LOL You're right my friend..and ..Lot's wife is the salt of the Earth. I hope Samuel won't take offense at that.
Remember Lot's Wife
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LOL You're right my friend..and ..Lot's wife is the salt of the Earth. I hope Samuel won't take offense at that.
eh, Denadii, Samuel is looking at the word, and you're doing just what he said people so often do.
that's all the Bible actually has to say about why she "looked back" - just that she did. everything that follows that in the essay you put is conjecture; like Samuel pointed out, it's projecting ourselves onto the story.
the scripture does not say "she didn't believe God" -- what if she did believe Him?
do you really think that after having angels at her house striking the town blind, and having been physically grabbed by the hand by these angels and taken out of the city by them, that she thought this was all a hoax and nothing was going to happen?
what if she believed God, but looked back after the children she left?
it makes a "more attractive sermon" to claim she loved television and dancing and beer and cigarettes. that kind of diatribe stirs up emotions and shame in people & puts money in the offering plate, and it's what 99% of what you've been told about this story probably amounts to. it may even be true -- but it's not what the scripture says. the scripture just doesn't say.
what if Lot's wife was trying to commit suicide?
if she did believe God, and turned back, knowing that it would cost her her life?
if that's the case, why salt?
why not let her just go to her doom?
she was made into a sign? why? for who?
and why salt?
what does this mean to the people it is for?
Then don't remember Lot's wife (Ps. 119:105, 130, Acts 17:10–12, 1 Cor. 2:10–14, 1 Thess. 2:13, 2 Pet. 1:20, 21).
God has commanded men to repent (Acts 2:38, 26:20.) Should we spiritualize that, too.
"When this book becomes dusty, you become dangerous." ~ Charles Stanley
Wrath--it's a good thing.
And Abraham went early in the morning to the place where he had stood before the LORD. Then he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain; and he saw, and behold, the smoke of the land which went up like the smoke of a furnace. And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when He overthrew the cities in which Lot had dwelt. Genesis 19:27–29 (NKJV)
Folks adding to the bible is never a good idea because in essence you are correcting God because He did not tell the story as you believe it should be told. lets just stick with the facts, and if we do have an opinion about something then be respectful to the Lord enough to explain to everyone that it is your opinion and therefore could be wrong.
The facts are
Because the wife of Lot looked back when she was told not to, and Jesus used the story to emphasize obedience, therefore the human mind is running wild with speculation as to WHY she would look back. Only the Lord knows why she looked back, the rest of us just speculate. Probably the most popular speculation is that she was longing for the pleasures left behind, to that I say, what pleasures. The place was full of perverts and they were almost killed the night before. Could it be that she just heard this great noise and suddenly turned without really thinking of anything? Maybe there is no deep philosophical story behind why she looked back at all, maybe she just made a split second error in judgment and paid for it with her life.
Jesus used the story to emphasize repentance. There is no wild speculation here, Lots wife wanted to stay in Sodom
2 Cor 7.10 rightly divides this.
Do that. Obey. You wouldn't want to be accused of being a defender of Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 13:13).
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I hate rain on your parade of claiming ignorance but Jesus told us exactly why she died in Luke 17. Now you all can spiritualize it away that it may mean nothing, but the fact is Jesus was very clear why Lots wife lost her life. She was not willing to let go of her old life and in attempting to keep her life, she lost it.
You are so very off the wall in just about everything you write, are you trying to be wrong? It would seem that just by accident you would write something that is correct every once in a while. Buddy, I am sure you will not listen, but you need to go back to basics and get your attitude correct.
Actually, if you look at the context where Jesus said this ((remember how we're emphasizing actually reading the scripture?)) He is not talking about repentance at all.
You're sermonizing, the way Samuel pointed out that we so often do.
Jesus was answering three questions that His disciples asked - when will the end if the age of the gentiles come? What will be the sign? When will the judgement come?
That's the context. Not repentance.
And even in Genesis, the context is judgement, and the ones God has compassion on being forcibly removed from judgement by His own hand - angels physically taking hold of them and taking them out.
Not repentance. If it were, wouldn't Lot have taken himself and his family out on his own? All this was for Abrahams sake, not because Lot had some change of heart. Lot hesitated, so the angels grabbed them and took them out themselves. What's that in the context of the end of the age? Of the coming judgement?
In the context of repentance, for that matter, even though that's not the context of these scriptures?
A lot more to this than "flee rock music and sugary foods"
The fact it is all about repentance eludes you because you believe in predestination and election.
you need to stop trying to exert some spiritual authority you think you have over me.
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So the fact about you thinking it's repentance is because Post also believes in two other facts from the Bible -- predestination and election? So fact cancels fact? Or is it that some facts are just supposed to be ignored to keep a personal preference in the facts? I'm not getting you.
So the fact about you thinking it's repentance is because Post also believes in two other facts from the Bible -- predestination and election? So fact cancels fact? Or is it that some facts are just supposed to be ignored to keep a personal preference in the facts? I'm not getting you.
A person that does not believe that free choice is involved in coming to God cannot understand why Jesus said this about Lot's wife because it involves free choice not being picked.
I will not discuss this any more.
Lot was saved but he lost his reward. Are you recommending others fail to obey? Are you recommending others fail to repent before leaving Sodom aka America?
Remember Lot's story so we can smell like we were bought from a fire sale, too?
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Oh, we understand free choice fine. You just rather keep telling the lie that we don't.
NOW I get you. Even if it's not about Calvinism, you have to keep blaming Calvinists on anything you disagree with.
Next question then, how do you deal with Samuel? Because he's neither agreeing with you nor Calvinist?
Look at the scenario. What was Lot's wife doing? She had to be kicked in the butt to get her breathing at the start. She did not want to leave..She was lagging behind when God told them to get out fast. Did she? No. Why not? Do you think God would punish her if she got curious? Curiosity is natural response that God programmed into us. Read deeper.