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Unearthed

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Can somebody please tell me where it says in the Bible that tithing is REQUIRED under the NEW covenant.
Please give a quote from the NEW testament.
 

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Hello and welcome to CC, Unearthed!

Nobody can give you such a passage, because there isn't one. Tithing is a requirement under the old covenant, which has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ. There is no scriptural support for the idea that Christians are required, or even encouraged, to pay tithes.
 

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It is true that those descendants of Levi who are charged with the priestly office are commanded in the Law to collect tithes from the people—which means, from their kinsmen—though these have descended from Abraham. Heb 7:5

2 Corinthians 9:7 - Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Luk 18:12
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

I tithe because I believe and have received the windows of Heaven blessing and I think it's good to support your Church or worthy causes.
 

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Can somebody please tell me where it says in the Bible that tithing is REQUIRED under the NEW covenant.
Please give a quote from the NEW testament.
It's not. However, giving is commanded. How much is up to the individual. Once I started seeing "my" money as God's, my attitude changed. Instead of seeing giving as a hard obligation, I saw it as an opportunity to be a blessing. That took many years of struggle with doubt and unbelief. I'm not a prosperity preacher. However, I can honestly testify that God has blessed me financially to the point where I am free of debt, I have money in the bank, I own my vehicle and I live well. That makes me one of the richest people on earth. I won't say how much I give, but it's a lot more than 10%.
 

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Hello and welcome to CC, Unearthed!

Nobody can give you such a passage, because there isn't one. Tithing is a requirement under the old covenant, which has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ. There is no scriptural support for the idea that Christians are required, or even encouraged, to pay tithes.
Christians are encouraged, no, exhorted to give. Watchman Nee said that God does not have your heart until He has your wallet. I absolutely agree with that sentiment.
 

Dino246

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Christians are encouraged, no, exhorted to give. Watchman Nee said that God does not have your heart until He has your wallet. I absolutely agree with that sentiment.
Yes, but tithing is not giving, and giving is not tithing.
 

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Can somebody please tell me where it says in the Bible that tithing is REQUIRED under the NEW covenant.
Please give a quote from the NEW testament.
What does your heart tell you.....:unsure:

God loves a cheerful giver....giving is NOT cheerful if your heart is not in it....:unsure:

Our hearts can silence our selfish flesh......just give from your heart. :love:(y)

We love Jesus Christ and what He did for us so, we give a sacrifice to Him of our life, money, family, friends, house, car, job, time, things.....everything.

I’ve learned....there’s NOTHING I own that doesn’t already belong to God...perhaps I should ask Him what He’d like me to do with His money...lol...:giggle:

I do give 10% and sometimes more and absolutely thoroughly enjoy it! It feels good to give! :love:(y)
 

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How does a local church support its ministries, pay its pastor etc?

If it is not part of a denominational system like Anglican or Methodist.. then they gotta pay for themselves.

The money for that then comes from that churches congregation.. unless they have sponsoring churches.
 

Unearthed

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How does a local church support its ministries, pay its pastor etc?

If it is not part of a denominational system like Anglican or Methodist.. then they gotta pay for themselves.

The money for that then comes from that churches congregation.. unless they have sponsoring churches.
My question isn't about whether a Church needs money to survive (which it doesn't!).
My question is about whether tithing is a new testament/covenant requirement.
 

Unearthed

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Hello and welcome to CC, Unearthed!

Nobody can give you such a passage, because there isn't one. Tithing is a requirement under the old covenant, which has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ. There is no scriptural support for the idea that Christians are required, or even encouraged, to pay tithes.
Thanking you for your straightforward and simple answer :)
 

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What does your heart tell you.....:unsure:

God loves a cheerful giver....giving is NOT cheerful if your heart is not in it....:unsure:

Our hearts can silence our selfish flesh......just give from your heart. :love:(y)

We love Jesus Christ and what He did for us so, we give a sacrifice to Him of our life, money, family, friends, house, car, job, time, things.....everything.

I’ve learned....there’s NOTHING I own that doesn’t already belong to God...perhaps I should ask Him what He’d like me to do with His money...lol...:giggle:

I do give 10% and sometimes more and absolutely thoroughly enjoy it! It feels good to give! :love:(y)
I hope this doesn't come across as rude, please forgive me if it does, however your post is the kind of emotional manipulation and guilt tripping that goes on in mega churches.
Basically telling people that their "heart isn't really for God unless they're prepared to give money to the Church".
I do not believe that such teaching has a scriptural basis at all.
 

