Quran Contradictions

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👉🏼👉🏼Kong isa isahin natin ang Error ng Quran kaya🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Part 1 ....
👉🏼Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong?👈

👉🏼 Sura 34:50 commands Muhammad to say, "If I go astray, I go astray only to my own loss," which is a severe factual error in the Qur'an as well as contradicting the teaching of the Qur'an in a number of other verses.👈
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Allah, Adam, and the Angels. There are a great number of problems and inconsistencies between the several accounts of Adam's creation, Allah's command to prostrate before Adam, Satans refusal, etc.👈

#1.💥Who Was the First Muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]?
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Can Allah be seen and did Muhammad see his Lord? Yes [S. 53:1-18, 81:15-29], No [6:102-103, 42:51].👈
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Were Warners Sent to All Mankind Before Muhammad? Allah had supposedly sent warners to every people [10:47, 16:35-36, 35:24], Abraham and Ishmael are specifically claimed to have visited Mecca and built the Kaaba [2:125-129]. Yet, Muhammad supposedly is sent to a people who never had a messenger before [28:46, 32:3, 34:44, 36:2-6]. This article also raises other issues: What about Hud and Salih who supposedly were sent to the Arabs? What about the Book that was supposedly given to Ishmael? Etc.👈

👉🏼What will be the food for the people in Hell? The food for the people in Hell will be only "Dhari" [Sura 88:6], or only foul pus from the washing of wounds [S. 69:36], or will they also get to eat from the tree of Zaqqum [S. 37:66]?👈

👇👇 Together, these verses constitute three contradictions.
Can Angels Cause the Death of People? The Qur'an attacks those who worship anyone besides God (e.g. angels or prophets) because those can neither create, nor give life, nor cause anyone to die. Yet, the Qur'an explicitly states that one angel or several angels are causing certain people to die [Sura 4:97, 16:28, 32, 32:11].👈👈
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Confusion Concerning Identity of the Spirit and Gabriel (a long discussion of dozens of references)
'Iddah rules for divorced and widowed women appear to be arbitrary and inconsistent.
Is there a minimum age of marriage for girls?🤣😂
To Marry or Not to Marry? The Qur'an forbids believers to marry idolatrous women [Sura 2:221], and calls Christians idolaters and unbelievers [9:28-33], but still allows Muslims to marry Christian women [5:5].
Will it be accepted of them or not?
Will Allah reward the good deeds of Unbelievers? S. 9:17 and 9:69 clearly say no. However, S. 99:7 implies yes. Moreover, S. 2:62 promises Christians reward for their good deeds. But S. 9:28-33; 5:17, 72-73 calls Christians idolaters, and S. 9:17 is very clear that idolaters will have no reward.
Should Muslims Accept Peace or Not?
Fighting All People Until They Do What?
Can They Disbelieve in the Last Day and be Safe?

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Should Muslims show kindness to their parents? On the one hand, the Quran commands all Muslims to show kindness to their parents, even if they are disbelievers [17:23-24, 31:14-15, 29:8, etc.]. On the other hand, it demands not to show any love or friendship to those who oppose Muhammad, even if they are their parents [9:23, 58:22].
Can one be a believer in God and oppose Muhammad at the same time?
How many mothers does a Muslim have? Only one [58:2, the woman who gave birth and none else], or two [4:23, including the mother who nursed him], or at least ten [33:6]?👈👈
 
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I don't know how you read it. The Koran doesn't say that Christians is idolaters,
You are deliberately spreading the seeds of hatred and false lies
 
soberxp said:
I don't know how you read it. The Koran doesn't say that Christians is idolaters,
You are deliberately spreading the seeds of hatred and false lies
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Peace.

You are, of course, quite correct.

The Beloved never refers to Christians and Jews as ‘mushrikun’ (‘polytheists’, or ‘idolaters’). He refers to them as ‘Ahl al-kitab’ (the ‘People of the Book’ – an honorific title). This is what He has to say about them:

‘Those who believe, and do good deeds, are the best of creation. Their reward with their Lord is everlasting Gardens graced with flowing streams, where they will stay forever. Allāh is well pleased with them and they with Him. All this is for those who stand in awe of their Lord.’ (Al-Bayyina: 7-8; my emphasis).

Take especial note of these verses. I was a Christian for over sixty-five years. It has been my privilege to know – and to love – many Christians who were shining examples of Christian love and good practice. These verses assure me that they shall have their reward in Heaven; that every Christian, and every Jew, who carries the Beloved in their hearts, and who strives to do good, will have their reward. This is a solemn promise, and the Beloved does not renege on His promises.

