Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Pilgrimshope]

Generally speaking they do not like being challenged or to re-examine with what they have been indoctrinated, it would rock their world and destabilize them.

They go against Jesus to support a false eschatology, a newspaper eschatology. It really is sad.
I remember when 1988 was the big day... and they just keep pushing it forward making up new ways to read the words in scripture.
Jesus was clearly speaking to the people in his time period of what they would experience. Full stop.


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amen I remember this happening about once a decade growing up we moved a lot.

really whenever we part from the explainations and interpretations in the new testsment it causes confusion and begins to become “ your interpretation v jesus and the apostles “ every subject seems to be the same struggle

Paul explains so much of the law and prophets in his letters Jesus explained and interpreted so much of the law and prophets in his sermons and teachings . From Abraham in genesis 12 or things in the very beginning

aid we let the New Testament exolain the law and prophets what we find is god determined to do a new and better thing for Israel , and including all other nations tbe promised children of Abraham the father of many nations through Christ Jesus his seed of promise,


What if we just let the apostle exolain things like the “ Abrahamic covenant “ as some refer to it . Look what Paul’s doctrine to Christian’s really is talking about

“Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. ( Abrahams seed of promise ) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:6-9, 16, 26-29‬ ‭

Paul’s teaching Christian’s how to look at Abraham’s story beginning in genesis 12 to see thier father in faith and the original king standing promises made concerning them

“God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”

“and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭12:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Later promosed through Abraham’s singular seed represented by Isaac when Abraham was called to sacrifice him for God

“And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, and said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:15-16, 18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul’s letters are filled with explainations of how the ot should be understood in light of Christ and the gospel as well as Jesus words in the gospel or peters words or johns ect the Holy Ghost was in them just as he was in the prophets and Moses befor that who penned the ot according to his Will and spirit the new should interpret the old and then I feel like the new would be understood like the veil was removed

 

[Eli1]

More complete dishonesty about me and political views.

You got some real problems because you can't even answer simple questions.
What's happened to you really? Have you thought about confessing your problems to God?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Replacement theology is slur, it does not exist.

This is wrong it does exist.

....one plan of salvation.

For the newcomers, no one here has claimed there is more than one plan of salvation, or a different way for the Jews, or Jews are saved because they are Jews. These things have been debunked dozens of times in these threads.

 

[Eli1]

Are their two plans of salvation or one?
Who were the first converts, they were the Jews and Samaritans correct?
So how can there be replacement when they were already part of it.

Replacement theology is slur, it does not exist.
There has always been one church, one tree (spiritual Israel, OT and NT) and one plan of salvation.

Do you even know what you're talking about? For example, when you talk to Calvinists, do you know that in one sentence you say one thing and on another you say something that supports Calvinism?

 

[faithlife]

Are their two plans of salvation or one?
Who were the first converts, they were the Jews and Samaritans correct?
So how can there be replacement when they were already part of it.

Replacement theology is slur, it does not exist.
There has always been one church, one tree (spiritual Israel, OT and NT) and one plan of salvation.

If Replacement theology 'does not exist' why are there hundreds of websites about it

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Are their two plans of salvation or one?
Who were the first converts, they were the Jews and Samaritans correct?
So how can there be replacement when they were already part of it.

Replacement theology is slur, it does not exist.
There has always been one church, one tree (spiritual Israel, OT and NT) and one plan of salvation.

“As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; And her beloved, which was not beloved.

And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; There shall they be called the children of the living God.

Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:25-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name. I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Thus saith the LORD, …

As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not. And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:1-3, 8-9, 11-12, 15-16‬ ‭

“Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: and think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,

and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

being born an isealite won’t help or being born a gentile won’t help . We have to do the new thing God is doing that he’s always foretold he would do as you are saying

“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: and came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:11-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Always his plan but there are many different times and stages of his plan

 

[sawdust]

Are their two plans of salvation or one?
Who were the first converts, they were the Jews and Samaritans correct?
So how can there be replacement when they were already part of it.

Replacement theology is slur, it does not exist.
There has always been one church, one tree (spiritual Israel, OT and NT) and one plan of salvation.

I agree only one plan of salvation but my understanding of replacement theology is not about God's method of salvation in His plan but what His purpose is for those who are saved. I am no expert on the differences between Replacement and Covenant theology but as I understand God's purpose, Israel has an Earthly purpose and the Church has a heavenly purpose otherwise why create both a new Earth and heavens? Why not simply create a new heavens only if we are to all end up in the same place doing the same thing?

