REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY

[kaylagrl]

I think it's just another way to cause division. It's not "replacement Theology", that's a negative label that causes mass assumption, builds walls and causes division. If I had to name it I'd call it fulfillment theology.

It's called Replacement Theology for a reason. It's a false doctrine and that is why it builds walls and causes division.

This is Kingdom Theology, these labels can be used so destructively. We just label and assume without ever listening and sharing, trying to truly understand each other before ANY correction. This goes for the saved and unsaved, but the unsaved don't KNOW the Father that commands us above all to love Him and to love each other, we are to be known for our love for one another, and I think that could use some work here on CC.

RT is a false doctrine, it led directly to the Holocaust. You can read history for yourself and see the link.

This site is known online as the exact opposite, it is known to be a place to go get chewed up and spit out.

You should be if you're pushing a false doctrine, especially a dangerous one.

It's kind of sad. I know the love here, and honestly stay away enough now to say I have no idea what the general mood is anymore, but know for a while there I experienced a group that was relentless, they would label you, condemn you, and never ever compromise, apologize, or try to come to any kind of understanding. I hate politics and before this never even thought about this site at all in this way, but allegedly, so only hearsay to be clear, but I heard a few these people were high donators to the site.
Again hearsay and I do not know this, but I'm making a point for a reason, but it did seem these few people could run rough shot over any thread and never be touched while whenever they got someone riled up and lashed back out that person would face a temporary ban.

It is hearsay and you shouldn't be repeating it. Every single time this false doctrine is pushed I come against it. I always have and I always will and I haven't given anything to this site. One day I may be able to, but up to now I haven't. So I wouldn't spread rumors if I were you.

 

[kaylagrl]

Some of those who call themselves Orthodox Jews and "God's chosen" by bloodright seem to have a really big problem with others that would also have the same bloodright claim as descendants of the first Jewish Christians. They have no problem being blindly hateful but miss the irony that in doing so they become all of the things they accuse others of.

You were grafted in. You didn't replace anyone. According to RT the church gets all the blessings, the Jews get all the curses. God has promises He has yet to fulfill the Jews and He will. If He doesn't, you don't have a hope in hell of salvation. Either He keeps His promises or He doesn't.

The entire "replacement" theology narrative is hateful, antiChristian rhetoric.

I agree, it is hateful, it's a false doctrine. It's far from rhetoric and you can read history and understand the consequences of it.

And every time the story flips to the holocaust, they ignore all of the atrocities that happened to Christians

Hitler tried to wipe out an entire race of people!! No one ignores Christians have been killed from the lions to what may take place in Haiti if someone doesn't intervene soon. No one denies Christians have and are being murdered around the world. But the seriousness of the Holocaust is that Hitler tried to murder a race of people. Wipe them completely off the map, forever. There is a difference. There are Jewish people without any family, none, because they were all murdered in the Holocaust. What was done there was sickening on every level. Christians were killed in the Holocaust btw, can you now agree it was horrific?!

All of Israel!" They say, but openly disagree with scripture when it states "All of Israel are not Israel"
"All self-titled Jews are saved!" They say, but openly disagree with scripture when it states "Not all that call themselves Jews are Jews"

Well not everyone that calls themselves a Christian is one either. God will judge who was faithful and who wasn't. There is no problem saying " Not all that call themselves Jews are Jews, the same as I said of Christians above. But what RT says is that Christians have replaced all the Jews and they get all the blessings and the Jews get all the curses. Bible doesn't say that. You didn't replace anyone, you are grafted in.

The strangest part is to see ones that claim to be Christian but somehow take offense to the concept that NonChristian Jews should turn to Christ for salvation.

Everyone comes through the cross, period.

 

[Jocund]

You were grafted in. You didn't replace anyone.

How can someone be grafted in if they were never cut from the tree? Are you still denying the truth that there is such a thing as Christians with Jewish ancestry? That kind of hatred and concept for people is what lead to events in history such as the Holodomor.

Calling Christ's fulfilment of the law a "replacement" is hateful and antiChristian. You want to make it a narrative about Jews vs Gentiles, but it isn't. Trying to frame it as "Gentiles replaced Jews" is hateful to Jewish Christians and it is hateful to any Christian without Israelite ancestry. This is about hate vs love and you seem to be rooting for the wrong side.

You claim that everyone comes through the cross (becomes Christian) but at the same time vehemently defend the idea that NonChristian Jews who reject Christ will be saved. It is a blatant contradiction that exists only to perpetuate the hatred for Jewish Christians. What remnant of Israel will be saved? The part of Israel in Christ. You can't reject Christ and be saved. Why are you preaching universalism for those with a Jewish bloodline?

 

[Jimbone]

It's called Replacement Theology for a reason. It's a false doctrine and that is why it builds walls and causes division.




