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Thank you, I also don't argue I just share HIS word so no reason to.
If they want to argue it's between them and JESUS.
Sorry if I offended you but if it's not in GODS word is UNTRUE, I don't have any tact forgive me.
Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
No I don't see asking him in your heart??? I could say if you hear his voice you will and (open the door) obey and get baptized and then he will fill you with his spirit (will come in to him) and then you will have a relationship with him.
Do you also think asking him in your heart is all you have to do to be reborn???? NOT SCRIPTURE SO IT'S UNTRUE.
1 Cor Paul us speaking to members of HIS church and about in a church setting not to the unsaved.
1 Corinthians,
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
What do you call love? Is love something that if I see someone going down the wrong road should I share HIS word and try to help you or just let you go down the wrong road?
Is love helping people or telling them they can follow man and their ideas and still go to Heaven?
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
AGAIN PAUL IS SPEAKING TO HIS CHURCH NOT THE UNSAVED AND HE'S RIGHT we are saved by grace!! GOD GRACEY GIVE US THE WATER.
What did Paul tell those SAME FOKE in Acts 19??
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
SAME THING the rest of JESUS disciples say.
We do agree with iniquity and should agree on EVERYTHING but you don't seem to like the book of Acts so this is ALL IN LOVE.
Believe, repent, get baptized in JESUS name for remission of sins and pray for JESUS to fill you with the Holy Ghost like he did HIS disciples INCLUDING PAUL. John 3:5 Acts 2:38
1. Ask JESUS in your heart.
2. SB occurs at the moment of conversion when we invite Jesus into our heart and become members of his body/church.
3. WB is a way/work of outwardly portraying the inward SB/conversion, which will be followed by manifesting one's spiritual gifts.
I don't mean to be rude in ANYWAY, I just what you to look in HIS word and prove these to be correct IF THEY ARE NOT STOP QUOTING THEM LIKE THEY ARE TRUE.
I am glad you want to have a congenial discussion of GW and even disagree without arguing or being pejorative.
Now, regarding Revelation 3:20, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door,
I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Do you see Jesus beating down the door and entering
without being invited?!
Re baptism: Inviting Jesus inside = having saving faith = getting SB.
Re WB: I was WB in a Baptist church, but no one thought GW said it was salvific = sacramental = essential for salvation.
Re "Do you also think asking him in your heart is all you have to do to be reborn???? NOT SCRIPTURE SO IT'S UNTRUE.":
All you have to do is obey what Jesus said (in terms of faith/F and in terms of works/W):
In Matthew
- Repent (4:17, F),
- Recognize one’s spiritual poverty (5:3, F)
- Be righteous (5:20, W)
- Love your enemies (5:44, W)
- Serve God (6:24&33, W)
- Enter the narrow gate (7:13, F)
- Do God’s will (7:21 & 12:50, F&W)
- Hear and act (7:24, F&W)
- Confess Jesus (10:32, W)
- Love Jesus (10:37, F)
- Give life to Jesus (10:39& 16:24-25, F)
- Have no doubt (11:6, F)
- Come to Jesus (11:28, F)
- Learn from Jesus (11:29, W)
- Be for Jesus (12:30, F)
- Understand (13:23, F)
- Be good (5:48 & 13:38,43,49, W)
- Value salvation (13:44-46, F)
- Believe Jesus (16:16& 21:32, F)
- Become humble (18:3-4 & 19:14, W)
- Forgive others (18:35, W)
- Give to the poor (19:21, W)
- Follow Jesus (19:21&29, F)
- Yield fruit (21:43, W)
- Dress appropriately (22:11-14, cf. RV 16:15, W)
- Love God, neighbor & self (22:37-40, W)
- Hold out until the end (24:13, F)
- Keep awake (24:42 & 25:13, F)
- Be ready (24:44, F&W)
- Be trustworthy and useful (25:21&30, F&W)
- Help Jesus’ brothers (25:34-40, W)
- Be righteous/do right (25:46, F&W)
33. Accept the kingdom (10:15, F)
34. Believe the Gospel (16:16, F)
35. Receive baptism (16:16, W)
In Luke
- Be hated (6:22-23, W)
- Lend (6:35, W)
- Judge not (6:37, W)
- Invite the poor to your party (14:13-14, W)
- Use wealth wisely (16:9, W)
- Stand firm (21:19, F)
- Be born again (3:3&6, F)
- Come to the light (3:21, F)
- Obey the Son (8:51 & 14:15, W)
- Drink living water (4:14, F)
- Heed Jesus (5:24, W)
- Do right (5:29, W)
- Work for the food of life (6:27, W)
- Partake of the bread of life (6:33-35&51, F)
- Eat the flesh and drink the blood of Christ (6:54, F)
- Dwell within the truth (8:31&35, W)
- Hate self; serve Jesus (12:25-26, W)
- Accept Jesus’ words (12:47, F)
- Follow Jesus’ example (13:15-17, W)
- Dwell in Jesus and in love (15:5-10, F&W)
- Heed his command (15:10-12, F)
- Know God and Jesus Christ (17:3, F)
- Believe Jesus is Christ/Son (20:31, F)
You will notice that be WB is only one way of saying how to be saved.
