Questions about Adam and Eve

[Magenta]

Yes please, never hesitate to ask at all.
I may delay in my reply because I'm still pondering the answer from @Magenta. I asked him some simple questions, but he gave me deep answers that it has thrown me into a sea of thought. That's why I love him. His answers expand my thinking.

Thank you, I am happy to help you understand better. I must get ready to go to work
now but if it is not too busy I am allowed to be online. Perhaps I will see you later!

 

[Cameron143]

Yes please, never hesitate to ask at all.
I may delay in my reply because I'm still pondering the answer from @Magenta. I asked him some simple questions, but he gave me deep answers that it has thrown me into a sea of thought. That's why I love him. His answers expand my thinking.

How does someone become a member of Islam?

 

[Bataal]

Hmm - you don't know what "Spit" is??? gimme a break. you've never spit anything out of your mouth???

Of course, I know the meaning of the word spit, but its placement in your previous answer doesn't make sense to me and I couldn't understand what you meant.

 

[Bataal]

How does someone become a member of Islam?

Just sincerely recite the Shahada (Declaration of Faith) which must be made with understanding and belief, and learn about the basic beliefs and practices of Islam, including the five pillars of Islam.
I think it is similar to Christianity in terms of faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, confession of Faith..etc

 

[Cameron143]

Just sincerely recite the Shahada (Declaration of Faith) which must be made with understanding and belief, and learn about the basic beliefs and practices of Islam, including the five pillars of Islam.
I think it is similar to Christianity in terms of faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, confession of Faith..etc

While there are similarities, there are significant differences. For example, faith in what?

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Of course, I know the meaning of the word spit, but its placement in your previous answer doesn't make sense to me and I couldn't understand what you meant.

"Spit" is exactly what the Quran is worth in terms of Spiritual value.

It's nothing but a collection of FANTASIES AND LIES - THE worst of Which is that: Jesus did not die on the cross.

 

[Bataal]

It is almost seven in the morning here Well, Bataal, Jesus was part of God's plan before creation even happened, and the prophets told of His coming... as I said much earlier, Genesis 3:15 is the first "mention" of Jesus. Jesus said Abraham saw His day and was glad. We take that to mean Abraham understood Jesus was coming as Savior, long before He ever did. The Old Testament Scriptures are about Him. We say, the old (testament) is the new concealed and the new is the old revealed. Do you understand that statement?

Thursday morning there or Wednesday?

Well my dear Magenta, your answers provide me with fascinating facts that lead me to ask more and more questions. However, I want to reach a fully clear understanding to calm my mind and view the Islam and Christianity from a comprehensive perspective that encompasses all aspects. That’s why I ask my questions one by one, gradually. I’ve noted the new questions that arise from your profound religious answers, which resonate with both the heart and logic, to ensure I don’t skip any steps in my quest for understanding. So, I hope you stay alive until I finish my questions for my better understanding. Then I'll start asking the questions that arise from your answers.

We say, the old (testament) is the new concealed and the new is the old revealed. Do you understand that statement?

I think Yes I do, I may simplify it by saying old testament contains hidden references to Jesus, which are explained in the New Testament.

 

[Bataal]

While there are similarities, there are significant differences. For example, faith in what?

I think it is normal and natural to have significant differences between Islam and Christianity or other religion.
That's one of the things I'm looking for.
Think about it my dear, in Christianity itself, there are significant differences between Protestantism and Catholicism, even though they are part of the same religion.
So, what do we think about two different religions (Islam & Christianity)?

 

[Cameron143]

I think it is normal and natural to have significant differences between Islam and Christianity or other religion.
That's one of the things I'm looking for.
Think about it my dear, in Christianity itself, there are significant differences between Protestantism and Catholicism, even though they are part of the same religion.
So, what do we think about two different religions (Islam & Christianity)?

Sure, but you mentioned faith as a similarity. Faith always has an object. I'm asking what is the object of the Islamic faith?

 

[Bataal]

"Spit" is exactly what the Quran is worth in terms of Spiritual value.
It's nothing but a collection of FANTASIES AND LIES - THE worst of Which is that: Jesus did not die on the cross.

Because you are looking at the Qur'an from a Christian eyes / perspective, you say that.
I don’t blame you.
For me, I can’t despise anything that others see as valuable.

 

[Gideon300]

Because you are looking at the Qur'an from a Christian eyes / perspective, you say that.
I don’t blame you.
For me, I can’t despise anything that others see as valuable.

The only question that matters is, "Is it true?" And that is why Christians reject the Qu'ran.

 

[j55]

Genesis chapter 1.:26 There is six day race. They are hunters. Adam and Eve on the 8th day. When Cain took wife from land of nob, this is the orient, the six day race. Peace.

 

[Bataal]

Are these not the same time periods? Both include the time before the coming of Christ
Jesus called John the Baptist the greatest prophet because he prepared the way for Jesus.

Good morning my Magenta

Can I say that your objection only regarding the part of the statement, highlighted in red bold? or do you object to the all the entire statement? what you think?

Thus, it was that way new religions have emerged over time as a result of differing interpretations and distortions of the original teachings. It is believed that in response to these developments, God has sent messengers and prophets to call people back to the original, pure form of religion. Nevertheless, these messengers and prophets have often faced challenges, including contempt and derision from their people. There are accounts within religious texts of God punishing the wicked with calamities as a means of divine intervention. Then, again, God continued to send His messengers and prophets to teach and guide people the true religion, as it was constantly being replaced by the innovations of mankind.

 

[Magenta]

Good morning my Magenta

Can I say that your objection only regarding the part of the statement, highlighted
in red bold? or do you object to the all the entire statement? what you think?

