Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Pilgrimshope]

Like I said, your grasp of scripture is limited to say the least. Jesus did not make a new covenant with Israel. He made it with believers. The new covenant with Israel is yet to come to pass.

God brought the Jews back from the nations so He could restore them to Himself. That is happening to some extent now. God will deal with Jews in Israel. They will suffer a great deal. Then they will repent and turn back to God. It's all in the Book.

“Jesus did not make a new covenant with Israel. “

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15:24‬ ‭

“These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:5-6‬

you probably have no chance of understanding a parable but …..if you could this explains it well

“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Again …. I don’t expect you can grasp the parable but it’s Israel’s story ……

 

[faithlife]

I find it weird that people who think that the prophecy of a nation being born in a day has nothing to do with being born again with the Holy Spirit.
Or how the state of Israel has worldly riches which some people contribute to Gods blessings connected with the supposed fulfillment of a nation being born in a day,yet it's leadership has no spiritual riches to show of.

Luke:20-21
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

And yet God is still showing up to defend Israel against those dead set on wiping Israel out. Only by God's dominion and sovereingty is Israel standing and will continue to be. It's spiritual riches is God's favor which is priceless.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

There is a lot weird in this thread, people believe the following has already happened:
A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.

2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake[a] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.

8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.

9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.

10 The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up high from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses, and will remain in its place. 11 It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.

12 This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. 13 On that day people will be stricken by the Lord with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another. 14 Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—great quantities of gold and silver and clothing. 15 A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps.

16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord[b] will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

20 On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite[c] in the house of the Lord Almighty.
Zech14

some people are saying this happened and cursed the earth and has to be fulfilled

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and because of that god sent Jesus with salvation beginning at israel and then sent it out to all humanity a new covenant not the old broken one that cursed the earth…..

What I’m telling you is that Israel’s promises aren’t about land on this earth it’s about the new world he was promising

“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Thier promises aren’t about this earth anymore they are about the things Jesus promises and also the things his apostles promise in the new covenant that’s not broken but everlasting and based upon him and not us:

 

[Undergrace1]

And yet God is still showing up to defend Israel against those dead set on wiping Israel out. Only by God's dominion and sovereingty is Israel standing and will continue to be. It's spiritual riches is God's favor which is priceless.

And there will come a time when Israel stands alone with no other country to come to her aid. And that is how God will want it, so all can see it is Him defending her, without any other help

 

[Undergrace1]

some people are saying this happened and cursed the earth and has to be fulfilled

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and because of that god sent Jesus with salvation beginning at israel and then sent it out to all humanity a new covenant not the old broken one that cursed the earth…..

What I’m telling you is that Israel’s promises aren’t about land on this earth it’s about the new world he was promising

“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Thier promises aren’t about this earth anymore they are about the things Jesus promises and also the things his apostles promise in the new covenant that’s not broken but everlasting and based upon him and not us:

I will not be responding to any more posts trying to explain huge swathes of the plainly written word away

 

[Pilgrimshope]

And yet God is still showing up to defend Israel against those dead set on wiping Israel out. Only by God's dominion and sovereingty is Israel standing and will continue to be. It's spiritual riches is God's favor which is priceless.

Seems more like us military power and Israel’s amazing and ingenious military as well as us funding . I’m not sure the Bible prophecies military might of the world overcoming and delivering gods people

 

[Undergrace1]

Seems more like us military power and Israel’s amazing and ingenious military as well as us funding . I’m not sure the Bible prophecies military might of the world overcoming and delivering gods people

The US will not be there to help Israel forever

 

[Gideon300]

The US will not be there to help Israel forever

Agreed. God will not permit America to save Israel. 1,000 years of American boasting about how they saved Israel? No thanks.

 

[Undergrace1]

Seems more like us military power and Israel’s amazing and ingenious military as well as us funding . I’m not sure the Bible prophecies military might of the world overcoming and delivering gods people

Something to do with the abomination that causes desolation, it will result in darkness. A third of the sun and moon will not shine meaning one third of the earth will be covered in darkness. A third of the land and trees will be burned up. The world will see horrors unequalled since its creation and will never be seen again

 

[Gideon300]

“Jesus did not make a new covenant with Israel. “

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15:24‬ ‭

“These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:5-6‬

you probably have no chance of understanding a parable but …..if you could this explains it well

“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Again …. I don’t expect you can grasp the parable but it’s Israel’s story ……

Israel paid the price for rejecting Jesus. God promised that he would restore them to the land. it's done. Israel will suffer much more during the great tribulation. The remnant left will turn to Jesus. It's in the Bible. Israel's story is not finished.

