Replacement theology.

[Guojing]

Call it sophisticated if you like. It's biblical.

I understand the appeal.

The church I am currently attending now, they even came up with a song about Psalms 91, that always made me smile. They started off strongly preaching Paul's gospel for justification.

But after we are justified, they just can't help slipping back into Israel's program for physical healing and prosperity

 

[KJV1611]

Do you not think there is a reason why the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write about 3 distinct groups there?

Yes because each group has different beliefs. Lost Jews were trying to keep the law, lost gentiles had nothing to with the law.

 

[Guojing]

Yes because each group has different beliefs. Lost Jews were trying to keep the law, lost gentiles had nothing to with the law.

Yet, in your doctrine you hold, you don't want to believe that the unbelieving Jews have a coming destiny with Christ during the Tribulation, that the unbelieving gentiles will not have?

 

[Guojing]

Dude

i do not believe people who hate god will be restored, and I am sick of telling you this

Take your slanderous lies someplace else.

As I said to kayleigh, if you are willing to take a step back, both of you are actually making the same point.

Once anyone, Jew or otherwise, at anytime, now or during the Tribulation, repent and believe in the gospel, they will be saved.

 

[KJV1611]

Yet, in your doctrine you hold, you don't want to believe that the unbelieving Jews have a coming destiny with Christ during the Tribulation, that the unbelieving gentiles will not have?

The tribulation happened long ago, back when the dead in Christ were raised.

 

[Guojing]

The tribulation happened long ago, back when the dead in Christ were raised.

So did the mark of the beast made an appearance then?

 

[KJV1611]

So did the mark of the beast made an appearance then?

Based on counting the number of the beast and it equaling 66+6 I would assume the mark of the beast was around in the garden of Eden.

 

[Guojing]

Based on counting the number of the beast and it equaling 66+6 I would assume the mark of the beast was around in the garden of Eden.

There was nothing to buy and sell in the garden of Eden

 

[KJV1611]

There was nothing to buy and sell in the garden of Eden

You assume that buying and selling means tangible goods but Eve bought the 46 words the serpent sold her in the garden.

 

[Guojing]

You assume that buying and selling means tangible goods but Eve bought the 46 words the serpent sold her in the garden.

You are trying to force the passage to fit, and not reading it literally.

I was referring to the passage explaining the mark of the beast in Rev 13

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Because EG's axiom is that everyone is saved the same way both in the OT and NT, by grace thru faith apart from works, I can understand why he won't be able to accept these plain passages.

EG’s axiom is all have sinned and fallen short of Gods glory and as sinners, no one could ever be saved apart from grace, the works of the law could not save anyone who would be foolish enough to think any work would have a part in ones salvation

the penalty of sin is death the only work that can pay for sin is death

this is what the law showed.

I guess it’s hard for you to accept that basic fact

 

[eternally-gratefull]

For the record

the great tribulation is said to be greater than any tribulation on earth before or after. Jesus said it would be so great all flesh would die unless he returned to put an end to it

the tribulation has not occured yet. If for no other reason than WW1 and WW2 were greatest tribulations this world has seen and nothing in before or after compair.

 

[Guojing]

EG’s axiom is all have sinned and fallen short of Gods glory and as sinners, no one could ever be saved apart from grace, the works of the law could not save anyone who would be foolish enough to think any work would have a part in ones salvation

the penalty of sin is death the only work that can pay for sin is death

this is what the law showed.

I guess it’s hard for you to accept that basic fact

No, I find it hard to anticipate revelation, unlike yourself.

In the OT, no one had the revelation that the Law was pointing to Christ's sacrifice on the cross.

God simply told Israel to keep the Law as a sign of the covenant. They show faith in God by doing that, and God sees them righteous because of that faith.

Luke 1:5-6 is the clearest statement of that point.

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

 

[KJV1611]

You are trying to force the passage to fit, and not reading it literally.

I was referring to the passage explaining the mark of the beast in Rev 13

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

I don’t understand your point.

 

[Guojing]

I don’t understand your point.

Literally, that verse is referring to buying and selling with money, why do you think it mentioned rich and poor?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No, I find it hard to anticipate revelation, unlike yourself.

In the OT, no one had the revelation that the Law was pointing to Christ's sacrifice on the cross.

God simply told Israel to keep the Law as a sign of the covenant. They show faith in God by doing that, and God sees them righteous because of that faith.

Luke 1:5-6 is the clearest statement of that point.

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

They did not have to

they just had to believe like abraham did, and christs righteousness would be imputed to him, God is outside of time.

 

[Guojing]

They did not have to

they just had to believe like abraham did, and christs righteousness would be imputed to him, God is outside of time.

Again you are anticipating revelation.

No one, who heard Moses at Mount Sinai, at Exodus, will ever come to that conclusion.

 

[KJV1611]

Literally, that verse is referring to buying and selling with money, why do you think it mentioned rich and poor?

Do you think any Christians will be here during that time? Or will anybody be saved during that time?

 

[tribesman]

EG’s axiom is all have sinned and fallen short of Gods glory and as sinners, no one could ever be saved apart from grace, the works of the law could not save anyone who would be foolish enough to think any work would have a part in ones salvation

the penalty of sin is death the only work that can pay for sin is death

this is what the law showed.

I guess it’s hard for you to accept that basic fact

Yep. The law actually points to the gospel. All along.

 

[Guojing]

Do you think any Christians will be here during that time? Or will anybody be saved during that time?

I believed in the pre-tribulation rapture of the body of Christ.

But if gentiles want to be saved during the Tribulation, it will be so much harder. They not only have to believe in Jesus as the Messiah, they also need to have various works to show.

But there will still be many who will be saved during that period, although they will probably have to give up their lives for that.