Requirements of Salvation
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Sorry, Matt & Mark doh!The first words out of His mouth (in Matt & Luke). People forget that. They’re all about ‘believe’ and you’re saved. As I have already said even ‘the demons believe, and tremble’ demons don’t often like to repent though
Obedience to the NT commands is done as a result of one's love for the Lord. Sharing those God-given commands with others is done for exactly the same reason.
Keep reading...not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ” (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).
Notice they get water baptized in Jesus' name. After submitting to water baptism, Paul laid hands upon them at which time they received the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 19:4-6
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 AND WHEN Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Compare the above, with the other records that confirm water baptism in Jesus' name, and receiving the Holy Ghost take place separately: Acts 2:38, 8:12-17, 10:44-48.
You neglect to mention the preceding comment:
"...eight souls were saved by water, the like figure baptism also doth now save us..." 1 Peter 3:20-21
Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, ONLY THE WICKED IN NOAH'S DAY CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE WATER AND THEY ALL PERISHED.
If memory serves me he believes you must be baptised to be saved.
I know that cause he stated that at a men's breakfast he talked at our church.
Met him personally, and had a few chats with him.
He says
Baptised = drench, dip, dunk, deluge, soak, sink, swamp, saturate .
* Baptism in the New Testament has two meanings :-
A bath for those who are dirty (cleansing) . (1 Peter 3:20-21)
A burial for those who are dead . (Colossians 2:12, Romans 6:3-4) It is not a symbol but an event .
* Why was it done ?
Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptised will be saved.
John 3:5 You must be born of water and of Spirit.
Acts 2:38 Repent and be baptised for the forgiveness of your sins.
Acts 22:16 Get up ! Be baptised , and wash your sins away .
1 Peter 3:21 Baptism now saves you. It is more than just washing your body. It means turning to God with a clear conscience.
Was it water Baptism?
Acts 19:5 ESV
On hearing this they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
baptized in the name = ebaptisthesan eis to onoma
Thayer’s lexicon says that eis is used in conjunction with baptizo to indicate the medium into which immersion occurs. So in this case the immersion is into the name/authority/cause of the Lord Jesus, not into water.
We can see the Greek words used in a similar fashion in 1 Corinthians 10:2
1 Corinthians 10:2 ESV
and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
the Greek word order would make this: into Moses were baptized = eis ton Mousen ebaptistanto
The Israelites came under, became immersed in, or subject to the Law of Moses.
What has that to do with what I wrote?
"Yes they also ignore that which they ought to do like 'love the Lord their God with all their mind, all their heart, all their soul, all their strength...all the time and their neighbor as themselves. By this standard, they fall woefully short and if they think they are doing pretty well, they are woefully deceived."
Which BTW, you gave a thumbs down.
Now I see, you didn't begin to understand what I said in the first place.
it's the baptism not by human hands -- to be cleansed by the washing of the Word. the one by human hands is thereunto also a like figure. and this baptism with which Christ baptizes, saves from far more than a guilty conscience.
heck even the river lethe could put away remorse and regret -- through forgetfulness! but Christ says "remember Me" !
if this is something God does, then does He do it if we don't believe He will?
if He does this only to those who trust that He will, then what do we have to do in order for this result you speak of to occur?
transform ourselves through self-imposed behavior modification, crawling back into the womb on our own, and achieving a righteousness by works through will?
or believe, continuing in belief as He transforms us through divinely worked heart modification/transplantation/renewal? thereby receiving a righteousness which is by faith through love?
completely disagree with your premise here.
it is not necessary that faith be insufficient to save in order for Matthew 7:14 to have meaning.
you do not believe it. this makes such eternal life received by faith more narrow a way than you find yourself able to find.
when the Son Of Man cometh, shall He find faith on the earth?
(Luke 18:8)
why do you suppose He asks if He will find faith on the earth? (Luke 18:8)
why doesn't He ask, 'will He find strict obedient adherence to the letter of the commandments on the earth?' ?
what is the difference?
is not what He says perfect?
The narrow way is through obedience unto God's will. Even believing is an act of obedience to His will.
i agree with this in it's typo form.
but ((supposing you meant conscience rather than conscious)) i wonder how a man who has that which to repent of can trust God, since by being repentant he confesses a conscience which accuses him, but also by being repentant he is turning toward God -- does a man who repents turn to that in which he has no faith?
what about my question - why does He ask if He will find faith, rather than if He will find "strict obedience" ?
and it will always be free -- just as Elisha would take nothing for the salvation of Naaman, and Abram would not let it be said that he received anything for the salvation of the people of Sodom
we mustn't forget John 3:15 explains how 3:16 is -- He must be lifted up just as the brazen serpent in the wilderness; that all who look to Him will have life