Over...
You sure are good at deflection SO MUCH FOR KEEPING IT SIMPLE.
I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO GET YOU TO PROVE WHAT YOU SAY WITH HIS WORD.
You can do all the talking you want and share all the scripture you want that has NOTHING to do with the questions.
So you were baptized in a baptist church meaning you were baptized in JESUS titles, the father the son and the Holy Ghost AGAIN WHICH IS NOT BIBLE. YOU NEED TO BE REBAPTIZED.
Baptise preachers DON'T FOLLOW HIS WORD, THAT IS WHY NO ONE THERE SAID IT WAS NECESSARY.
I can see why you think the way you do.
NOW YOUR SPREADING THOSE " UNTRUTHS" AS THEY ARE TRUE.
DON'T YOU SEE THE PROBLEM?
And I like you, followed a baptize preacher because I was one also.
Later in life I found out the differences in denominations and ANYONE WHO DOES NOT PREACH HIS WORD ALL OF IT ARE wolves in sheep's clothing.
You are as hard as a rock, I have tried to plant seeds no reason for this to go on just keep this in mind when you stand in front of JESUS he will be the one judging you with HIS rule book.
Along with all of the preachers who are not following HIS rule book and it will be worse for them as they will have A LOT of blood in their hands.
Since you are NOT FOLLOWING JESUS but the baptist preacher anyone who follows you, their blood will be on your hands.
Is sharing the truth LOVE?
We all have choices to make, and until you accept how to be reborn your making bad ones. But you do you.
Believe, repent, get baptized in JESUS name and pray for JESUS to fill you with HIMSELF the Holy Ghost YOU WILL SPEAK IN TONGUES. John 3:5, Acts 2:38-9, Mark 16:16-17
Dusting my feet, look at what will happen for people who refuses to accept his word.
Matthew 10:14-15
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Keep in mind, it was LOVE trying to get you to answer simple questions, it's not about me it's about YOU AND JESUS.
FYI, I will ALWAYS call someone out when the are saying "UNTRUTHS" like you and any baptist preacher.
GRFS can be states simply as "Accept/believe in Jesus as Messiah/Christ and Lord", and elaborated in the 5 points I have posted previously, but if you want to go further/ask questions, it gets more complicated, and we must endeavor to harmonize what Jesus said regarding GRFS with what Paul taught.
The way I harmonize them is by understanding that sinners are saved by faith first (at which point the HS indwells), and genuine saving faith/the HS motivates/produces loving/good works/fruit. One of these good works/acts is WB.
I see no problem with this understanding, but I understand that you do, because you ignore Scripture contradicting your opinion,
which could just as well call into question whether YOU need to be SB. Re "dusting feet": So Yesterday. LIC, GWH
Problem is they are your words NOT JESUS'S.
Problem is you can not find scripture backing up YOUR WORDS so they are NOT TRUE.
I would ask you how do we get rid of our sins but I've been down that road and done.
I would ask you where do those who do not get rid of their sins OR JESUS didn't fill them with the Holy Ghost go, but same road.
One whould think if you had the Holy Ghost you would be getting a spirit check when saying things not true. If you have not spoke in tongues you can think of that.
