Question...

[rlm68]

The term used in the verse in revelation talking about hell being thrown into the lake of fire, is hádés, i.e. the underworld. Not some kind of a punishment hell like gehenna. I would guess the lake of fire is the gehenna.

Ghehenna is a dump where they burned trash (they burned bodies there to keep sickness down). Hades is a Greek myth term.

None of these have anything to do with a hell where sinners go....you crack me up!!

 

[trofimus]

It means the world of difference. The trinity formula implies there are 3 separate people acting as God. To baptize as Jesus factually ordered in His NAME, which Peter and Paul followed, indicates ONE GOD as ONE PERSON only!!

Acts is just a historical book, not a book of doctrine. It just records what apostles did. Not what we must do.

 

[rlm68]

If the trinity was correct, the first Commandment would be have no other gods before US...but it states before ME (SINGULAR)!!

 

[trofimus]

Ghehenna is a dump where they burned trash (they burned bodies there to keep sickness down). Hades is a Greek myth term.

So...? Still the fact is that the Revelation says that hádés will be thrown to the lake of fire, not gehenna.

 

[rlm68]

Acts is just a historical book, not a book of doctrine. It just records what apostles did. Not what we must do.

OK, so why do you follow any scripture if you feel this way?

Acts is in the Bible because God wanted us to see how His FIRST CHURCH should be like.

And guess what, WE ARE NOT LIKE ANYTHING GOD WANTED!!

 

[rlm68]

So...? Still the fact is that the Revelation says that hádés will be thrown to the lake of fire, not gehenna.

Hades is a New Testament term for the Hebrew "sheol," which is the abode of the conscious dead. It is apparently a place (Acts 2:31). In Revelation it is referred to as a creature on a horse (Rev. 6:8)

 

[trofimus]

OK, so why do you follow any scripture if you feel this way?

Because not all Scripture is just a historical record. History is not doctrine.

 

[rlm68]

Because not all Scripture is just a historical record. History is not doctrine.

So, the example we see of the actual FIRST CHURCH should not be our example?

You need serious help!!

 

[trofimus]

Hades is a New Testament term for the Hebrew "sheol," which is the abode of the conscious dead. It is apparently a place (Acts 2:31). In Revelation it is referred to as a creature on a horse (Rev. 6:8)

Still, the fact is that its not gehenna that will be thrown into the lake of fire, therefore your argument about hell does not apply...

 

[trofimus]

So, the example we see of the actual FIRST CHURCH should not be our example?

You need serious help!!

It can be your example but it does not have to be. You are probably not living in Jerusalem, Asia Minor or Europe (the first Church was), you are probably not preaching in synagogues (the apostles were), you are probably not living in a commune/communism with other Christians etc.

I think you understand the point, you just do not want to lose your importance of evidence about baptismal formula used in acts.

 

[rlm68]

Still, the fact is that its not gehenna that will be thrown into the lake of fire, therefore your argument about hell does not apply...

Any place where the dead are at will be cast into the Lake of Fire.

The grave
The dump where they burn bodies
the ocean where shark attacks occurred
lakes of water where drowning happened
anything representing the grave is cast into the Lake of Fire.

so the scripture DEATH and HELL were cast into = all terms for the grave (final resting place)

 

[Absolutely]

If the trinity was correct, the first Commandment would be have no other gods before US...but it states before ME (SINGULAR)!!

The trinty is correct. All 3 are diety and one at the same time.
Plus it says in genesis " let us make man in our image."
Once the entire word is on the table we see what is there

 

[trofimus]

Any place where the dead are at will be cast into the Lake of Fire.

The grave
The dump where they burn bodies
the ocean where shark attacks occurred
lakes of water where drowning happened
anything representing the grave is cast into the Lake of Fire.

so the scripture DEATH and HELL were cast into = all terms for the grave (final resting place)

Hádés is a place were dead ones live. Its not a place where physical dead bodies are (ocean, ground, tombs etc.)

 

[rlm68]

It can be your example but it does not have to be. You are probably not living in Jerusalem, Asia Minor or Europe (the first Church was), you are probably not preaching in synagogues (the apostles were), you are probably not living in a commune/communism with other Christians etc.

I think you understand the point, you just do not want to lose your importance of evidence about baptismal formula used in acts.

The Gospel of Jesus was preached, the influx of the Holy Spirit is evident, and they baptized in the NAME of JESUS.

Now, outside you being trinity, what part of that first church example I just gave that we do not strive for today?

 

[Absolutely]

Any place where the dead are at will be cast into the Lake of Fire.

The grave
The dump where they burn bodies
the ocean where shark attacks occurred
lakes of water where drowning happened
anything representing the grave is cast into the Lake of Fire.

so the scripture DEATH and HELL were cast into = all terms for the grave (final resting place)

People.
They will be resurrectd,judged, then cast into the lake of fire along with spirits in hell

 

[trofimus]

The Gospel of Jesus was preached, the influx of the Holy Spirit is evident, and they baptized in the NAME of JESUS.

Now, outside you being trinity, what part of that first church example I just gave that we do not strive for today?

I just gave you three examples of the first church you are not living in the same way.

Also, the synod in Acts did not allow to eat meat sacrificed to idols, Paul did.

 

[NayborBear]

I must admit that I'm stumbling a bit with asking this correctly. Is this scripture that seems to suggest that Yeshua was a creation of the Father, the firstborn of every creation, merely addressing the Flesh manifestation of Yeshua?

Jesus was created by the Father's begetting OF Himself, to be born of a virgin!

Unlike ourselves, who were "created" in the "Our Image!" (And God said, Let us make man in "our image", after "our" likeness

John 1
7 The same (Jesus) came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He (Jesus) was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[rlm68]

The trinty is correct. All 3 are diety and one at the same time.
Plus it says in genesis " let us make man in our image."
Once the entire word is on the table we see what is there

And you need to study OLD ENGLISH and what OLD ENGLISH means!!
The KJV is written in OLD ENGLISH which is from 3rd person view.
Now read let us make man in the 3rd person view as it was written.

 

[rlm68]

I just gave you three examples of the first church you are not living in the same way.

Also, the synod in Acts did not allow to eat meat sacrificed to idols, Paul did.

Technology is why we do not live the same, but how we preach, teach, utilize the Holy Spirit, and baptize like Peter and Paul did are still in effect TODAY!!

 

[Nehemiah6]

So are you saying that using Yeshua don't help point to our Lord and Savior, Christ, because ppl are not familiar with those original hebrew names?

Correct. Since we all need to present Christ to others, it is far better to call Him by the name which the whole world knows. Even Hindus, Muslims, and Buddhists know about "Jesus Christ". "Jesus" is from the Greek Ἰησοῦς = Iesous, which of course was originally Yeshua.