RT is a false doctrine, it led directly to the Holocaust. You can read history for yourself and see the link.




You should be if you're pushing a false doctrine, especially a dangerous one.





It is hearsay and you shouldn't be repeating it. Every single time this false doctrine is pushed I come against it. I always have and I always will and I haven't given anything to this site. One day I may be able to, but up to now I haven't. So I wouldn't spread rumors if I were you.

You added nothing, just accused and assumed just like I said. Sorry to be so harsh but you're are the perfect example of what I just described. Thank you for being so horribly aggressive and unapproachable. What do you know about what I believe? You've already boxed, labeled, and stamped me, to send me on my way without even a single question about what I believe. Perfect example of what we shouldn't be. Uggg, you're why people hate this place. Me included. Bye.

 

[kaylagrl]

You added nothing, just accused and assumed just like I said.

Who was accused? Please highlight it in red. Thank you.

Sorry to be so harsh

I don't believe you, but that's ok.

but you're are the perfect example of what I just described. Thank you for being so horribly aggressive and unapproachable.

Jim, how many yrs. have you and I shared here together. Just a guess? Several? More than that? Perhaps. How many times have you written me to tell me you had an issue with me? Waiting... Still waiting... What does the Bible say? Now suddenly you can't stand me, I've bullied you and made your time here a horrible experience? Again, you came to me and told me there was an issue when?! Never, never have you told me until this date that there was an issue between us that is so bad you can't endure it. Jim I don't remember you and I having any particular relationship at all. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we disagree. And yet today you're here to call out me and other CC members based on hearsay and beefs that you say are horrible but you never addressed till this moment?! I'm having a really hard time believing what you're saying. Had you had an issue with me, as a Christian, you should have come to me in private, the same with other CC members. But instead here you are playing the victim. smh Wow!!

What do you know about what I believe? You've already boxed, labeled, and stamped me, to send me on my way without even a single question about what I believe.

Where, point to where that was done. I said RT is false doctrine and if anyone is pushing false doctrine they should expect to be answered back. Where did I said anything about what you personally believe?? I didn't.

Perfect example of what we shouldn't be.

So we shouldn't, according to you, point out false doctrine? Oh, ok, well now I understand why you feel CC is the wrong place for you, even though you are still here.

Ugg, you're why people hate this place. Me included. Bye.

Humm, as I said, never mentioned that in all the years we've been here at CC. Never once. Sheesh, I must be one scary woman that you were too afraid to mention it until today. I hope your Bye is sincere. Because I don't find anything you said here the least bit sincere.

 

[kaylagrl]

You added nothing, just accused and assumed just like I said. Sorry to be so harsh but you're are the perfect example of what I just described. Thank you for being so horribly aggressive and unapproachable. What do you know about what I believe? You've already boxed, labeled, and stamped me, to send me on my way without even a single question about what I believe. Perfect example of what we shouldn't be. Uggg, you're why people hate this place. Me included. Bye.

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X Given- One given to me today, only Received- I haven't given a red X to Jim

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Winner, Jim gave me 4 winner reactions. Received- I gave Jim 1 winner reaction

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Sure doesn't seem like an unfriendly relationship. Seems like a pretty normal back and forth relationship. I don't know what's gotten in to you lately Jim but it has nothing to do with me. Wish you the best.

 

[Roar]

You're so close. You just need to read a few verses back. Who counts as Israel? Who counts as the seed of the promise? And who are the children of God?

How do you account for:
Romans 11:26
New King James Version

26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;

 

[Jocund]

How do you account for:
Romans 11:26
New King James Version

26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;

What does Romans 9:6 say that addresses that?

 

[Roar]

Yes, they are - i believe it is member GraceAmbassador who started a thread on Two Gospels = one for the Jew and one for the Gentile



This occurs when HE returns and after two-thirds of the Jews perish in their sin.

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned." John 15:6

Dead branches, Jew and Gentile who are not in Christ, are gathered to be burned.

This is true and there are many who call themselves Christians that God spews out of His mouth and Jesus says He never knew!

Matthew 7:21-23
New King James Version

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 

[Nehemiah6]

What does Romans 9:6 say that addresses that?

Romans 9:6 says that only some of Israel are saved. And Romans 11:26 cannot contradict that. So "all Israel" here means all TWELVE TRIBES of Israel, not every Jew. Only 1/3rd of Jewry worldwide will be saved after the Second Coming of Christ. But all twelve tribes will be represented. Therefore Ezekiel 48 will be fulfilled.