Although these verses are addressing those Jews and Christians who believe in Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla), and who express their belief in works, they apply also to those Muslims who do likewise.

Belief, in this context, is the child of faith – of trust, if you like. It is not a passive state of mind, but an active one. It has to be enacted, otherwise it is meaningless. This is what St Paul meant when he wrote that ‘faith without works is dead’.

Consider this:

A Muslim man is not permitted to marry a ‘mushrikun’. He is, however, permitted to marry a Christian or Jewish woman; moreover, she has the absolute – and unbreakable – right, not only to retain her Faith, but to practise it. My wife, for example, is a Christian.

May the Beloved bless you for your integrity; and may He keep you – and all you love – close to Himself; bringing each to their reward.
 
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Niblo said:
May the Beloved bless you for your integrity; and may He keep you – and all you love – close to Himself; bringing each to their reward.
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The Beloved is not how Muslims normally refer to Allah.

It sounds more Sufi? Yes? No? I am curious :D
 
Niblo said:
Peace.

You are, of course, quite correct.

The Beloved never refers to Christians and Jews as ‘mushrikun’ (‘polytheists’, or ‘idolaters’). He refers to them as ‘Ahl al-kitab’ (the ‘People of the Book’ – an honorific title). This is what He has to say about them:

‘Those who believe, and do good deeds, are the best of creation. Their reward with their Lord is everlasting Gardens graced with flowing streams, where they will stay forever. Allāh is well pleased with them and they with Him. All this is for those who stand in awe of their Lord.’ (Al-Bayyina: 7-8; my emphasis).

Take especial note of these verses. I was a Christian for over sixty-five years. It has been my privilege to know – and to love – many Christians who were shining examples of Christian love and good practice. These verses assure me that they shall have their reward in Heaven; that every Christian, and every Jew, who carries the Beloved in their hearts, and who strives to do good, will have their reward. This is a solemn promise, and the Beloved does not renege on His promises.

Although these verses are addressing those Jews and Christians who believe in Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla), and who express their belief in works, they apply also to those Muslims who do likewise.

Belief, in this context, is the child of faith – of trust, if you like. It is not a passive state of mind, but an active one. It has to be enacted, otherwise it is meaningless. This is what St Paul meant when he wrote that ‘faith without works is dead’.

Consider this:

A Muslim man is not permitted to marry a ‘mushrikun’. He is, however, permitted to marry a Christian or Jewish woman; moreover, she has the absolute – and unbreakable – right, not only to retain her Faith, but to practise it. My wife, for example, is a Christian.

May the Beloved bless you for your integrity; and may He keep you – and all you love – close to Himself; bringing each to their reward.
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Christians are called infidels in the Quran right? Why did you switch to Islam? Is it true that Muslims will be given 72 virgins as wives in Paradise? And that there will be a free sex market in Paradise and also overflowing rivers of wine? Alcohol is not allowed here for Muslims but it will be allowed in Paradise? A drunken orgy in Paradise is quite shocking. How dangerous for a religion that is the second largest in the world. Muhammad is a pedophile pervert. Maybe you should consider going back to Christianity.
 
Niblo said:
A Muslim man is not permitted to marry a ‘mushrikun’. He is, however, permitted to marry a Christian or Jewish woman; moreover, she has the absolute – and unbreakable – right, not only to retain her Faith, but to practise it. My wife, for example, is a Christian.

May the Beloved bless you for your integrity; and may He keep you – and all you love – close to Himself; bringing each to their reward.
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Even speaking of nothing else, isn't the treatment of women in Islam abhorant to you? Jesus treated women with love and respect, but the Islam religion is known for treating its women worse than we would treat our dogs. Or does the fact that your wife remains a Christian shield her from ill treatment she might otherwise receive?
 
Tinkerbell725 said:
Christians are called infidels in the Quran right? Why did you switch to Islam? Is it true that Muslims will be given 72 virgins as wives in Paradise? And that there will be a free sex market in Paradise and also overflowing rivers of wine? Alcohol is not allowed here for Muslims but it will be allowed in Paradise? A drunken orgy in Paradise is quite shocking. How dangerous for a religion that is the second largest in the world. Muhammad is a pedophile pervert. Maybe you should consider going back to Christianity.
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Peace,

Thank you for your reply. Time is a wee bit pressing at the moment; but, in šāʾAllāh, I hope to return soon. Your questions deserve, considered replies.

Meantime, may the Beloved bless you, and all you hold dear.
 
presidente said:
I took a university class on Islam and Arabic classes. What I was taught was that a kafir, an infidel, was a separate category from Jewish and Christians who are known as people of the book, ahli kitab. An idolater is a kafir.
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I got called kaffir by muslims. Using their fists was something that they thought was ok
 
Peace, @Tinkerbell725

You write:

‘Christians are called infidels in the Quran right?