To be honest I thought the first convert was Adam but what the hey. I struggle to comprehend the Lord's plan for me on a single day at times let alone His plans for everyone for eternity.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I find it really surprising that so many here can accept Calvinism and God literally choosing who to save and who to send to hell but can't wrap their minds around God's redemption plan for the Jews. Lead him to Christ.

I'm not a calvinist. I don't even wear Calvin and Kline Jeans.

My desire for everyone is their salvation, Romans 1:16 KJV
My regrets sometimes come to mind of not being bolder and trying harder to lead my Jewish relatives to Christ. I think of them fondly and cherish the memories when they were alive. The same as I pray for Jordan Rubin's salvation who taught me a tremendous amount about nutrition and how to be an effective Health Coach.
Likewise I prayed with tears for Dr Peter Breggin. Even though his first name is Peter, he is Jewish. He's friendly towards his Christian friends and Jesus as a prophet, but he needs to get saved.

My view is different perhaps than any others on this forum. I never insisted anyone agree with me.
I just think that there's room to think that God will not be using national Israel as it exists now, to evangelize the world. My view is that the 144,000 in Heaven who are virgins and of the distinct 12 tribes, will be sent to the Earth as well as the 2 witnesses.
This would explain the national identity of the distinct tribes since whoever is here now is genetically not relevant.
This would also be an explanation for the other distinctions not seen among the nation state. It would take a long discussion to get into details, but that's where I'm coming from.

Hagee on the other hand teaches that Israelis are saved apart from faith in Christ. I don't think that anyone here agrees with him, but he's the chosen pastor representative of much of Christian Zionism.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I'm not a calvinist. I don't even wear Calvin and Kline Jeans.

I see what you did there!

My desire for everyone is their salvation, Romans 1:16 KJV
My regrets sometimes come to mind of not being bolder and trying harder to lead my Jewish relatives to Christ. I think of them fondly and cherish the memories when they were alive. The same as I pray for Jordan Rubin's salvation who taught me a tremendous amount about nutrition and how to be an effective Health Coach.
Likewise I prayed with tears for Dr Peter Breggin. Even though his first name is Peter, he is Jewish. He's friendly towards his Christian friends and Jesus as a prophet, but he needs to get saved.

My view is different perhaps than any others on this forum. I never insisted anyone agree with me.
I just think that there's room to think that God will not be using national Israel as it exists now, to evangelize the world. My view is that the 144,000 in Heaven who are virgins and of the distinct 12 tribes, will be sent to the Earth as well as the 2 witnesses.
This would explain the national identity of the distinct tribes since whoever is here now is genetically not relevant.
This would also be an explanation for the other distinctions not seen among the nation state. It would take a long discussion to get into details, but that's where I'm coming from.

Hagee on the other hand teaches that Israelis are saved apart from faith in Christ. I don't think that anyone here agrees with him, but he's the chosen pastor representative of much of Christian Zionism.

I have heard that Hagee preaches that, but I haven't heard him preach it himself. I don't believe you are an Antisemitic person. We need to be a witness to every lost person we come in contact with. We don't want to see one soul lost.

 

[God-fearing]

The problem here is that some read the end of the book and not the details that lead up to the end.
To fulfill prophecy a temple is built for anti-Christ to sit in....now who is looking to build a temple? The Arabs? The Christians?
I think it would point to the jews. Now where is it to be built? France? Egypt. Anywhere?
Well certainly we as Christians have no use of a temple but God's word says it is to be so.

So let's connect the dots.....wanted......a certain temple building people needed to build a temple in a certain place at a certain time.
Other than the masons who qualifies? Aztec not included.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What you believe is that God supports the shadow (physical Israel) and the reality (spiritual Israel) at the same time? No, once the reality appears there is no use for the shadow.

A nation requires 1. people sustained by new birth and 2. a form of governance and/or a ruler. Let’s see if we have a record of a nation being created in a day somewhere in scripture…

In Acts 2 ”“Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is hereto this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne.”

And a little further:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

So, then how can a nation, ruled by the Messiah, appear in one day? Peter gave the way of national identity to the crowd:

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

And in a little bit further:

“And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.”

This nation, ruled by the Messiah, continued to grow. That fulfilled (and is being fulfilled even today) the prophesy in Isaiah where it reads “..and of the increase of His government there will be no end.”

Now, some might say “Well, this is the church. This isn’t a nation. God is just building His church.”