I can see clealy, I have been baptized and JESUS has filled me with HIS spirit, just like he did Paul and the rest of HIS DISCIPLES. Key words HIS DISCIPLES.
Look at this verse, John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see (SEE, SEE, SEE) the kingdom of God.
They are Paul's words, and I believe he was inspired by Jesus,
and I sense a judgmental and divisive spirit in you instead of God's loving HS.
So much for congenial discussion.
And regarding speaking in tongues, the original occurrence at Pentecost (in Acts 2:4-11) was earthly languages
given as a sign of reversing Babel for the purpose of evangelism, but by the time of its occurrence in the
Corinthian church it had morphed into mere babble, which Paul tried to quash as tactfully as he could (1Cor. 14:19),
and my guess is that you have the faux version that is pagan if not a demonic imitation of the real gift (2Cor. 11:14).
Paul didn't say just ask JESUS in your heart.
Paul didn't say SB occurs at the moment of conversion when we invite Jesus into our heart and become members of his body/church.
Paul didn't say WB is a way/work of outwardly portraying the inward SB/conversion, which will be followed by manifesting one's spiritual gifts.
So who's lying You or Paul?
Neither, but you seem ignorant of Paul saying that "If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ." (Rom. 8:9)
So now you know that Paul implied WB is a way/work of outwardly portraying the inward SB/conversion (1Cor. 12:13).
Just add this knowledge to what Jesus said regarding GRFS:
In Matthew
- Repent (4:17, F),
- Recognize one’s spiritual poverty (5:3, F)
- Be righteous (5:20, W)
- Love your enemies (5:44, W)
- Serve God (6:24&33, W)
- Enter the narrow gate (7:13, F)
- Do God’s will (7:21 & 12:50, F&W)
- Hear and act (7:24, F&W)
- Confess Jesus (10:32, W)
- Love Jesus (10:37, F)
- Give life to Jesus (10:39& 16:24-25, F)
- Have no doubt (11:6, F)
- Come to Jesus (11:28, F)
- Learn from Jesus (11:29, W)
- Be for Jesus (12:30, F)
- Understand (13:23, F)
- Be good (5:48 & 13:38,43,49, W)
- Value salvation (13:44-46, F)
- Believe Jesus (16:16& 21:32, F)
- Become humble (18:3-4 & 19:14, W)
- Forgive others (18:35, W)
- Give to the poor (19:21, W)
- Follow Jesus (19:21&29, F)
- Yield fruit (21:43, W)
- Dress appropriately (22:11-14, cf. RV 16:15, W)
- Love God, neighbor & self (22:37-40, W)
- Hold out until the end (24:13, F)
- Keep awake (24:42 & 25:13, F)
- Be ready (24:44, F&W)
- Be trustworthy and useful (25:21&30, F&W)
- Help Jesus’ brothers (25:34-40, W)
- Be righteous/do right (25:46, F&W)
33. Accept the kingdom (10:15, F)
34. Believe the Gospel (16:16, F)
35. Receive baptism (16:16, W)
In Luke
- Be hated (6:22-23, W)
- Lend (6:35, W)
- Judge not (6:37, W)
- Invite the poor to your party (14:13-14, W)
- Use wealth wisely (16:9, W)
- Stand firm (21:19, F)
- Be born again (3:3&6, F)
- Come to the light (3:21, F)
- Obey the Son (8:51 & 14:15, W)
- Drink living water (4:14, F)
- Heed Jesus (5:24, W)
- Do right (5:29, W)
- Work for the food of life (6:27, W)
- Partake of the bread of life (6:33-35&51, F)
- Eat the flesh and drink the blood of Christ (6:54, F)
- Dwell within the truth (8:31&35, W)
- Hate self; serve Jesus (12:25-26, W)
- Accept Jesus’ words (12:47, F)
- Follow Jesus’ example (13:15-17, W)
- Dwell in Jesus and in love (15:5-10, F&W)
- Heed his command (15:10-12, F)
- Know God and Jesus Christ (17:3, F)
- Believe Jesus is Christ/Son (20:31, F)
No Paul is right.
People who got the spirit.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 10,
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
INCLUDING PAUL.
1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
Anyone who hasn't is NOT of Christ.
"So now you know that Paul implied WB is a way/work of outwardly portraying the inward SB/conversion (1Cor. 12:13)."
