This is my first time on Christian Chat. I realize that the majority of Christendom embraces the idea that the ethnic Jews are the chosen people. The more I read things from the "Replacement theology" camp, it is really starting to make more sense to me. Galatians 3:28 says, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are ALL one in Christ Jesus." This sounds clearly like it is teaching that those of us who are born again and part of the universal church would all be the same, therefore the "chosen people now." Why would an ethnic Jew be singled out by God as somehow different, when Galatians clearly says there is no difference in people?! I think the New Testament teaches that there are only two kinds of people, children of God (saved) and children of the Devil. (lost) BTW, I am not in any way antisemitic. We are "chosen" when we are born again anyway. We don't choose God, He chooses us. Any thoughts?
Replacement Theology
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He keeps His promises, they were His chosen people then, they still are, we are grafted in, that alone should dispel any "replacement" thinking, being grafted in doesn't kill off the host.
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Fulfillment theology is a Christian doctrine, also known as supersessionism or replacement theology, that teaches the Christian Church has replaced the Jewish people as God's chosen people and the heirs of his covenant. Proponents believe that Jesus's arrival and the birth of the Church "fulfilled" God's promises to Israel, essentially meaning the biblical covenant was superseded and God is now finished with the Jewish people in this regard. This view is seen by its critics as having historically contributed to antisemitism.
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Fulfillment theology is a Christian doctrine, also known as supersessionism or replacement theology, that teaches the Christian Church has replaced the Jewish people as God's chosen people and the heirs of his covenant. Proponents believe that Jesus's arrival and the birth of the Church "fulfilled" God's promises to Israel, essentially meaning the biblical covenant was superseded and God is now finished with the Jewish people in this regard. This view is seen by its critics as having historically contributed to antisemitism.
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The kingdom of Israel ruled by men has become the kingdom of Israel ruled by God. It was never God's intent for Israel to be a kingdom ruled by men, but he accommodated Israel's rebellion and unbelief and gave them what they wanted.
Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD. And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. 1 Samuel 8:4-7
God's intent from the beginning was to have a holy nation and kingdom of priests ruled by God, not by men. This was the first thing he said to them when they reached Mt Sinai after coming out of EgyptNow therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Exodus 19:5-6
But they rebelled and broke the covenant, so God set that plan aside until it could be fulfilled in Christ on the day of Pentecost when the holy nation of Israel ruled by God was born from above by the spirit. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the excellencies of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 1 Peter 2:9
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Gen. 12:1, 22:17; cf. Deut. 1:10, 4:6-8, 26:5; 2 Sam. 7:23; Ex. 1:7; 1 Kings 3:7, 4:20; Neh. 9:23; Gen. 12:7; cf. Joshua 11:23, 21:43-45, 24:13; Deut. 19:7-10; Joshua 20:1-9; Jer. 32:22-23; Neh. 9:23-24; Num. 35:9-15; Dt. 19:7-9; Gen. 18:18, 22:18; cf. Acts 3:25; Gal 3:8, 16, 24-29; Gal. 6:16; Acts 20:28; 1 Cor. 1:2, 6:11.
If you read those passages above, you will see these eight truths. I believe them to be biblical truth, otherwise I wouldn’t believe it!!
1) Abraham’s descendants became a great nation.
2) Israel received all the land as God had promised.
3) God told Israel He would appoint six cities of refuge.
4) Appointing these six cities were conditional if they kept His commandments.
5) The six cities of refuge are listed.
6) Due to Israel’s rejection of the Messiah, God fulfilled the physical type in the spiritual reality—Christ and spiritual Israel, the church of Christ. The physical foreshadowed or pointed toward the spiritual reality that is found in Christ and His church.
7) The spiritual Israel —the church, has been blood-bought and sanctified.
8) All who submit to the gospel of Christ, whether Jew/Gentile become the true “seed of Abraham”, thereby being recipients of the blessings/promises that God made to Abraham.
If you read those passages above, you will see these eight truths. I believe them to be biblical truth, otherwise I wouldn’t believe it!!
1) Abraham’s descendants became a great nation.
2) Israel received all the land as God had promised.
3) God told Israel He would appoint six cities of refuge.
4) Appointing these six cities were conditional if they kept His commandments.
5) The six cities of refuge are listed.
6) Due to Israel’s rejection of the Messiah, God fulfilled the physical type in the spiritual reality—Christ and spiritual Israel, the church of Christ. The physical foreshadowed or pointed toward the spiritual reality that is found in Christ and His church.
7) The spiritual Israel —the church, has been blood-bought and sanctified.
8) All who submit to the gospel of Christ, whether Jew/Gentile become the true “seed of Abraham”, thereby being recipients of the blessings/promises that God made to Abraham.
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Point number 6 should have said
“The physical types in Israel—such as the promised land, the cities of refuge, and the blessings to Abraham’s descendants—pointed forward to the ultimate spiritual reality in Christ and His church. The physical foreshadowed the spiritual fulfillment that would be realized in those who are in Christ.”
The church was never Plan B, and after rereading number 6, I realize it can come off that way with how I have “Due to”.
What I had meant to say was what I posted above at the beginning of this post.
“The physical types in Israel—such as the promised land, the cities of refuge, and the blessings to Abraham’s descendants—pointed forward to the ultimate spiritual reality in Christ and His church. The physical foreshadowed the spiritual fulfillment that would be realized in those who are in Christ.”
The church was never Plan B, and after rereading number 6, I realize it can come off that way with how I have “Due to”.
What I had meant to say was what I posted above at the beginning of this post.
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The Church is His royal family( anyone who believes during the Church age). The Jews are His chosen people. 2 distinct and very real entities.
Replacement of His chosen people?
Rev 3:9
Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and make them know that I have loved you.
I don't really care much for replacement theology. For one, it has been used in the past by "Christians" as an excuse for all kinds of persecution against Jewish people. And another, God isn't through with His people the Jews. They haven't been replaced, they have rejected God, but will return to him eventually.
How is it that God knows the people who occupy the land mass who call themselves descendants of Abraham?
To me, the real "replacement theology" (actually heresy) is the belief that God has replaced His chosen people in Christ (1 Peter 2:9) with a cabal of blasphemers talked about in Revelation 2:9.
I see the New Covenant church (assembly) as a continuation of the Old Covenant church (assembly), Israel. When you read 3 specific verses together, Gal. 6:14-16, the RSV translation makes the most sense as I read it, as it describes those who are of the “new creation”.
But far be it from me to glory except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God. (Gal 6:14-16 RSV)
While many, or most believe there is a mass conversion of Jews at the end of the age, I see the Jews being brought into the church of Jesus Christ down through the centuries just like Gentiles. On the difficult passage of Romans 11, I understand it as follows:
But if some of the branches(Physical Jews) were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot(Elect Gentiles), were grafted in their place to share the richness/rich root (Jesus the Christ) of the olive tree(God's people), do not boast over the branches(Physical Jews). If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root(Christ), but the root(Christ) that supports you. You will say, “Branches(Physical Jews) were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast only through faith. So do not become proud, but stand in awe. For if God did not spare the natural branches(Physical Jews), neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off. And even the others(Physical Jews), if they do not persist in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. For if you have been cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree(Gentiles), and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree(God's people), how much more will these natural branches(Elect Jews) be grafted back into their own olive tree(God's people). Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel(Physical Jews), until the full number of the Gentiles come in, and so all Israel(elect Jews & elect Gentiles) will be saved; as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” (Rom 11:17-27 RSV)