Nope!

The word ‘infidel’ was coined in the mid-15th century. It is derived from the Middle French ‘infidèle’, or Latin ‘īnfidēlis’; meaning ‘not faithful’; and was used by the Church to denote anyone who did not accept its core doctrines, or who belonged to a different religion. The word does not exist in classical Arabic, and is not found in the Qur’an.

‘Infidel’ is sometimes used (incorrectly) to render the Qur’anic word ‘kafir’; a word derived from the root K-F-R (kafara); one meaning of which is ‘to cover’ or ‘to conceal’:

'Bear in mind that the present life is just a game, a diversion, an attraction, a cause of boasting among you, of rivalry in wealth and children. It is like plants that spring up after rain: their growth at first delights the sowers ('l-kufāra'), but then you see them wither away, turn yellow, and become stubble. There is terrible punishment in the next life as well as forgiveness and approval from Allāh; the life of this world is only an illusory pleasure.' (Al-Hadid: 20).

A sower covers the seed at planting time; and because of this may be called (without any pejorative implication) a ‘kafir’ – ‘one who covers’.

Kufr becomes a sin when a believer (Jew, Christian or Muslim) deliberately buries – in her heart – what she knows to be true, in order to disobey: ‘I know I really shouldn’t be doing this, but I’m going to do it anyway….just this once……it’ll be alright.’

John Calvin captures the meaning of ‘kufr’ (in this context) when he writes:

‘I say, therefore, that he sins against the Holy Spirit who, while so constrained by the power of divine truth that he cannot plead ignorance, yet deliberately resists, and that merely for the sake of resisting.’ (‘Institutes of the Christian Religion; Book 3; Chapter 3; Section 22).

The word ‘kafir’ is also used to denote one who is ungrateful; one who refuses to acknowledge favours given by their Lord:

‘And so Moses said to his people, ‘Remember God’s blessing on you when He saved you from Pharaoh’s people, who were inflicting terrible suffering on you, slaughtering your sons and sparing only your women – that was a severe test from your Lord! Remember that He promised, “If you are grateful, I will give you more, but if you are ungrateful (‘kafartum’), My punishment is terrible indeed.” ’ And Moses said, ‘Even if you, together with everybody else on earth, are ungrateful, God is self-sufficient, worthy of all praise.’
(Ibrahim: 6-8).

Puritan Muslims use ‘kafir’ as a term of abuse; applying it especially to Christians and Jews. This is not correct. Indeed, according to the Encyclopaedia of Islam, a Muslim commits an offence if he accuses a Christian or a Jew of unbelief (cf. Encyclopaedia of Islam: second edition).

It has already been said: Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) refers to Christian and Jews as ‘Ahl al-kitab’ (the ‘People of the Book’ – an honorific title). This is what He has to say about them:

‘Those who believe, and do good deeds, are the best of creation. Their reward with their Lord is everlasting Gardens graced with flowing streams, where they will stay forever. Allāh is well pleased with them and they with Him. All this is for those who stand in awe of their Lord.’ (Al-Bayyina: 7-8; my emphasis).

Puritans claim that these verses have been abrogated by the following:

‘If anyone seeks a religion other than complete devotion to Allāh, it will not be accepted from him: he will be one of the losers in the Hereafter.’ (Al‘Imran: 85).

The words ‘complete devotion’ are a rendition of ‘islam’; a word that is never capitalised in Arabic. This word can also be rendered ‘submission’.

Puritans take the word ‘religion’, and then capitalise ‘islam’; giving the impression that the verse refers to that particular Faith alone. They argue that Islam is the only religion acceptable to Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla). At the same time, they claim (correctly) that Islam is not merely a ‘religion’, but a way of life. But so are Christianity and Judaism (and all other religions, too, of course). And the best ‘way of life’ is one spent in complete devotion to the Beloved.

Al‘Imran: 85 can safely be rendered: ‘If anyone seeks a way of life other than complete devotion to Allāh, it will not be accepted from him: he will be one of the losers in the Hereafter.’

By the way, sūrah Al‘Imran was the 89th to be revealed. Sūrah Al-Bayyina was the 100th.

I would be very interested to learn how a sūrah can abrogate one that came after it.

I hope this answers your question.

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You wanted to know why I became a Muslim.

Allow me to speak of my journey:

I was raised as a Baptist in South Wales. At the age of fifteen I became a Catholic, and I remained one for over fifty years.

My mother contracted leukaemia at the age of forty-six, and died a year later at the age of a hundred.

