Retire the Ten Commandments?

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Dino246 said:
The Judaizers wanted the Gentiles to come under the 'schoolmaster' of the Law before being accepted as Christian. Paul, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, strongly disagreed.
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2 PETER 3 [15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; [16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which THEY THAT ARE UNLEARNED AND UNSTABLE WREST, AS THEY DO ALSO THE OTHER SCRIPTURES, UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION.

Surely i believe the writings of Paul. They are hard to understand at times and a lot of people {to their own destruction} dont quite get it.

ACTS 25 [7] And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove. [8] While he answered for himself, NEITHER AGAINST THE LAW OF THE JEWS, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, HAVE I OFFENDED ANY THING AT ALL.

Looks like the Jews of Pauls time were saying the same things im hearing now from you. Paul set them straight. He has done nothing to offend the law of the Jews
 
Wall said:
Tutor? Bible says Schoolmaster

GALATIANS 3 [23] But BEFORE FAITH CAME, WE WERE KEPT UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [24] WHEREFORE THE LAW WAS OUR SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. [25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus

Thing is the "many" want to skip over the schoolmaster and go straight to graduation {Christ}. According to scripture... thats not the way it works.
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Tutor/schoolmaster, same terms..

They lead you by the hand to class to make sure you get there, and then guide you through your studies
But once you graduate, you no longer need a tutor.

The ones who have come to christ, have graduated.. They have followed Gods drawing in faith and emptied themselves and received Gods offer of Salvation
 
Wall said:
And who does He love?

JOHN 15 [8] Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.[9] As the Father hath loved me, SO HAVE I LOVED YOU: continue ye in my love.[10] IF YE KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, ye shall abide in my love; even as I HAVE KEPT MY FATHER'S COMMANDMENTS, AND ABIDE IN HIS LOVE.
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He loves his children

We were not given a spirit of fear. But a spirit of adoption whereby we call out abbah father

Your preaching fear. Not grace.
 
posthuman said:
Proverbs 8:17
I love those who love Me, and those who seek Me find Me.

John 15:12
This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
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2JOHN1 [5] And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER.[6] And THIS IS LOVE, THAT WE WALK AFTER HIS COMMANDMENTS. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
He loves his children

We were not given a spirit of fear. But a spirit of adoption whereby we call out abbah father

Your preaching fear. Not grace.
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Hebrews 12:28 (KJV)
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

Im preaching both, as does the Word of God
 
Wall said:
Hebrews 12:28 (KJV)
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

Im preaching both, as does the Word of God
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LUKE 12 [4] And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. [5] But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, FEAR HIM.
 
Wall said:
LUKE 12 [4] And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. [5] But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, FEAR HIM.
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Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
 
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Wall said:
Hebrews 12:28 (KJV)
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

Im preaching both, as does the Word of God
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Fear in this context means reverence. Or in aww

You do not teach this, You teach literal FEAR.
 
WalkingTree said:
Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
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Fear, bad translation.

Reverence.

Did your dad make you fear him? If he did, what kind of father was he?

Abbah father is a God who is revered as a loving God.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
He loves his children

We were not given a spirit of fear. But a spirit of adoption whereby we call out abbah father

Your preaching fear. Not grace.
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To be fair and truthful i do understand why you say this

2 Timothy 1:6-7 (KJV)
6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.
7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

But im thinkin this fear is talking about fearing man and what he can do
 
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DEUT. 6 [1] Now THESE ARE THE COMMANDMENTS, the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it: [2] THAT THOU MIGHTEST FEAR THE LORD THY GOD, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.

PSALM 111 [10] The FEAR OF THE LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding HAVE ALL THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS: his praise endureth for ever.

PROVERBS 1 [7] THE FEAR OF THE LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. [8] My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and FORSAKE NOT THE LAW of thy mother:[9] For they shall be an ornament of GRACE unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.

Heres a great scripture. Forsake not the law. Fear the Lord, get wisdom and receive His grace.

DEUT. 4 [10] Specially the day that thou stoodest before the Lord thy God in Horeb, when the Lord said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, THAT THEY MAY LEARN TO FEAR ME all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children. [11] And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness. [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you HIS COVENANT, which HE COMMANDED YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
 
Romans 3:12-18 (KJV)
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
 
Wall said:
Surely i believe the writings of Paul. They are hard to understand at times and a lot of people {to their own destruction} dont quite get it.
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Do you think that Christians are supposed to obey the Law as given to Moses?

Wall said:
Looks like the Jews of Pauls time were saying the same things im hearing now from you. Paul set them straight. He has done nothing to offend the law of the Jews
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How in the world do you get that from what I wrote?
 
Wall said:
To be fair and truthful i do understand why you say this

2 Timothy 1:6-7 (KJV)
6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.
7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

But im thinkin this fear is talking about fearing man and what he can do
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Its talkin gabout the fear of the law. The fear of judgment, The fear of coming to him,

God said we can come to him because he loves us, we have nothing to fear. yes we may be chastened, but in love.

Our eternity is not now nor will it ever be in question.

When our eternity is in question. Thats when we fear. Fear we will not add up. This fear will cause us not to run to our father, but hide from him, or live secret lives or fail to confess certain sins, because of the fear of guilt and condemnation.

I know. I LIVED in that fear for many years.
 
Biblical (fear) can mean anything from absolute terror and fright, to awe/reverence...
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ISA. 66:5.
Hear The Word of The LORD, you that tremble at His Word; Your brethren that hated you,
that cast you out for My Name's sake, said, Let The LORD be glorified:
but He shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
66:2.
For all those things has My hand made, and all those things have been, saith The LORD:
but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit,
and (trembles)= (fearful/afraid) at My Word.

NT, to 'the Church' -
REV. 2:23.
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I Am He
which searches the reins and hearts:
and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

we both are in 'reverence and fear' of our Holy Creator, for we both have experienced
His Powerful Love and His Powerful rebuke'...

HEB. 12:8.
But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons.
12:14.
Follow peace with all men, and Holiness, without which no man shall see The Lord:
15,
Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you,
and thereby many be defiled;
16.
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17.
For you know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected:
for he found no place of (repentance), though he sought it carefully with tears.

HEB. 10:29.
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot
The Son of God, and has counted the Blood of the Covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing,
and hath done despite unto The Spirit of Grace?
30.
For we know Him that has said, Vengeance belongs unto Me, I will recompense, says The Lord.
And again, (The Lord shall judge His people).
31.
It is a (fearful thing) to fall into the hands of The Living God.
 
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