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DB7

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God's ways are higher than our ways. :)
But, we do have judgement, and it is incumbent upon us to weigh and discern what God has revealed to us, and expects us to obey and defend. i.e. we can't plead ignorance to everything, of course.
Thanks!
 
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Well, God didn't say anything to you, its just your own delusion.

Walk by Faith, don't walk by your senses and feelings.

God has spoken to us in His word, that is God's way of tellings us things.

Alot of Christians do this, yet they don't realize that there hearts are deceitful and desperately wicked by nature, they can't trust themselves, this is why you must live by what God has said in His Word.

God never put a verse in the bible that says for example:
Genesis 37:40 "look around you, look at each and everyone of them. And then He said "a life lived outside your purpose for existence, is a life lived ineffectively, And then He said "a life lived outside your purpose for existence, is a life lived ineffectively."

I cant find it bro.

George Muller said "if i'm following voices and impressions, then i am a most deluded person."
so those who have Ears let them Hear what does that mean to you??
Or My sheep know my voice??
idk I would not b so quick to call them delusional those who Hear Him✌🏼
 
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so those who have Ears let them Hear what does that mean to you??
Or My sheep know my voice??
idk I would not b so quick to call them delusional those who Hear Him✌🏼
Well im sorry about that and i was to quick to judge, so amen. I admitted later that God could have spoken to him or her, just that it's highly questionable and potentially dangerous, so hope that helps :), i also doubt God spoke to that person saying such a general thing anyway, something that you can find in the bible from cover to cover.

Hearing God's voice would mean following his word, following Jesus and his teaching and commandments (his voice).
It would be foolish to think that hearing God's voice means to be receiving direct revelation from God, that is really bad thinking and dangerous.

This can happen (God speaking to people) but its rare and should not be sought after in some wicked and irreverent way, since God has given us his word.
 

JaumeJ

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Hello JJ, in the eyes of God there definitely Men and Women, Paul makes this very clear in several ways, and in several contexts (Man is the head of woman, Woman was made for man, Woman must pray with head covered and not man, Woman was cursed differently than man after the fall, Woman must not have authority over man, etc.. )
The complete context of what you were referring to, is clearly in the scope of redemption. Paul was refuting the Judaizers for the first 2 chapters, then to sum up who is eligible for salvation, the circumcised or uncircumcised, he then made his point about the insignificance of external statuses or attributes. He covered a broad gamut just to get the point across, that, for the sake of argument, he even could've said, young & old, rich and poor, tall and short, etc...
Don't forget, if there is no gender in God's eyes to the extent that you say,, then homosexuality is not a sin, is it?
Plus, slavery was not abolished either, as we know that Paul spoke more than once about how master and slaves should conduct themselves before the Lord (especially Onesime and Philemon), even though Paul included 'slave or free' in his enumeration of who God does not regard their status.
Paul makes nothing clear about the subject, he says he does not permit women etc....not God does not permit. When it comes to what Paul has said, usually misinterpreted, I go with God....Hear Jesus on the subject of husbands and wives in the Kingdom..... Think in terms of no reproduction necessary, and eternal life. So many people are restricted by the traditions of man being taught as commandment of God. This should not be so. Hear Jesus, Yeshua first always, and God bless the understanding of all who actually to hear Him, amen.
 
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Well im sorry about that and i was to quick to judge, so amen. I admitted later that God could have spoken to him or her, just that it's highly questionable and potentially dangerous, so hope that helps :), i also doubt God spoke to that person saying such a general thing anyway, something that you can find in the bible from cover to cover.

Hearing God's voice would mean following his word, following Jesus and his teaching and commandments (his voice).
It would be foolish to think that hearing God's voice means to be receiving direct revelation from God, that is really bad thinking and dangerous.

This can happen (God speaking to people) but its rare and should not be sought after in some wicked and irreverent way, since God has given us his word.
Naw it’s not rare how can you have a personal relationship with one you do not hear??
 
