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Galatians 3:18
For if the inheritance [is] of the law, [it is] no longer of promise; but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise.
The inheritance of Jesus Christ is not of the Law but because He is The Son - by promise, whereby He says, "this day I have begotten You"
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evyaniy
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The Son's path to life and being raised from the dead was His obedience to the Law in offering His life as a Sacrifice for our sins to save us, as the Law required of Him. He was raised from death to life again because of His obedience according to the promise of Life in the law to Him. Although He is the Son, He learned obedience and was perfected through what He suffered to save us. The promise of Life in the Law was to Him for His obedience.
Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered;
And being made perfect, He became the Author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered;
And being made perfect, He became the Author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
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evyaniy
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We are saved through faith in Him because of His obedience to the Law and the promise of Life to Him for saving us.
Jesus Christ is The Anointed One -The Messiah- The Lamb of God, The Word of God made flesh…. As the Son of Man and the Son of God, God Himself was preparing a perfect Human Body that God would sacrifice to save us.
In that Human Body, Jesus Christ did works of obedience that fulfilled all righteousness according to the Law of Moses that God required…. even the death penalty of NOT obeying the Law was recorded and fulfilled in the Human Body of the Son of Man.
Jesus Christ came to FULFILL all the Law and all that the Prophets had written and spoken about the Messiah. I use the word “FULFILL” instead of “OBEY” because Fullfilled means “It is FINISHED.”
On the Mount of Transfiguration, the Human Body of the Son of Man was being examined by Moses and Elijah- The Law and The Prophets. Jesus Christ passed His examination because He was transfigured.
All Righteousness was Fulfilled and recorded in His Body… there was just one last work to be done… the death penalty for not obeying the Law.
On the cross, when Jesus Christ took His last breath and said, “It is finished,” ALL was FULFILLED for us!
It’s beyond words what God has done for us…
On the 3rd day Jesus Christ rose from the dead as the Firstborn of the New Son of Man and Son of God.
Jesus Christ took and received His Life back. He had received power and authority from the Father to choose to lay His Life down and choose to take it up again on the 3rd day.
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evyaniy
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Will you please answer this question? It is not a trick or setup. Your answer would be appreciated to understand your view of Psalm 119. If you don't want to answer that is fine too. Thank you.
Is Psalm 119 the Son's prayer for life and to be raised from the dead because of His obedience to the Law and His Father in offering His life to save us, as the Law required of Him?
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evyaniy
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If you want to answer that question, would you also consider answering this?
Do you believe that Leviticus 18:5 is a promise of life to the Man Who fully obeys the Law.
Thank you
Do you believe that Leviticus 18:5 is a promise of life to the Man Who fully obeys the Law.
Thank you
No, Psalm 119 is NOT the prayer of Jesus Christ the Son of God to His Father.
However, Jesus Christ is in Psalm 119….
He is the Word, the Commandments, the Statutes, the Precepts, the Law, the Testimonies and the Judgments of God that the psalmist is delighting in.
Psalm 119 is a type of prayer that someone like Joseph or Daniel would have prayed while in captivity. It’s what a Believer would pray in the Day of Trouble, Trials and Tribulations.
If you’re looking for a Psalm that Jesus Christ prayed to His Father, I’d look at…
Psalm 16, especially verse 10:
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps.16.10&version=KJV
Yes, it is and Jesus Christ accomplished it as the Son of Man… the Son of God prepared His Human Body as a perfect sacrifice.
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evyaniy
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evyaniy
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Thank you again very much. Yes, the verse is referenced in Ezekiel and Romans and Galatians and is essential to understanding Scripture. It is the promise/commandment of Life He had from His Father that He spoke of in John 10:18.
Your answers are greatly appreciated.
You are a great joy and blessing to discuss scriptures with. I have much respect for you, too!
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evyaniy
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For your consideration.
One of the sections of Psalm 119 that sounds like only the Son could be praying is the YODH section. The letter also is the beginning of Their Names, which is interesting.
YODH
73 Your hands have made Me and formed Me.
Give Me understanding, that I may learn Your commandments.
74 Those who fear You will see Me and be glad,
because I have put My hope in Your Word.
75 YHVH, I know that Your judgments are righteous,
that in faithfulness You have afflicted Me.
76 Please let your loving kindness be for My comfort,
according to Your Word to Your Servant.
77 Let your tender mercies come to Me, that I May live;
for Your Torah is My delight.
78 Let the proud be disappointed, for they have overthrown Me wrongfully.
I will meditate on Your precepts.
79 Let those who fear You turn to Me.
They will know Your statutes.
80 Let My heart be blameless toward Your decrees,
that I may not be disappointed.
It is beautiful to hear Him praying in this section. He even prays for us, that we will be glad when we see Him and that those who fear the Father will turn to Him. The Torah is His delight. He asks for life in verse 77. He speaks of those who overthrew Him wrongfully. He say it is His Father Who afflicted Him in faithfulness. There are so many messages in this section when considering the Son praying it.
Had to share this after your kindness. It is so moving to hear the things He prays in this section. The intimacy of what He prays is heart warming when considering what He did to save us.
One of the sections of Psalm 119 that sounds like only the Son could be praying is the YODH section. The letter also is the beginning of Their Names, which is interesting.
YODH
73 Your hands have made Me and formed Me.
Give Me understanding, that I may learn Your commandments.
74 Those who fear You will see Me and be glad,
because I have put My hope in Your Word.
75 YHVH, I know that Your judgments are righteous,
that in faithfulness You have afflicted Me.
76 Please let your loving kindness be for My comfort,
according to Your Word to Your Servant.
77 Let your tender mercies come to Me, that I May live;
for Your Torah is My delight.
