirits are therefore speaking of 7 angels.
 
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The seven stars in Jesus' hand are the 7 angels to the churches.

Yes, the 7 stars are 7 angels, and the 7 spirits may also be 7 angels. I know the Holy Spirit is not 7 spirits. And humans are not just spirits. So, angels must be the ministering spirits in the book of Revelation, representing both God and Mankind in their duties.
 
It is human nature to speculate on intriguing possibilities. However there is always a danger of making a doctrine out of an observation.
 
It is human nature to speculate on intriguing possibilities. However there is always a danger of making a doctrine out of an observation.

There is equally a danger in ignoring what we read in the book of Revelation. We're told we're blessed if we read and *do* what is written in it. So everything there is designed to get us to serve Christ. And we don't have to be afraid of doing that.

We know that the book of Revelation is a picture of the present age as it leads up to the Coming of Christ. It is all about the significance of the coming Kingdom of God.

The angels are clearly being used as messengers from heaven, sent to help us prepare the way for the Lord's Coming. The 7 churches in Asia in John's time were used to illustrate some of the issues the present Church must face as we serve the Lord in this way. How we interpret the "7 spirits* is not, as I see it, a matter of doctrine.

We are already told that angels are before God's throne, and somehow linked to preparing the way for Christ's Coming. The fact there were 7 churches in Asia and 7 spirits draws me to the obvious conclusion that the 7 spirits are *not* the Holy Spirit, but rather, 7 ministering spirits who were somehow linked to the 7 churches. You can interpret it the best you are able. But I'm not going to ignore it.
 
There is equally a danger in ignoring what we read in the book of Revelation. We're told we're blessed if we read and *do* what is written in it. So everything there is designed to get us to serve Christ. And we don't have to be afraid of doing that.

We know that the book of Revelation is a picture of the present age as it leads up to the Coming of Christ. It is all about the significance of the coming Kingdom of God.

The angels are clearly being used as messengers from heaven, sent to help us prepare the way for the Lord's Coming. The 7 churches in Asia in John's time were used to illustrate some of the issues the present Church must face as we serve the Lord in this way. How we interpret the "7 spirits* is not, as I see it, a matter of doctrine.

We are already told that angels are before God's throne, and somehow linked to preparing the way for Christ's Coming. The fact there were 7 churches in Asia and 7 spirits draws me to the obvious conclusion that the 7 spirits are *not* the Holy Spirit, but rather, 7 ministering spirits who were somehow linked to the 7 churches. You can interpret it the best you are able. But I'm not going to ignore it.
You are also cursed if you add to or remove from the book of revelation.
 
Those who take upon themselves God's job of cursing Christians need to do the repenting.
I didn't curse you, I stated the fact of the last verses of Revelation. I warned you, because I don't want you to be cursed.
 
I didn't curse you, I stated the fact of the last verses of Revelation. I warned you, because I don't want you to be cursed.

Okay, I'm glad you don't wish to apply God's curse to me. But let me assure you that the purpose of the curse in Revelation is designed to go after those who alter God's word so as to avoid His righteousness. It has nothing to do with offering possible interpretations.

In fact, we are encouraged to read the book in order to properly understand it, with God's help. That is what I'm doing, and certainly not trying to corrupt Christ's righteousness.

Rev 22.10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. 11 Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.” ...
18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.


If you read the words of the book of Revelation you will understand what the plagues described in the scroll were for.

Rev 18.4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “‘Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues.

The plagues are directed to those who follow the Beast system, who deny Christ and persecute his followers. It is not directed towards those who try to interpret what they read in the book of Revelation, which is what you, or I, or any responsible Christian must do if we wish to properly understand what is written.

Those who wish to add to God's word in order to tolerate sin, or take away from God's word, for the same purpose, will not be able to escape God's judgment upon those who engage in such sins. That is the proper understanding of this curse--not just any indiscriminate proposal that may add clarifying language.