Replacement theology.

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KJV1611 said:
Why should I believe you over the Bible? Your position is so weak that when I ask you for bible verses all I get this slanderous response.

Step up and defend your position from the Bible rather than from your words alone.
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Dude

i do not believe people who hate god will be restored, and I am sick of telling you this

Take your slanderous lies someplace else.
 
When someone has to continue to lie about others in order to convince themselves they have truth, something is seriously wrong
 
KJV1611 said:
I’m sure you take great joy in thinking I’ll spend eternity in hell.
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See you assume to much

your not as smart as you think you are

i never Said a word about you going to hell

can you ever speak to someone without assuming you know what they think? Or is that just too hard?
 
KJV1611 said:
Ok let’s just stop it right here.
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Do you believe that, currently, in this age, God sees 3 groups of people, as given by 1 Cor 10:32?

Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God

I think you are currently lumping together unbelieving Jews and unbelieving Gentiles in the same group correct?
 
Guojing said:
Ephesians 2:11-12 not clear enough for both of you?

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
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These scriptures are to be accounted for. However, the lack of sign and seal does not necessarily make salvation/justification totally impossible, does it? Abraham was righteous even before circumcision, as Rom.4:3-15 says. Also, it is not totally impossible that such practices as circumcision may have occured.
 
Guojing said:
Do you believe that, currently, in this age, God sees 3 groups of people, as given by 1 Cor 10:32?

Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God

I think you are currently lumping together unbelieving Jews and unbelieving Gentiles in the same group correct?
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Yes I believe the three groups exists today. And yes all unbelievers fall in the same category - not Gods elect.
 
Guojing said:
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

I trust that the seal by the Holy Spirit is enough for you?
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Well, not totally, since there is both an inward and outward sign. They work together, so to speak. Yes, the Holy Spirit is the inward seal of the outward symbol/seal water baptism, hence water baptism also being the outward sign of an inward reality.

Hoping we're still onto track and not getting into endless baptismal discussions. ;)
 
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tribesman said:
These scriptures are to be accounted for. However, the lack of sign and seal does not necessarily make salvation/justification totally impossible, does it? Abraham was righteous even before circumcision, as Rom.4:3-15 says. Also, it is not totally impossible that such practices as circumcision may have occured.
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Of course Abraham was a gentile. Israel only came about at Exodus.

Once the nation of Israel is born of God (Exodus 4:22), and God made a covenant with them at Mount Sinai, as Paul would explain in the Ephesians 2:11-13, and repeated by Jesus, salvation is of the Jews (John 4:22).

Because EG's axiom is that everyone is saved the same way both in the OT and NT, by grace thru faith apart from works, I can understand why he won't be able to accept these plain passages.
 
tribesman said:
Well, not totally, since there is both an inward and outward sign. They work together, so to speak. Yes, the Holy Spirit is the inward seal of the outward symbol/seal water baptism, hence water baptism also being the outward sign of an inward reality.

Hoping we're still onto track and not getting into endless baptismal discussions. ;)
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I understand, the Body of Christ is fond of taking from Israel's program and applying to their own, whether is it the physical healing or the financial prosperity.

Thus, taking "their" water baptism is understandable from this point of view. ;)
 
KJV1611 said:
Yes I believe the three groups exists today. And yes all unbelievers fall in the same category - not Gods elect.
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That means you still agree a distinction must be made between unbelieving Jews and unbelieving Gentiles, as that verse indicated, correct?
 
Guojing said:
I understand, the Body of Christ is fond of taking from Israel's program and applying to their own, whether is it the physical healing or the financial prosperity.

Thus, taking "their" water baptism is understandable from this point of view. ;)
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Well, we don't take anything, we just continue in what was already there. :coffee:
 
Guojing said:
That means you still agree a distinction must be made between unbelieving Jews and unbelieving Gentiles, as that verse indicated, correct?
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I believe the distinction is made because Paul dealt with with both of those groups of people during his ministry.

He’s basically saying that he would behave in a Jewish manner with the Jews so as to not offend them and in a Gentile manner with the gentiles. He didn’t want to offend either group.
 
KJV1611 said:
I believe the distinction is made because Paul dealt with with both of those groups of people during his ministry.

He’s basically saying that he would behave in a Jewish manner with the Jews so as to not offend them and in a Gentile manner with the gentiles. He didn’t want to offend either group.
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Do you not think there is a reason why the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write about 3 distinct groups there?
 
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