I only know that YOU said Paul IMPLIED?? WHEN WILL YOU STOP WITH DECEIVING?
1 Corinthians 12: For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
THAT DOES NOT SAY WHAT YOU SAY IT SAYS so guess what, yep it's lie.
FROM PAUL,
Romans 6:3-4
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
PAUL ASKING YOU THIS, HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST SINCE YOU HAVE BELIEVED? HOW WERE YOU BAPTIZED?
Acts 19
King James Version
19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
I have no idea, but if your sill following the baptist preacher you have to be baptized in JESUS name and you have NOT got the Holy Ghost and need to.
I'm sorry, but the reason so many different denominations are because of people like you who put words in JESUS disciples mouths.
You can't just read the words and obey what they say you have to add or subtract words to make them say what YOU want them to say.
NOW WE know why JESUS said this, Matthew 7:13-14
King James Version
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
The last 4 verses in HIS WORD.
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
IT'S NOT TO LATE, REPENT AND OBEY.
Like I said, I have no disagreement with the Scriptures you cited; merely with your interpretation of some,
but YOU are the one who ignores Scripture you don't like, so apply that advice to yourself and cure the Pope complex.
That is the problem "YOU SAY"
If you want a personal relationship with JESUS we have to listen to what HE SAYS.
That is what I have been trying to tell you this whole time, YOUR words don't count when it comes to how to be reborn.
The only thing you have unwavering faith in is what you some baptist preacher taught you and yourself.
Can't ENTER Heaven with sin, best of luck.
Ditto, Pope Ouch. I guess you missed my saying how I have read four translations of GW completely through taking notes
on what HE SAYS in the margins, learning to reject OSAS, so now I preach the following:
The Gospel kerygma proclaims GRFS, which calls for repentance and acceptance of Jesus as Lord, which is an all or nothing decision that occurs at one moment in time. The didache teaches God’s will regarding how saints or those who have been saved should live in order to be a good witness for Christ, which involves learning more of God’s Word throughout one’s lifetime. A passage teaching this truth is Colossians 2:6-7: “Just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord [kerygma], continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught [didache].” There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking/living (EPH 2:8-10, 2CR 5:7, RM 1:17), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime.
The kerygma/GRFS should be every Christian’s creed, and only belief in this crucial truth should be viewed as a test for orthodoxy or heresy. As Paul wrote in Romans 10:9, “If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Conversely, judgments concerning a person’s spiritual orientation or ultimate destiny should not be made on the basis of didachaic or secondary doctrines. (If any judgment is made, it should begin with a self-examination per MT 7:1&5, 2CR 13:5-8).
A major reason many Christians (e.g., Ouch) have not manifested the love and unity of God’s Spirit (EPH 4:3) as well as they should is because of failure to realize this truth. If they did, it would free them to speak honestly and fellowship without becoming unduly upset about relatively minor issues (e.g., WB). They would receive God’s blessing as peacemakers, who draw inclusive circles around people based on the kerygma rather than denominational lines between them due to didachaic differences. Jesus prayed for spiritual unity (cf. JN 17:20-23, “May they be one…”). Thus, unity regarding the Gospel is more important than accuracy regarding doctrinal details.
The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:
- There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4, EZK 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
- Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (MT 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18, RM 2:5-11).
- Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (RM 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1CR 15:14-28).
- Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
- Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (JN 14:6, 17&26, RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
(Glad this is only excommunication and not inquisition!)
Ditto, Pope Ouch. I guess you missed my saying how I have read four translations of GW completely through taking notes
on what HE SAYS in the margins, learning to reject OSAS, so now I preach the following:
The Gospel kerygma proclaims GRFS, which calls for repentance and acceptance of Jesus as Lord, which is an all or nothing decision that occurs at one moment in time. The didache teaches God’s will regarding how saints or those who have been saved should live in order to be a good witness for Christ, which involves learning more of God’s Word throughout one’s lifetime. A passage teaching this truth is Colossians 2:6-7: “Just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord [kerygma], continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught [didache].” There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking/living (EPH 2:8-10, 2CR 5:7, RM 1:17), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime.