Good day, Bataal! I hope you have a lot of questions for me, to keep me alive for a long time LOL and I love the pace you go at, it is perfect, and you, wow, the way you said how my answers resonate with both the heart and logic, you express yourself very well and almost like a poet. I am just about to have my night's sleep, but I will say in answer to this question you ask, that religion is not the goal of being a Christian, religious rites and rituals is not the point of being a Christian, but right relationships with God, one's self, and others.

 

[Bataal]

Sure, but you mentioned faith as a similarity. Faith always has an object. I'm asking what is the object of the Islamic faith?

I meant the similarities in general regarding the steps in Christianity. In Islam, there are: 1. Declaration of Faith; 2. Learning about the basic beliefs and practices of Islam, including the five pillars and the six articles of faith...etc This is similar to Christianity, which includes: 1. Faith in Jesus Christ; 2. Repentance and Confession of Faith, etc.
Thus, faith, beliefs, and practices depend on the content of each religion.

 

[Bataal]

The only question that matters is, "Is it true?" And that is why Christians reject the Qu'ran.

Is it true?
What do you think I’m looking for here in this site? I’m not trying to prove whether Christianity, Judaism, or Islam is true or false. I believe that is a personal decision and everyone should respect each individual's choice. I’m here to find answers to some very complicated questions that are fighting in my mind.

And that is why Christians reject the Qu'ran.

You reject Catholics as well, and will do the same for anything that isn’t Protestant
I'm sorry to say so, but that is the part of human nature

 

[Bataal]

Good day, Bataal! I hope you have a lot of questions for me, to keep me alive for a long time LOL

Yes many questions for you, don't worry.
I pray that God blesses you with a long life, and makes you a reason for people to do good things and find happiness.

and I love the pace you go at, it is perfect, and you, wow, the way you said how my answers resonate with both the heart and logic, you express yourself very well and almost like a poet.

Your words touch my heart. It showcases your pure nature and personality. Thank you.

I am just about to have my night's sleep

I hope you have a restful night. Sleep well my dear.

but I will say in answer to this question you ask, that religion is not the goal of being a Christian, religious rites and rituals is not the point of being a Christian, but right relationships with God, one's self, and others.

Isn't that the reason God sends prophets to people (in the ancient time) to call them back to Him and help them have a right relationship with Him?

 

[Cameron143]

I meant the similarities in general regarding the steps in Christianity. In Islam, there are: 1. Declaration of Faith; 2. Learning about the basic beliefs and practices of Islam, including the five pillars and the six articles of faith...etc This is similar to Christianity, which includes: 1. Faith in Jesus Christ; 2. Repentance and Confession of Faith, etc.
Thus, faith, beliefs, and practices depend on the content of each religion.

Yes, I understand. But what is the object of faith in Islam?

 

[CommodoreTeach]

Are you Catholics, Protestants, or part of another group? Are you affiliated with any specific denomination?

I don’t focus on the specifics, such as whether Adam disobeyed God and ate from the tree or whether he didn't eat and was sent to Earth. I’m only interested in what Christianity believes regarding certain statements that will help me to understand some principles. Can I summarize your answers as follows, I hope you have the patience to bear with me. :

1- Adam and Eve are considered the first human beings created by God. They are described as the original human couple from whom all other humans are believed to have descended..
Is this belief accepted by all Christians, or are there some groups that have different perspectives on this?

Christianity is primarily about believing on Christ Jesus for salvation. Essentially, God became a man, was born as a descendant of Eve - seed of the woman and our kinsman-redeemer - lived a perfect life, was crucified on a cross for our sins, died and was buried in a tomb, and on the third day rose again, for the forgiveness of all who believe on Him.

Unfortunately, not all Christians believe the bible.

I think beliefs can be categorised into three groups:
1) The Genesis story didn't actually happen, and was just some sort of parable or allegory.
2) The Genesis story did happen, but not exactly as described - e.g. there were also other human beings created by God, and some of us are descended from these.
3) The Genesis story happened as the bible describes.

Only 3 is logically consistent with the bible and the rest of the gospel message, but despite this, some Christians insist on believing 1 or 2.

2- God created Adam and Eve and made them live in Paradise.

From your answer, I understand that some of you believe this while others do not, correct? I mean, some say that Paradise is not on Earth or something like that, right?

Similar to the above, not all Christians believe the same.

Some believe:
1) The Genesis story didn't actually happen, and there was no paradise.
2) There was a type of paradise, but still with death and suffering - again not exactly as the bible describes.
3) The garden of Eden where Adam and Eve were was exactly as the Genesis account describes - paradise.

Again, only 3 is consistent with the biblical record.

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- They were given the command to not eat from the forbidden tree. However, they disobeyed God's command by eating from the forbidden tree, which resulted in their expulsion from the Garden and their subsequent residence on Earth.

I understand from your answer that some of you believe this, while others do not. So, there are many interpretations within Christianity, am I right?
But do all Christians believe that God sent Adam and Eve to Earth, regardless of the reason for their eating from the tree or the intention to prevent them from doing so? or there groups don't agree with this statement highlighted in green?

Same again.

1) Totally untrue - there was no command and no fruit.
2) Partially true - there was some sort of command and perhaps some sort of fruit.
3) Totally true - it happened exactly as the bible states.

Again, only 3 is consistent with the biblical record. But there are those who would qualify as Christians who will say they don't believe it.

 

[Bataal]

Yes, I understand. But what is the object of faith in Islam?

I believe that the object of faith in all true religions, not just Islam, is the belief in the oneness of God and living a life in accordance with His commands and prohibitions which is essential for attaining the pleasure of God and achieving success in this world and the hereafter. Then we will find that each religion has its own more details and rules, for example, in Islam, there are six pillars of faith..etc