Replacement theology? Yes or No.
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Q. Why do we support modern Israel when they start wars, kill people and steal stuff?
A. So that the Antichrist can be established there.
Good grief get a Bible and actually sit down and study it sometime.
As used in the NT:
Israel: ~70-75 times
Israelite: ~9 times
Jew/Jews: ~185-195 times
You must be hopelessly ignorant, biblically illiterate, or playing games.
Or all three.
Being ruled by Messiah King Jesus is not being ruled by God? Ridiculous.
And when this occurs, all Israel WILL be walking obediently according to the Spirit.
Eze 36:26 - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Spiritual Israel is walking according to the spirit, has been for the past nearly 2000 years, and will continue to do so until Christ returns to set up his kingdom on earth. Israel's stony heart was replaced with a circumcised heart beginning at Pentecost and has continued until now.
Salvation is individual, the call to service is sometimes a group, an election by God, however, even within that group there may be some who are not saved.
Did Jesus get tricked by some crafty fishermen and a tax collector into thinking they were Israel?
I don't think anyone in this thread has yet suggested that the man in 2Thes2 is Epiph. IV.
There is however a passage in Daniel 11 that is most definitely him.
Here it is:
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.
25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.
26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.
27 And both of these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.
28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Compare to an account of Antiochus IV Epiphanes by secular historians:
Antiochus IV Epiphanes - Wikipedia
Notice that Antiochus IV=king of the north, and that King Ptolemy VI Philometor=king of the south.
former kings of the north in the Seleucid Dynasty are describes in the previous verses of Ch.11.
Notice also that some secular historians think that they have discovered "proof" that ch.7-14 of Daniel was written after the time of Antiochus IV, because the description is so accurate.
No I dont think so...lol. but what comes to mind is this.
Jesus was first sent to the lost sheep of Israel. His first mission. Was it to save or restore? If they received him would we be having this conversation?
Israel had already been restored to the land for centuries when the messiah arrived in Israel. His sheep there received him, whereas all of the others in Israel did not because they were not his sheep.
Frankly, the case that I have thus far provided USING THE SCRIPTURES proving that the redemption of the Nation Israel will in fact take place inevitably has been overwhelming and compelling, and far beyond refutation. Literally over 10% of the Bible deals specifically with this topic. But far more in the broadest sense.
You on the other hand proffer in catchphrases and buzzwords and vague assertions, that are undergirded by nothing at all of substance. Most of it misdirection with intent IMO.
Act 1:6 - When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
It's a matter of WHEN not IF.....
Act 3:21 - “whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.
The Restoration of the People and Land
(Deuteronomy 30:1–6)
This is the most direct parallel to the "National Redemption". Moses prophesies a cycle that perfectly matches the "Jacob's Trouble" to "Repentance" to "Restoration" sequence:
The Scattering: Moses foretells that Israel will eventually break the covenant and be scattered among all nations (Deut. 30:1).
The Repentance: He predicts a time when they will "call them to mind" and "return to the Lord" with all their heart (Deut. 30:2).
The Restoration: Moses promises that God will then:
Gather them from all the nations.
Bring them back to the land of their fathers.
Circumcise their hearts (spiritual regeneration) so they can love God and live (Deut. 30:6).
3. The Song of Moses (Deuteronomy 32)
In the "Song of Moses," which was meant to be a witness against Israel in the "latter days," Moses speaks of a time when God’s people are brought to the end of their own power.
Deuteronomy 32:36 & 43: "For the Lord will judge His people and have compassion on His servants, when He sees that their power is gone... Rejoice, O Gentiles, with His people; for He will avenge the blood of His servants... and provide atonement for His land and His people."
I won't even be around to deal with it for one thing. For another, the lawless one will rise up inevitably, only to be utterly annihilated..... inevitably.
So your tacit accusations are moot.
2Th 2:8 - And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
Are you actually a psychologist or do you just play one on TV?
Neither really.
There is actually a point to what I am asking.
Just because an evil event is prophesied (or we interpret it to be that way) we are not exempt from responsibility if we have a part in bringing it about.
Jesus for example predicted His own death, and good things resulted.
If we for that reason were to join our voices with the crowd and yell "Crucify Him!"
We would still be sinning against God.
Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Mathew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Well, if you must, then by all means lay the blame on Earl of Balfour Viscount Traprain, aka the "Second Cyrus".
Maybe you can file a complaint to his heirs or estate?
As for myself, technically I am not even part of this "cosmos", and therefore blameless in these matters.
My daughter thinks you are using AI.
Now I am starting to wonder if she is right.