 

[faithlife]

This is an astounding documentary of God's hand of protection over Israel.
Arabs have confirmed the encounter they had with 'Father Abraham' in the film, yrs after.
They wouldn't dare lie about that.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

And yet God is still showing up to defend Israel against those dead set on wiping Israel out. Only by God's dominion and sovereingty is Israel standing and will continue to be. It's spiritual riches is God's favor which is priceless.

Ephesians 3:16
That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Don't see how the following could have taken place when Christ walked this earth:
For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. 28 Then you will live in the land I gave your ancestors; you will be my people, and I will be your God. Ez36:24:28

“Don't see how the following could have taken place when Christ walked this earth:”

It hasn’t this has to happen first

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So that gods actual promises can be fulfilled

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-19, 24-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is what Peter is talking about in 2 Peter 3

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods going to restore everything , a new heaven and earth all nations and then Jerusalem will come down from heaven and goodwill forever be among man upon a new and eternal world actually ruled by Jesus Christ as king

The Israel that you see on the news bombing people with us bombs isn’t doing Gods Will they don’t even accept or follow any of Christs principles or doctrine won’t even confess him as lord




“Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬

“And he said unto me, Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with my words unto them. For thou art not sent to a people of a strange speech and of an hard language, but to the house of Israel; not to many people of a strange speech and of an hard language, whose words thou canst not understand. Surely, had I sent thee to them, they would have hearkened unto thee. But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted. Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads. As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭3:4-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Thank you for your thoughts

I appreciate you taking the time to share yours also

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I will not be responding to any more posts trying to explain huge swathes of the plainly written word away

Sounds good I’ll stop replying as well

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Thank you for your thoughts

I Also appreciate the maturity of the interaction and your attitude without the childish and personal insults some engage in here .

 

[Undergrace1]

Israel paid the price for rejecting Jesus. God promised that he would restore them to the land. it's done. Israel will suffer much more during the great tribulation. The remnant left will turn to Jesus. It's in the Bible. Israel's story is not finished.

People feel entitled to overturn/do CON-TEXT of whatever they wish of what is plainly written in the bible to fit their narrative. JWS, Mormons, SDA, Muslims, even christians

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Agreed. God will not permit America to save Israel. 1,000 years of American boasting about how they saved Israel? No thanks.

The US helps and protects Israel because of its Christians.

Most of the Christians in the US will be killed off in the great tribulation because we won't take the mark of the beast. The few left will be powerless to help. The majority left in the US will be the Jew-haters and will join the rest of the world to fight Israel.


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[HeIsHere]

Sounds good I’ll stop replying as well

Generally speaking they do not like being challenged or to re-examine with what they have been indoctrinated, it would rock their world and destabilize them.

They go against Jesus to support a false eschatology, a newspaper eschatology. It really is sad.
I remember when 1988 was the big day... and they just keep pushing it forward making up new ways to read the words in scripture.
Jesus was clearly speaking to the people in his time period of what they would experience. Full stop.

 

[Aaron56]

This is a straw man argument. No one on this forum that I know of claims physical Israel is the same as spiritual Israel. The truth is that physical Israel exists according to God's plan and purpose as revealed in God's word. There is no salvation apart from accepting Christ as Lord and saviour, whatever race or culture the individual is from. John Hagee preaches false doctrine when he claims the Jews will be saved apart from Christ.

The book of Revelation requires the physical nation of Israel to exist before the end of the age. The nations to the north cannot invade a nation that does not exist. I do not understand how anyone can claim that Israel is not the nation born in one day, or deny that Israel exists only because God ordained it. Israel only survives by God's power. It's not that hard to comprehend.

What you believe is that God supports the shadow (physical Israel) and the reality (spiritual Israel) at the same time? No, once the reality appears there is no use for the shadow.

A nation requires 1. people sustained by new birth and 2. a form of governance and/or a ruler. Let’s see if we have a record of a nation being created in a day somewhere in scripture…

In Acts 2 ”“Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is hereto this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne.”

And a little further:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

So, then how can a nation, ruled by the Messiah, appear in one day? Peter gave the way of national identity to the crowd:

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

And in a little bit further:

“And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.”

This nation, ruled by the Messiah, continued to grow. That fulfilled (and is being fulfilled even today) the prophesy in Isaiah where it reads “..and of the increase of His government there will be no end.”

Now, some might say “Well, this is the church. This isn’t a nation. God is just building His church.”

This same Peter, the one who spoke the words in Acts 2 above, would later write to Jew and Gentile (in the flesh) believers this…

“But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.”

Do you see that? Not just the church, but a holy nation. And how did this nation appear? Let’s read on…

“Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.”

The reality of their national identity appeared at once. They went from “not a nation” to “God’s chosen nation” by repentance and belief in Christ Jesus, their ruler. This happens instantly for all who receive Him.

@HeIsHere