The kerygma/GRFS should be every Christian’s creed, and only belief in this crucial truth should be viewed as a test for orthodoxy or heresy. As Paul wrote in Romans 10:9, “If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Conversely, judgments concerning a person’s spiritual orientation or ultimate destiny should not be made on the basis of didachaic or secondary doctrines. (If any judgment is made, it should begin with a self-examination per MT 7:1&5, 2CR 13:5-8).
A major reason many Christians (e.g., Ouch) have not manifested the love and unity of God’s Spirit (EPH 4:3) as well as they should is because of failure to realize this truth. If they did, it would free them to speak honestly and fellowship without becoming unduly upset about relatively minor issues (e.g., WB). They would receive God’s blessing as peacemakers, who draw inclusive circles around people based on the kerygma rather than denominational lines between them due to didachaic differences. Jesus prayed for spiritual unity (cf. JN 17:20-23, “May they be one…”). Thus, unity regarding the Gospel is more important than accuracy regarding doctrinal details.
The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:
Although perfection is not achieved in this life, the necessity of learning the didache in order to strive for perfection indicates the need for perseverance or to keep on learning and growing spiritually until we die physically (PHP 3:12-14). Thus, although learning any specific part of the didache is not GRFS, a person who does not “hunger and thirst for righteousness” (MT 5:6) or want to learn “every word that comes from the mouth of God” (MT 4:4) fails the self-examination Paul commanded and Jesus implied (mentioned previously).
- There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4, EZK 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
- Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (MT 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18, RM 2:5-11).
- Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (RM 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1CR 15:14-28).
- Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
- Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (JN 14:6, 17&26, RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
(Glad this is only excommunication and not inquisition!)
PAUL ASKING YOU THIS, HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST SINCE YOU HAVE BELIEVED? HOW WERE YOU BAPTIZED?
Acts 19
King James Version
19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
I have no idea, but if your sill following the baptist preacher you have to be baptized in JESUS name and you have NOT got the Holy Ghost and need to.
You follow Paul, will you accept and answer him?
Paul asked those who had believed the gospel according to John the Baptist, which was based on the OT,
and rebaptized them in accordance with the NT Gospel. This event is not normative!
Again, I have read four translations of GW completely through taking notes on what HE SAYS in the margins,
learning to reject OSAS, so now I preach the following:
The Gospel kerygma proclaims GRFS, which calls for repentance and acceptance of Jesus as Lord, which is an all or nothing decision that occurs at one moment in time. The didache teaches God’s will regarding how saints or those who have been saved should live in order to be a good witness for Christ, which involves learning more of God’s Word throughout one’s lifetime. A passage teaching this truth is Colossians 2:6-7: “Just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord [kerygma], continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught [didache].” There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking/living (EPH 2:8-10, 2CR 5:7, RM 1:17), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime.
The kerygma/GRFS should be every Christian’s creed, and only belief in this crucial truth should be viewed as a test for orthodoxy or heresy. As Paul wrote in Romans 10:9, “If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Conversely, judgments concerning a person’s spiritual orientation or ultimate destiny should not be made on the basis of didachaic or secondary doctrines. (If any judgment is made, it should begin with a self-examination per MT 7:1&5, 2CR 13:5-8).
A major reason many Christians (e.g., Ouch) have not manifested the love and unity of God’s Spirit (EPH 4:3) as well as they should is because of failure to realize this truth. If they did, it would free them to speak honestly and fellowship without becoming unduly upset about relatively minor issues (e.g., WB). They would receive God’s blessing as peacemakers, who draw inclusive circles around people based on the kerygma rather than denominational lines between them due to didachaic differences. Jesus prayed for spiritual unity (cf. JN 17:20-23, “May they be one…”). Thus, unity regarding the Gospel is more important than accuracy regarding doctrinal details.
The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:
- There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4, EZK 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
- Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (MT 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18, RM 2:5-11).
- Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (RM 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1CR 15:14-28).
- Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
- Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (JN 14:6, 17&26, RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
If you know any preacher who agrees with this, then I agree with him.
What part of what I believe do YOU disbelieve?
(I trust you will read with an open mind all of the Scripture I cited before responding,
so we the discussion does not degenerate into verbal pejorative ping-pong--
as I notice you have a tendency to do. Thanks, I will wait patiently for a well-founded reply.)