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Sorry, this comment is just to dumb to respond to, ill leave it to someone else.
Welcome to Americans Christianity where they have lost their compassion for people and have become as cold as the machines the read wrote work and play on where they tell their phones to awake for information where they have given the power to Satan to blaspheme the Word of Most Holy where they do nothing but send their money to the rich for blessings and call a dead building a church where they say taking poison is good for healing people and curse what Most Holy Supplied them with for remedies they no nothing about where they Love sitting in ignorance instead of gaining knowledge welcome to the world of Americans Christianity where they know there are people that are litteraly being tortured killed and martyred to death but send their seed money to build a well that cost 1000 to build and are told it is more then triple the amount

welcome to Americans Christianity where that dead thing comes BFORE the living eats
 
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Welcome to Americans Christianity where they have lost their compassion for people and have become as cold as the machines the read wrote work and play on where they tell their phones to awake for information where they have given the power to Satan to blaspheme the Word of Most Holy where they do nothing but send their money to the rich for blessings and call a dead building a church where they say taking poison is good for healing people and curse what Most Holy Supplied them with for remedies they no nothing about where they Love sitting in ignorance instead of gaining knowledge welcome to the world of Americans Christianity where they know there are people that are litteraly being tortured killed and martyred to death but send their seed money to build a well that cost 1000 to build and are told it is more then triple the amount

welcome to Americans Christianity where that dead thing comes BFORE the living eats
Do you want me to bow before you or something?
 
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No you will do that for Immanuel when he comes as it is written all will bow
Ok, so where in the bible does it tells us that direct knowledge from God is a normative thing and this is what a personal relationship is?

If your in this type of thing your potentially opening yourself up to the demonic/following your own sinful soul, this is dangerous and God doesn't want any Christian in this type of thing, its something to run away from.

God's normative way of talking to Christians is through His word, the Spirits word, that's the reality.

Its good to bow to Jesus and everyone will, but bowing to Jesus means we bow to his Word and Fear Him.
 
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Ok, so where in the bible does it tells us that direct knowledge from God is a normative thing and this is what a personal relationship is?

If your in this type of thing your potentially opening yourself up to the demonic/following your own sinful soul, this is dangerous and God doesn't want any Christian in this type of thing, its something to run away from.

God's normative way of talking to Christians is through His word, the Spirits word, that's the reality.

Its good to bow to Jesus and everyone will, but bowing to Jesus means we bow to his Word and Fear Him.
Apparently you walk by sight as of know I presume you know Him not for if you did you b going to ask Him for THATS was one of the gifts we have received through the sacrifice of the Lamb Mayb you should fast from the world and stop following the ways of the world and start Following the Word for there is only One door and I sir or whatever you may b would b a window
Knock and He will answer seek and Ye will find the Christian of today’s world have gotten fat and lazy they no Longer Seek the Holy One and He is Zealous for His People many slumber many fell away many are called few r choosen many eat the words of man n Have gotten fatten n filled empty mans words and fill up on the Word would b my suggestion to you✌🏼
 

DB7

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i also doubt God spoke to that person saying such a general thing anyway, something that you can find in the bible from cover to cover.
Very well said, my sentiments exactly!!!
 
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And how exactly would one test what @Mpopi heard against scripture?

God lovingly commands us in 1 John we are to try the spirits to see if they are of God or of men. He would not command us unless he gave us the tools.

There are two that I am aware of . One to protect the integrity of one word (singular). Seeing change the intended meaning can change the authorship and the direction of the commandments.(many words) The power of one word.

Deuteronomy 4 King James Version (KJV) Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.Ye shall not add unto the word (singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments (many words) of the Lord your God which I command you.

Then at the end of any possibility of new revelations of God moving men to record his thoughts that could not add . The final warning do not add to the whole of perfect word called this book. The words of the prophecy

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book .Revelation 22: 18_19

Having those two as integrity protectors it becomes the supposed or claim of. . . . Thus says the Lord, I had a dream or vision or heard a auditable voice, had a near death experience or out of the body . We are to believe not. He clearly warns us before hand . Knowing the last prophet to bring a new revelation was John.

