Prosperity

[randyk]

I won't post the definition of Nuance,Nuanced.
If someone wants to do that so to help you realize the interview was full of subterfuge using that word to hide facts,go for it.

Meanwhile.

Latter-day Saint Life
Latter-day Saint producers of ‘The Chosen’ talk creative liberties, gratitude for involvement in show
January 06, 2022 10:39 PM MST
http://www.ldsliving.com/latter-day...ies-gratitude-for-involvement-in-show/s/10332

Word salad--translation--you don't make any sense. The LDS company that assisted in the production of "The Chosen" had nothing to do with the story line. It was a Christian production.

It seems that if they hired a janitor in the production of the film who was LDS that you would then call it an "LDS production?"

 

[Burn1986]

So the thread went from “Prosperity” to Mormons? Classic CC lol

It’s funny how you have lukewarm people on all religions, even Mormons. I wonder if the preacher (or whatever they call it) is still trying to get people motivated.

 

[randyk]

So the thread went from “Prosperity” to Mormons? Classic CC lol

It’s funny how you have lukewarm people on all religions, even Mormons. I wonder if the preacher (or whatever they call it) is still trying to get people motivated.

Well, I personally welcome a little "migration" within the thread. It does indicate where an individual's interest is, good or bad.

I think there are better or worse people in every social group, religious or otherwise. Backsliding from Mormonism is not, however, the same thing as backsliding within conventional Christianity.

I would say that Jews, Mormons, Muslims, and Christians have a similar moral system. But the important factor is, "What is the true religion?" You backslide from that and you have nowhere to go for your spiritual salvation.

You backslide from other religions with moral systems, it isn't good. But you never had spiritual salvation to start with.

 

[Doll]

Word salad--translation--you don't make any sense. The LDS company that assisted in the production of "The Chosen" had nothing to do with the story line. It was a Christian production.

It seems that if they hired a janitor in the production of the film who was LDS that you would then call it an "LDS production?"

OK.

The word salad remark tells me you're not able to engage in mature discussion.

And you avoid facts at all costs.

That's too bad.

 

[Doll]

So the thread went from “Prosperity” to Mormons? Classic CC lol

It’s funny how you have lukewarm people on all religions, even Mormons. I wonder if the preacher (or whatever they call it) is still trying to get people motivated.

I don't think it's a matter of Lukewarm anything.

Mormons are not Christian. Actual Mormons,are not Christians.
And posers who claim to have been Mormon but are now Christian expose themselves pretty quickly when on the Net.

http://www.allinthedifference.com/difference-between-lds-and-mormon/


Businesses that are owned by Latter-day Saints and the Church

 

[GWH]

I'm willing to discuss virtually anything in God's word (the Scriptures). It appears to me that you've grabbed hold of the word "riches" and have recognized that it applies to our current experience of Christ, as well as something we will get to experience in the future Kingdom?

The "riches of understanding" is an interesting one to me? I don't often think of knowledge as "wealth," although obviously Paul saw it as such. I suppose those of us on these forums do value understanding such that when we get it right we view ourselves as "blessed?"

I agree that there is a blessing built in to God's word such that when w hear it and do it there must be a blessing to it. It can mean material prosperity, and it can also mean spiritual prosperity. In the nation Israel they were promised both, the dwelling of God with them--a spiritual blessing, and the material prosperity that comes when growing a nation.

The same thing would apply to nations today who would adopt the Gospel as their Constitution. In doing so, that nation will be blessed, materially and spritually.

However, what individuals should pursue material prosperity has to be between the Holy Spirit and the individual. The Spirit gives gifts as He sees fit, and we need to submit to Him. There are many ways to be prosperous in the world besides just material wealth. But we should not discount the matter of material prosperity, to whatever degree God may allow it.

I had the following replies, which I numbered for easier reference:

1. Yes, I have experienced spiritual riches in the past, currently, and expect to do so fully in heaven.
2. I also do a double-take when Paul refers to riches, because my word-association reflex is to material wealth.
3. I feel blessed by the opportunity to be raised by Christian parents, to raise my own children, and to be a child of God.
4. I view the material prosperity of western civilization to be caused by biblical principles such as the "Protestant ethic".
5. Conversely, I think the poverty typical in Communist and Muslim countries is due to moral corruption.
6. However, I realize that many immoral Jews, Socialists and others have prospered materially via exploitation.
7. I think there needs to be checks on corruption in all sectors of government and business.
8. We cannot legislate morality, but laws can prevent exploitation and promote equal opportunity.