She had no hair, no teeth, no visible muscular structure, and no voice. Her capillaries had shattered to such an extent that her entire body was one unbroken bruise. She suffered both physical and mental torment. It was a very hard way to die. It was very hard for my father to watch her die, and to realise (as he did very early in her illness) that he was powerless to take this illness from her. He prayed to God for a cure, but in vain. My father (who was raised as a Baptist but became a Catholic before I was born) never set foot in a chapel or church again.

I stopped going to church. Instead, I attended inter-faith meetings; bible classes and so on. I went as an enemy of the Beloved. I went for one purpose only, and that was to do all I could to undermine the faith of as many folk as possible; to make their spiritual lives a misery. I was well educated in Christian doctrine and practice, and I knew how to debate. I took great pride in my ability to make others feel bad about themselves. This went on for a couple of years. I felt I was doing really well!

One night, while alone in my house, and planning mischief for my next meeting, I was ‘grabbed’ (this is the only way I can describe it). It felt as though I was being seized by the neck and pushed to my knees. There was nothing physical….I felt no hands, heard no voices…..but I could not resist. I began to speak in a language I did not – and do not – understand; and, as a spoke, there came a vivid and terrible awareness of the odious, self-opinionated, hateful creature I had become. It was as though my soul had been laid bare. I saw myself for what I truly was, and it hurt. It really hurt. To this day I’m sure it was the Beloved telling me – somehow – that enough was enough. There was to be no buts about it. I had to stop, and I did stop.

I returned to Church, and for ten years was a professed member of the Carmelite Third Order. I spent a year with the Carmelite Friars at Hazlewood Castle in Yorkshire (now a hotel); and over a year with the Cistercians at Mount Saint Bernard Abbey in Leicester, testing a vocation (I had enjoyed a seven-year relationship with the Cistercians before my mother’s death). It became clear that life in a religious order was not my calling, and so I became a husband and dad (as the Abbey Secretary said to me: ‘Our novitiate is a seedbed of good Catholic marriages!’).

I look back at my time with the Carmelites and Cistercians with great affection. Even though I no longer share their doctrinal beliefs, I admire their spirituality, and their honest convictions; and their way of life – especially the Cistercians. It has been my privilege to know many excellent Christians: paternal grandfather; priests, religious and laity. Each was an example of the best of their Faith.

About twenty years ago my son became a Muslim. He obtained a degree in Classical Arabic; married a Moroccan lass (who I consider to be my third daughter); and now lives there. He is a published translator of Qur’an and aḥadīth exegesis; and of other scholarly works. My daughter (in-law) is a sharifa. One of her ancestors, ʻAbd al-Salām ibn Mashīsh al-ʻAlamī, was the spiritual guide of Abu al-Hasan ash-Shadhili, founder of the Shadhili Tariqa. My son is a Sufi of that tariqa; and a murīd of Shaykh Seyyed Hossein Nasr.

Having gained a Muslim family, I made it my business to learn all I could about Islam (I’m still learning). It was during this long process that I began to question certain Christian beliefs I once held as true; and which I defended many times over the years. Moving from Christianity to Islam was not an easy journey; but it was the right journey..…at least for me.

As a guest in a Christian forum, it would be inappropriate for me to discuss – in detail – those Christians doctrines I no longer believe, and why. Permit me, instead, to state those I do believe:

I believe – without reservation – that the Beloved (Exalted is He) is our Creator and Lord; who can be known with certainty, by the natural light of reason from created things; who is absolutely perfect; who is actually infinite in every perfection; who is absolutely simple; who is the True God, possessing an infinite power of cognition; who is absolute Veracity; who is absolutely faithful; who is absolute ontological Goodness in Himself and in relation to others; who is absolute Moral Goodness or Holiness; who is absolute Benignity; who is absolutely immutable; who is eternal and everywhere present in created space; whose knowledge is infinite; whose Attributes really are identical among themselves and with His Essence; who is omnipotent; who is Lord of the heavens and of the earth; who is infinitely just and infinitely merciful.

My aim, in šāʾ Allāh, is to attempt to answer each of you questions in their turn (from now on!).

Having posted a reply, I will spend as long as you wish discussing it; and then – when we are done – move on to the next. I hope this is acceptable to you.

If ever you wish to discontinue our conversation, please say so. It will be done.

May the Exalted continue to bless you; and keep you – and all you love – safe in these difficult times.
 
You have spent a life supposedly learning about God, Jesus was God in the flesh and requires personal, one on one relationship with him, and He comes in to indwell His own, no outward form of merely talking about Him.
If you desire to learn truth , seek this personal one on one relationship with Him. Invite Him to indwell you. Then you will be where you need to be.
God is not the author of confusion, the other side is.
 
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