Matthew 24:22-24 King James Version (KJV) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have "told you before." Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Therefore making it imposible to decive the elect that abides in the warning.
 
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God lovingly commands us in 1 John we are to try the spirits to see if they are of God or of men. He would not command us unless he gave us the tools.

There are two that I am aware of . One to protect the integrity of one word (singular). Seeing change the intended meaning can change the authorship and the direction of the commandments.(many words) The power of one word.

Deuteronomy 4 King James Version (KJV) Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.Ye shall not add unto the word (singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments (many words) of the Lord your God which I command you.

Then at the end of any possibility of new revelations of God moving men to record his thoughts that could not add . The final warning do not add to the whole of perfect word called this book. The words of the prophecy

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book .Revelation 22: 18_19

Having those two as integrity protectors it becomes the supposed or claim of. . . . Thus says the Lord, I had a dream or vision or heard a auditable voice, had a near death experience or out of the body . We are to believe not. He clearly warns us before hand . Knowing the last prophet to bring a new revelation was John.

Matthew 24:22-24 King James Version (KJV) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have "told you before." Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Therefore making it imposible to decive the elect that abides in the warning.
Thank you @garee for taking the time to answer my question....... I like a lot of what you have written here and very helpful.
 

Mpopi

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Genesis 1:26.

God created mankind in his own image (nature), after his own likeness (character) and the purpose for creating them in this manner was that they dominion the earth.

God first gave a person who He created a character that resembles God himself, and the gave dominion to that person over the earth. God did not give dominion to just a person but a person after his own likeness, in other words God through that particular person (nature and character) wanted/s to govern the earth with His heavenly kingdom administration. That is why you will find Jesus saying "thy kingdom come, thy Will be done on death as its done in heaven". We were created and are called for a purpose.
 

Mpopi

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Jeremiah 1:5

When God spoke to Jeremiah, He said "before I formed you I knew you, before you were born I set you apart and appointed as prophet to the nations"

God did not call or should I say form Jeremiah and think thereafter what to do with him, He had clear purpose before, when He formed him, he designed (for lack of a better word) in a way that would fit into God's purpose.

You, yes you and I were created, called or chosen for a specific purpose, some of us are called to be prophets, pastors, evangelists to mention a few.

My friend once asked me how I understand the word "successful" and in my understanding as a general term it could mean being successful at whatever you were doing, but then again I said, success if finding who you are, your identity and the purpose for your existence.
 

Mpopi

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Ooohhh I know God uses whoever He wants male or female, it does not matter. And I'm a female myself
 

Mpopi

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Thank you so much, I did try to show the connection, I hope it's clear.
Welcome to CC, Mpopi. :)
Perhaps you could flesh out the connection you see between the message you received and the verse you cited.
 

DB7

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Ooohhh I know God uses whoever He wants male or female, it does not matter. And I'm a female myself
That is not entirely true, Mpopi, God gave many restrictions throughout history as to who could do what, where, when and why.
Gentiles were not allowed into the Kingdom prior to Christ. Only Levites were priests, and only physically whole Levites. There was a distinction between the tribes of Israel and their territories. Limitations to worship practices, as to what, where and when. Food, clothing and farming restrictions. Children must respect and obey their parents at the pain of death, just as the lay people should honour the priests and leaders of Israel.
There were many limitations as to how God's people must live and conduct themselves, it was not a free-for-all. So let's first recognize that there is a manner to live under God that is either acceptable, or unacceptable, irrespective of the dispensation or covenant, or respective of it.

Now, the question lies, do you not feel that there are explicit interdictions in the New Testament, that first, gives the woman a secondary status to man, and two, especially and emphatically in regard to Church administration? If not Mpopi, then we can only go as far as our understanding permits, but if there is, and you have somehow managed to overlook or misinterpret those passages, then you may need to reconsider your position on the matter. For, in my opinion, Paul was very serious and unmitigating about this topic. Outside of reading each verse in an isolated and out-of-context manner, one would be hard pressed to not see the fundamental and over-arching level that Paul was speaking on, very hard.