78 Let the proud be disappointed, for they have overthrown Me wrongfully.
I will meditate on Your precepts.
79 Let those who fear You turn to Me.
They will know Your statutes.
80 Let My heart be blameless toward Your decrees,
that I may not be disappointed.
It is beautiful to hear Him praying in this section. He even prays for us, that we will be glad when we see Him and that those who fear the Father will turn to Him. The Torah is His delight. He asks for life in verse 77. He speaks of those who overthrew Him wrongfully. He say it is His Father Who afflicted Him in faithfulness. There are so many messages in this section when considering the Son praying it.
Had to share this after your kindness. It is so moving to hear the things He prays in this section. The intimacy of what He prays is heart warming when considering what He did to save us.
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evyaniy
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You pointed out Psalm 16 which the NT writers reference as well especially the verse you mention. They also point out how it can not be David speaking since his grave was with them to that day when Peter was announcing the Gospel. This is a precedence for other Psalms as well. So although the Apostles and writers of the NT did not explain every Psalm, they left us examples on how we can understand them and Who is actually speaking in various Psalms.
Here is Psalm 16 with some headings to show it is the Son's prayer and who He is speaking to and about in the various verses.
Psalm 16
A Poem by David.
(Son to Father)
16:1 Preserve Me, 'El, for in You do I take refuge.
16:2 My soul, You have said to YHVH,
“You are My 'Adonay.
Apart from You I have no good thing.”
(Son about believers)
16:3 As for the holy who are in the earth,
they are the excellent ones in whom is all My delight.
(Son about wicked)
16:4 their sorrows shall be multiplied
who give gifts to another.
their drink offerings of blood I will not offer,
nor take their names on My lips.
(Son to and about Father)
16:5 YHVH assigned My portion and My cup.
You made My lot secure.
16:6 The lines have fallen to Me in pleasant places.
Yes, I have a good inheritance.
16:7 I will bless YHVH, Who has given Me counsel.
Yes, My heart instructs Me in the night seasons.
16:8 I have set YHVH always before Me.
Because He is at My right hand, I shall not be moved.
16:9 Therefore My heart is glad, and My tongue rejoices.
My body shall also dwell in safety.
16:10 For You will not leave My soul in Sheol,
neither will You allow Your faithful One
to see corruption.
16:11 You will show Me the path of life.
In Your presence is fullness of joy.
In Your right hand there are pleasures forevermore.
Psalm 16 is also the Psalm where He says His Father will show Him the path of Life. For Him that path of life was the Law and offering His life as a Sacrifice for our sins to save us. That helps explain v10 because even though He had to die in obedience to the Law to save us, His Father would not leave His soul in Sheol or to see corruption.
Yes, Psalm 16 is His prayer as NT writers point out and you mention here. It is also given to us as an example of the Son praying in other Psalms as well. Thanks to Peter and Paul and the writer of Hebrews for showing us these examples and of course the Holy Spirit for providing them so we can understand the Psalms.
Psalm 119 is a beautiful prayer of the psalmist that wrote it and all of us can see ourselves praying it in awe and in need of God but, Psalm 119 is NOT a prayer of Jesus Christ the Son of God to the Father.
Jesus Christ is in Psalm 119 - He is The Torah, The Commandments, The Precepts, The Statutes, The Testimonies, The Judgments, The Lovingkindness, The Honey and The Honeycomb - Jesus Christ is ALL these things and more.... He is The Way, The Truth and The Life, The Resurrection, The Light of the Word, The ONLY Savior.....
The psalmist of Psalm 119 was delighting in Jesus Christ as all the things I listed above, and understood his/her need for God. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh - the Visible God in the Physical Realm. Immanuel - God with us.
There is a HUGE difference between Psalm 119 and the prayer of Jesus Christ to the Father recorded in John 17:
John 17
King James Version
17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
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evyaniy
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His prayers in the Psalms and John 17 are not incompatible. His prayers in the Psalms are prophetic. He is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. They are still His prayers.
The Path of Life is choosing The Father's Will and denying ourselves. The Father made known to Jesus Christ all of His (The Father's) Will so Jesus Christ knew what to think, say and do at all times. Jesus Christ knew to only say and do what He heard the Father say and saw the Father do.
Psalm 16 causes me to ponder and ask the Holy Spirit questions about the "Soul" of Jesus Christ the Son of God and Son of Man...
I know the Soul is the Mind, Will and Emotions... the scriptures speak of the "Mind of Christ" and we know He had His own Will that He set aside and instead would choose the Will of His Father.... like Jesus Christ prayed in the Garden..."Nevertheless, not My Will, but Yours be done." And, the Emotions of Christ...
The Father also has a "Soul" because He has a "Will" and He has "Emotions" and He has a "Mind"... The Father has the Plan, He wrote the Scroll with the Seven Seals....
What about the Holy Spirit.... we know the Holy Spirit can be grieved which is an Emotion... The Holy Spirit gives us understanding and teaches us so, He must have a Mind.... what about a Will? He doesn't speak of Himself... He testifies of Jesus Christ the Word and empowers us to do the same....
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evyaniy
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That is the point of the Psalms. They reveal His soul in His Personal communication with His Father and His Father to Him. The Spirit is also revealed in the Psalms exalting Father and Son. Psalm 20 and 21 are 2 examples of that. There are more. Psalm 2 is an example of all Three of Them speaking in various verses. The Spirit also speaks and prays in plural in places in union with and for believers He indwells.
I've always seen the Holy Spirit in Proverbs 8...
In Proverbs when it says "My son".... I can hear the Father's Voice.
In the Song of Solomon when it says "My Beloved"... I can hear Jesus' Voice to me.