 

[Roar]

I think it's just another way to cause division. It's not "replacement Theology", that's a negative label that causes mass assumption, builds walls and causes division. If I had to name it I'd call it fulfillment theology. It is finished, right? Now our King, seated on His throne at the Right hand of the Father, given ALL authority in Heaven and on Earth, reigning until all enemies have been made a footstool for His feet. This is Kingdom Theology, these labels can be used so destructively. We just label and assume without ever listening and sharing, trying to truly understand each other before ANY correction. This goes for the saved and unsaved, but the unsaved don't KNOW the Father that commands us above all to love Him and to love each other, we are to be known for our love for one another, and I think that could use some work here on CC. This site is known online as the exact opposite, it is known to be a place to go get chewed up and spit out. It's kind of sad. I know the love here, and honestly stay away enough now to say I have no idea what the general mood is anymore, but know for a while there I experienced a group that was relentless, they would label you, condemn you, and never ever compromise, apologize, or try to come to any kind of understanding. I hate politics and before this never even thought about this site at all in this way, but allegedly, so only hearsay to be clear, but I heard a few these people were high donators to the site. Again hearsay and I do not know this, but I'm making a point for a reason, but it did seem these few people could run rough shot over any thread and never be touched while whenever they got someone riled up and lashed back out that person would face a temporary ban.

This was just a subjective look through my perspective, I want to be clear about that, but once I got banned and this "Christian thug group" was still able to continue uninterrupted no matter what, saying things FAR more offensive than the things I was banned a week for. That was enough to drive me out of daily visits here, I'm sure no one cares or even noticed I was gone, but when searching for another site to go to, I kept seeing CC labeled as a fight place. That is true, look, and I feel it reflects horribly on our King. We should do better to change that straight up, by His power for His glory. That's all I have to say. Thanks for letting me share. (as if you had a choice, but if you read it all still thanks)

Christains do not replace the Jews. What is the purpose of Jesus Second Coming? The Church (the Bride of Christ) comes with Him upon His Second Coming? So what is the purpose of His Second coming? There is more than one to so YOU lay them out for us and then I will!

 

[Roar]

Romans 9:6 says that only some of Israel are saved. And Romans 11:26 cannot contradict that. So "all Israel" here means all TWELVE TRIBES of Israel, not every Jew. Only 1/3rd of Jewry worldwide will be saved after the Second Coming of Christ. But all twelve tribes will be represented. Therefore Ezekiel 48 will be fulfilled.

Jesus also said:

This is true and there are many who call themselves Christians that God spews out of His mouth and Jesus says He never knew!

Matthew 7:21-23
New King James Version

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 

[Jocund]

Romans 9:6 says that only some of Israel are saved. And Romans 11:26 cannot contradict that. So "all Israel" here means all TWELVE TRIBES of Israel, not every Jew. Only 1/3rd of Jewry worldwide will be saved after the Second Coming of Christ. But all twelve tribes will be represented. Therefore Ezekiel 48 will be fulfilled.

Paul is an example of a Christian that represents the tribe of Benjamin. There are no saved NonChristian Jews. There are no saved NonChristian Israelites.

 

[Jocund]

Christains do not replace the Jews. What is the purpose of Jesus Second Coming? The Church (the Bride of Christ) comes with Him upon His Second Coming? So what is the purpose of His Second coming? There is more than one to so YOU lay them out for us and then I will!

I suggest you drop that "Christain" slur pretty quick.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

No one is saying anything different.

Yes, they are - i believe it is member Grace_Ambassador who started a thread on Two Gospels = one for the Jew and one for the Gentile

Precious friends, Yes, that was me = GUILTY "as charged!"

God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels

 

[Roar]

Paul is an example of a Christian that represents the tribe of Benjamin. There are no saved NonChristian Jews. There are no saved NonChristian Israelites.

They are called Messianic Jews just as the Appostles were at first and the followers were called belivers in "The Way", They do not stop being Jews because the believe in their Messiah!

Sect of “The Way”, “The Nazarenes” & “Christians” : Names given to the Early Church
https://biblethingsinbibleways.word...s-christians-names-given-to-the-early-church/

 

[Jocund]

They are called Messianic Jews just as the Appostles were at first and the followers were called belivers in "The Way", They do not stop being Jews because the believe in their Messiah!

Sect of “The Way”, “The Nazarenes” & “Christians” : Names given to the Early Church
https://biblethingsinbibleways.word...s-christians-names-given-to-the-early-church/

A Christian is simply one that follows Christ. One can be both Christian and Jewish. In fact, many people are descendants of the first Jewish Christians. If they happen to only call themselves "Christian" that does not mean that their ancestry is suddenly nullified.

 

[Roar]

I suggest you drop that "Christain" slur pretty quick.

Excuse me!

I suggest you drop that "Christain" slur pretty quick.

Excuse me? Exactly what do you mean by "I suggest you drop that "Christain" slur pretty quick?"

 

[Roar]

OK, Jocund. You called me out so lets cut to the chase!
You, tell me what are the reasons for Jesus Second Coming? List them I dare you!

 

[Roar]