Lafftur

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I hope this doesn't come across as rude, please forgive me if it does, however your post is the kind of emotional manipulation and guilt tripping that goes on in mega churches.
Basically telling people that their "heart isn't really for God unless they're prepared to give money to the Church".
I do not believe that such teaching has a scriptural basis at all.
You’re NOT rude at all! I think you’re very kind and respectful. :love:(y)

I really love giving 10% to God...via my church, CC, and other Jesus Christ centered ministries.

It is a wonderful way to be a blessing to God...He already blesses us so much. :love:(y)

It’s evidence in a Believer’s life that they are under the Abrahamic Covenant that God promised by saying, “I will bless you and make you a blessing (to others).”

We’re blessed by God in Jesus Christ and are a blessing to others! :love:(y)(y)
 

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In the law tithes were to be from produce and livestock, not money.
Moses gave a provision tho, if you wanted to keep your animals or food you could give money - but the priest would determine the monetary value of your animal or produce, and add 1/5 of the value. You were penalized for giving money instead of living things, and you would be tithing 12% instead of 10%
 

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In the law tithes were to be from produce and livestock, not money.
Moses gave a provision tho, if you wanted to keep your animals or food you could give money - but the priest would determine the monetary value of your animal or produce, and add 1/5 of the value. You were penalized for giving money instead of living things, and you would be tithing 12% instead of 10%
The reference is in Leviticus 27
;)
 

Unearthed

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You’re NOT rude at all! I think you’re very kind and respectful. :love:(y)

I really love giving 10% to God...via my church, CC, and other Jesus Christ centered ministries.

It is a wonderful way to be a blessing to God...He already blesses us so much. :love:(y)

It’s evidence in a Believer’s life that they are under the Abrahamic Covenant that God promised by saying, “I will bless you and make you a blessing (to others).”

We’re blessed by God in Jesus Christ and are a blessing to others! :love:(y)(y)
Thank you for not misinterpreting my previous message to you. Please do not misunderstand this one either :)

I think what you've said is a bit woolly, to be honest.
In fact, in some churches the very question I asked in my original post is purposely answered in a very woolly and vague manner as a means of side-stepping the question.

"They" do not want to admit to their flock that there is no scriptural basis for tithing in the new testament. In order to circumnavigate this fact, they make appeals to emotion (which also has no scriptural basis whatsoever).
 

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"For if the readiness is there, it is acceptable according to what a person has, not according to what he does not have. For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness."—2 Corinthians 8:12-14

You won't find tithing in the New Testament, either explicitly or implicitly. What's taught in the New Testament is fairness and sacrificial giving. Prosperity preachers promise big returns on your tithing investment, but the only one getting rich is them. Where's the fairness and equality? Why should they have a mansion and a private jet while many in their flock are living paycheck to paycheck and struggling to get by? They believe the preacher who keeps telling them: "Just keep tithing and eventually it'll pay off. You don't always see an immediate payoff. Just have faith."

We should give, but we should be careful. If a preacher says the word "tithe" I run the other way.
 

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"For if the readiness is there, it is acceptable according to what a person has, not according to what he does not have. For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness."—2 Corinthians 8:12-14

You won't find tithing in the New Testament, either explicitly or implicitly. What's taught in the New Testament is fairness and sacrificial giving. Prosperity preachers promise big returns on your tithing investment, but the only one getting rich is them. Where's the fairness and equality? Why should they have a mansion and a private jet while many in their flock are living paycheck to paycheck and struggling to get by? They believe the preacher who keeps telling them: "Just keep tithing and eventually it'll pay off. You don't always see an immediate payoff. Just have faith."

We should give, but we should be careful. If a preacher says the word "tithe" I run the other way.
In the old testament commands were written in exact physical terms as if they were written in stone. They were told exactly how much to give. Under the new covenant, those messages in stone were given to the heart. They were the same messages, but through love.

Luke 6:38 For if you give, you will get! Your gift will return to you in full and overflowing measure, pressed down, shaken together to make room for more, and running over. Whatever measure you use to give -- large or small -- will be used to measure what is given back to you."
 

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In the old testament commands were written in exact physical terms as if they were written in stone. They were told exactly how much to give. Under the new covenant, those messages in stone were given to the heart. They were the same messages, but through love.

Luke 6:38 For if you give, you will get! Your gift will return to you in full and overflowing measure, pressed down, shaken together to make room for more, and running over. Whatever measure you use to give -- large or small -- will be used to measure what is given back to you."
Oh, so you're saying that we still live under Mosaic law, though the law has been "written on our hearts"?
So, I take it you don't wear clothing of different fabrics?
 

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In the old testament commands were written in exact physical terms as if they were written in stone. They were told exactly how much to give. Under the new covenant, those messages in stone were given to the heart. They were the same messages, but through love.
Not sure where you're coming from here. Are you saying God still expects us to tithe, only now we do it voluntarily rather than by legal requirement?