I don't believe Live4Him has suggested that. Check his first post.
Repentance and baptism
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Unfortunately, some members here don't even bother to read what people have actually said because they're seemingly here just to argue.
Anyhow, you read my first post properly.
My own experience is that the minister/pastors that I know are certainly not confused about baptism.
Nothing wrong with people talking theology and doctrine on forums and trying to help each other. For new believers my advice is to ask your own minister/pastor.
What you have provided is your opinion of what baptism is and the time frame it is to be administered. But you are not the persons local church or shepherd. I think my advice is wise for new believers - ask your own minister/pastor.
It is not my opinion but what is clearly shown in the Acts of the Apostles. And that is based on the commandment of Christ. Paul went so far as to baptize at midnight (Acts 16). And we see this over and over again in Acts. Do most churches baptize in this fashion?
So how does the person who in his own home who comes to faith - and it's midnight and he has work the next day. How does he get baptized right away. There is no command on time frame for baptism although all would agree it should be as soon as possible.
So it is your own opinion on the time frame of conversion to baptism. The Apostles where there at the time of conversion so where able to immediately baptize. Of course it gets more complex - these where first generation Christians no one in their family before them where saved. Now move forward and we have a community of those who are saved with children who can be baptized. do you see the point I'm making about your view on baptism? There are those who believe in infant baptism and those who have the baptist view.
So it comes back to.... for new believers seek council from your own local minister/pastor who is your shepherd over you. And that's the advice I would give.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit of spirit. Marvel not that I say unto you that you must be born again. The wind bloweth where it wills and you hear the sound but cannot tell where it comes from or where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit. John 3
Being born again (anōthen: from above, again, from the first, from the beginning) is the work of God the Spirit. He comes to whom He wills, when He wills regardless of word or deed. You cannot control God the Spirit (being born again) anymore than you can control the wind. The waters of baptism do not save however, one who is born from above by Spirit will desire to be baptized...
Strong’s concordance app is free on IOS, great tool for digging deeper into scripture.
Yes, the water adherents Today, wants us ALL to "get onto water baptism," but,
THEN, they Disagree as to who, what, when, where, and WHY! {I could show you
THEIR 11 Different "Traditions"...}, But, God Says There Is NO water, Today, Under
HIS GRACE! Be Blessed!:
12 baptisms for ISRAEL! ONE Baptism for The Body Of CHRIST!!
Precious friend, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged on your journey...
Most that I have encountered are thoroughly Confused about water baptism,
And, God Says there is NO water for us, Today, Under GRACE {See previous post...}
10 denominational "traditions" that claim they are ALL Correct, eh?:
1) believe AND be baptized
{i.e. immersion to contact their Christ's blood}?
(2) immersion with a symbolic interpretation?
(3) immersion ONCE in the "name of Jesus?
(4) immersion THRICE in the "name of the Triune Godhead?
(5) immersion {whether once or thrice} for "membership" in
their traditional assembly?
(6) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into religion
washing away their original sin?
(7) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into some covenant?
(8) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into their parent's custody
that they promise to raise them right? {into Mass Confusion?}
(9) sprinkling water on babies, admitting that their ritual is
UNscriptural, but "we do it anyway, because it is OUR tradition!"?
(10) pouring water onto babies or adults for Whatever
traditional reason religion "can come up with"?
(11) Any other "Traditions"(?) I haven't heard of yet?
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"God is NOT the author of Confusion!" Praise HIS Blessed Name!!
All the confusion comes from mis applying the book of Acts . Each group / demonination is obsessed with a particular verse in Acts and claims that ' method' / plan , action is the true one. We have 29 different conversion accounts in a book that's about the transitions that took place. It should be obvious that we should not pick any one of these 29 conversion accounts and make doctrines out of them . Nor should we pick and choose the ones that fit our bias and presups. We should read the book of Romans or Ephesians ect to see how salvation is appropriated . Take eph 1 .13 for example. All these silly denominations do not rightly divide the scriptures .
You said a lot here and I think much of what you have said possibility can be the issue of the condemnation you are feeling.
When you are saved and have a relationship with Jesus
Roman 8: 1 says :
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
You said you fell drained and you provided a list of sins and also said
I constantly notice myself sinning throughout the day and I don’t want to displease God, I struggle with perfectionism and ocd
Baptism is not your issue, having faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and suffering from condemnation is the problem.
You must accept the fact you are not perfect yet, you have the Perfect ONE in You. You are drained because you are fighting the air and trying to do what you can't do without the Lord and his word.
I would say there are 100% of the people in this thread who have been baptized and did some kind of sin on the list you provided.
If anyone says no, I see lying is on the list.
you are new to the faith. and you must trust the Lord and draw near to Him in prayer and reading his word. The renewing of your mind doesn't happen overnight that is a process that will happen over your entire life. the battle not to sin because of your flesh which is not SAVED, will never stop. Being tempted is not an option it will happen. You will never be perfect enough to not be tempted because your flesh has not yet been made perfect. If it was you would not die physically.
We battle daily with prayer the word and drawing near to the Lord and crying out to Him Help me, save me, and run to Him for everything.
You will get baptized not to save you but, because you are wanting to obey the Lord since you Believed. Doing so will not keep you from sinning no more than speaking in tongues does or not doing.
Have this confidence Those who call on the name of the Lord Shall be saved. Heb 4:16
So let us come boldly to the throne of our gracious God. There we will receive his mercy, and we will find grace to help us when we need it most.
Those who come to Jesus, He will never turn away.