This same Peter, the one who spoke the words in Acts 2 above, would later write to Jew and Gentile (in the flesh) believers this…

“But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.”

Do you see that? Not just the church, but a holy nation. And how did this nation appear? Let’s read on…

“Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.”

The reality of their national identity appeared at once. They went from “not a nation” to “God’s chosen nation” by repentance and belief in Christ Jesus, their ruler. This happens instantly for all who receive Him.

@HeIsHere

“What you believe is that God supports the shadow (physical Israel) and the reality (spiritual Israel) at the same time? No, once the reality appears there is no use for the shadow. “

Well said , and so all things will follow the same principle

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬

“Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. ….The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

…The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:1, 5-6, 19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:

and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation…… but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. ( shadow )

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:3-4, 7, 10, 13‬ ‭

The shadow and then the reality of what was casting the shadow Gods promise for a new and good and everlasting world where he will dwell with us

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:

for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

aid we are holding to the shadow we can’t ever really lay hold of the thing casting the shadow the reality of his promises in Christ for Israel and all humanity

 

[Adstar]

The preacher is Dr James Tour. He is a brilliant scientist, a fervent evangelist and knowledgeable about Israel's place in God's plan and purpose. It is quite long, but well worth hearing. Replacement people don't listen. You will have to change your minds if you do.

I know James Tour.. He is a very famous chemist and one who investigates the origins of life.. I watched more then a few of His video's.. I don't always agree with his POVs but for the most part He is a very knowledgeable person on science and on God..

I have never accepted the replacement theology in my life.. The Holy Spirit has always been working on all peoples since the time of Pentecost, bringing Jews into the Gospel truth, There has always been Jews in every generation since the times of Jesus that have come to accept the Love of the truth.. Sometimes it has been a trickle, Sometimes it has been significant.. Ironically now that Israel, the homeland for Jews has been established, the amount of Jews coming to accept Jesus and Messiah has increased.. Jews born into a state of relative security seem to be more willing to give the New testament a genuine consideration and as they do they discover just how truly Jewish the Gospel actually is..

 

[Beekeeper]

Grafted In" (Not Replaced): Paul uses the metaphor of an olive tree in Romans 11, where Gentiles are "wild branches" grafted into the original Jewish tree. This signifies inclusion and expansion, not replacement.

I actually agree with this.
There is one olive tree and one kingdom of Christ which is the true Israel of God.
That is also why replacement theology is not a thing.
The house of Israel continues to this day in Christ, while modern Israel strives to provide the gory "entertainment".

 

[Gideon300]

“What you believe is that God supports the shadow (physical Israel) and the reality (spiritual Israel) at the same time? No, once the reality appears there is no use for the shadow. “

Well said , and so all things will follow the same principle

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬

“Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. ….The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

…The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:1, 5-6, 19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:

and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation…… but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. ( shadow )

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:3-4, 7, 10, 13‬ ‭

The shadow and then the reality of what was casting the shadow Gods promise for a new and good and everlasting world where he will dwell with us

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:

for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

aid we are holding to the shadow we can’t ever really lay hold of the thing casting the shadow the reality of his promises in Christ for Israel and all humanity

God's plan for Israel as a nation has never changed. One day, there will be a new heaven and new earth and all things will become new. Until then, Israel remains central to God's purpose. God's purpose includes the physical land of Israel. Revelation makes zero sense if Israel does not exist.

The final nail in the coffin of false theology re Israel is Jeremiah 31. Stick your head out of the window. See if the sun came up today. Have a look to see if the moon is still in orbit. If the sun has gone and the moon with it, you can dismiss Israel.

The third temple must be built before the antichrist can break the covenant he makes with Israel. I can assure you that Muslims won't be building the third temple. So the followers of the mass murdering paedophile won't take over Israel, no matter how much they try. And the Western puppets of Islam likewise won't be able to thwart God's purpose.

 

[Aaron56]

The final nail in the coffin of false theology re Israel is Jeremiah 31.

There are so many issues with Jeremiah 31 and your view but one glaring one is this line in verse 9:

"For I am a Father to Israel,
And Ephraim is My firstborn."

This should give you context clues that the proclamation has a spiritual meaning, not a physical one.

First, who is the father to Israel? If you say it is God then you are in the spirit. Today, the Jews do not talk about God as their Father. They talk about Abraham as their father. If you say it is Isaac (because Israel was the name for Jacob) then you confined yourself to a natural lineage. Let's continue:

"And Ephraim is My firstborn."

Who is this? Do you think the Holy Spirit just throws things into prophecies for shock value? No, He's taking what is true in the eternal and communicating it to men who live in the temporal.

In the natural, Ephraim is not the firstborn of anyone. He was Joseph's SECOND son. And get this: he was both a Israelite (Joseph) and a Gentile (Ephraim)! So we should know we are dealing with a specific type of people. Actually, a specific person.

This is the person: Christ. I'll get to Him in a bit.

First, Isaac is the father to Israel. And we know that God's people are called after Isaac, the son of promise. This is what the Spirit showed Paul about 600 years after Zachariah 31 was written:

This is the apostle Paul: "But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed."

So, how do we know we are dealing with spiritual truths and not natural lineage? Because of the next sentence "And Ephraim is my firstborn." This is a spiritual reality. The firstborn would typically receive the estate of the father. Here, this is talking about a spiritual estate that affects the whole world.

So, we are to see that God establishes Himself as the father of the Israel. From this we should know that we are dealing with something in the eternal coming to vest in a certain people group: Ephraim. But if we expand our view to a view from heaven we see that the Spirit is telling Zachariah about the security of Christ's estate as the firstborn of God.

Christ, the only begotten of the Father, appears as Ephraim in the passage because He is the Jew and Gentile as one man before God.

Just as Paul wrote: For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, ... and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near.

And check out the last line "And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near."

In Zachariah 31 we have a message of peace being delivered to those who are near and to those who are far off!

There are so many things like that in Zachariah 31 because it's a message central to the reality of Christ and what that means for all of mankind.

 

[God-fearing]

God's plan for Israel as a nation has never changed. One day, there will be a new heaven and new earth and all things will become new. Until then, Israel remains central to God's purpose. God's purpose includes the physical land of Israel. Revelation makes zero sense if Israel does not exist.

The final nail in the coffin of false theology re Israel is Jeremiah 31. Stick your head out of the window. See if the sun came up today. Have a look to see if the moon is still in orbit. If the sun has gone and the moon with it, you can dismiss Israel.

The third temple must be built before the antichrist can break the covenant he makes with Israel. I can assure you that Muslims won't be building the third temple. So the followers of the mass murdering paedophile won't take over Israel, no matter how much they try. And the Western puppets of Islam likewise won't be able to thwart God's purpose.

Exactly....you can't exclude the nation or people's and read revelation proper. Its focus is on the land and people.
So the land and people had to return and be established in order for revelation to be fulfilled. Gods word became flesh is referring to jesus but also imo this includes the prophecies spoken by him.
Prophecy is one of the testimonies of God that is for believers and non believers. To show the more surer word that there is a divine intervention between God and man.
Jesus told us to watch so that to me means i will see it, it will appear.

 

[God-fearing]

Another interesting thing that follows prophecy is the turmoil in Iran. The protesting and violence happening right now.
God has started imo to set his throne in Iran. Yes also a throne (metaphor) in Iran.

Jer 49:34 The word of the LORD that came to Jeremiah the prophet against Elam in the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, saying,

Jer 49:35 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, the chief of their might.

Jer 49:36 And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.

Jer 49:37 For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies, and before them that seek their life: and I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them:

Jer 49:38 And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the LORD.

Jer 49:39 But it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the LORD

 

[HeIsHere]

God's plan for Israel as a nation has never changed.

True, it was all fulfilled in Christ Jesus.
The End.

 

[Blade]

Replacement theology....hmm how to compare. I think flat earth vs round haha is a good one huh. Well truthful if you listen to one side .. man it sounds so true. I've never been one to jump in on this....its just.. you know something in side says no. When He told me "show me a branch that was not originally of the vine. I am the vine you are the branches". Yeah what ever I thought about Israel.. didn't matter and there was nothing to talk about. They are His.. they are originally of the vine. Yes today anyone that is not saved.. believed in trust in Yeshua are not His.

So a Replacement theology? Na.... you don't touch them.. apple of His eye

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Replacement theology....hmm how to compare. I think flat earth vs round haha is a good one huh. Well truthful if you listen to one side .. man it sounds so true. I've never been one to jump in on this....its just.. you know something in side says no. When He told me "show me a branch that was not originally of the vine. I am the vine you are the branches". Yeah what ever I thought about Israel.. didn't matter and there was nothing to talk about. They are His.. they are originally of the vine. Yes today anyone that is not saved.. believed in trust in Yeshua are not His.

So a Replacement theology? Na.... you don't touch them.. apple of His eye

Exactly! Great point!!