Over...

 

[Doll]

I had the following replies, which I numbered for easier reference:

1. Yes, I have experienced spiritual riches in the past, currently, and expect to do so fully in heaven.
2. I also do a double-take when Paul refers to riches, because my word-association reflex is to material wealth.
3. I feel blessed by the opportunity to be raised by Christian parents, to raise my own children, and to be a child of God.
4. I view the material prosperity of western civilization to be caused by biblical principles such as the "Protestant ethic".
5. Conversely, I think the poverty typical in Communist and Muslim countries is due to moral corruption.
6. However, I realize that many immoral Jews, Socialists and others have prospered materially via exploitation.
7. I think there needs to be checks on corruption in all sectors of government and business.
8. We cannot legislate morality, but laws can prevent exploitation and promote equal opportunity.

Over...

The prosperity doctrine is not related to the scriptural teachings of prospering in the spirit.

The PD in a nutshell tells its believers god said,love me and in exchange I'll make you rich.

Watch a Joel Osteen infomercial pushing PD.
He never teaches Scripture as written. He never teaches about sin,redemption,etc....

His corporation seats thousands. And every day they're open to promote one of his latest personal monetary enrichment lectures they make well over a million dollars in 'donations'. Twice over on Sunday.

 

[studentoftheword]

I think this word Prosperity ----is abused --mistreated and very Misunderstood by many Unbelievers and Believers ----

Prosperity ---means Success -----that Success is brought on by a strong Faith based Relationship with Jesus Christ ----His Faith that is inbirthed in us has to be rooted and Grounded in Him ----He Is the Vine ----through which all prosperity comes ---and we are to be rooted and grounded in the Vine so we have the promise of Prosperity -------

Hebrew word for prosperity

Lexical Summary
tsalach: To prosper, succeed, advance, thrive
break out, come (mightily), go over, be good, be meet, be profitable
Topical Lexicon

Semantic and Theological Overview
צָלַח (tsalach) gathers under one roof ideas of breaking out, rushing forward, and succeeding. Whether describing a torrent of the Spirit, the steady growth of a righteous life, or the victory of a king, the verb consistently attributes true prosperity to the active hand of the LORD.

1 cause to prosper Daniel 3:30 (with ל person).

2 shew prosperity, be prosperous Daniel 6:29 (of person); have success (in building) Ezra 6:14; be successful (of work) Ezra 5:8

I say ---God Prospered Job -----with Material things ----and when He lost everything ---God replaced it with TWICE as Much -----So Job had wealth ---that God Provided him with ---

Greek word for prosperity

Lexical Summary
euporia: Prosperity, wealth, abundance

Acts presents several instances where financial interests clash with kingdom priorities (Acts 8:18-23; 16:16-19). The single use of the term in 19:25 crystallizes a broader biblical warning: material gain becomes idolatrous whenever it supplants devotion to the living God.

Deuteronomy 8:18------God will bless your hands and you will prosper in whatever you put your hands to --

Strong's Concordance

Wealth in Luke-Acts

Luke consistently portrays wealth as spiritually hazardous when detached from kingdom purposes.

Yet Luke also commends generosity (Acts 2:44-45; 4:32-35) and responsible stewardship (Luke 16:10-12). Wealth itself is not condemned; its misuse, self-centeredness, and capacity to forge counterfeit security are.

True prosperity in biblical perspective

Scripture locates genuine prosperity in covenant relationship with God. Psalm 1 depicts the righteous as “a tree planted by streams of water,” fruitful and secure, whereas the wicked are “like chaff.” Paul echoes this by declaring that “godliness with contentment is great gain” (1 Timothy 6:6), warning that the love of money “is a root of all kinds of evil” (1 Timothy 6:10).

In Christ, believers inherit “every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms” (Ephesians 1:3), a wealth untouched by market



AI

The scripture "I will bless all the work of your hands" is found in Deuteronomy 28:12. It is part of a larger passage promising blessings and prosperity to those who obey God's commands. Specifically, it states,

"The Lord will open to you his good treasury the heavens, to give the rain of your land in its season and to bless all the work of your hands; and you shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow.

 

[Burn1986]

I don't think it's a matter of Lukewarm anything.

Mormons are not Christian. Actual Mormons,are not Christians.
And posers who claim to have been Mormon but are now Christian expose themselves pretty quickly when on the Net.

http://www.allinthedifference.com/difference-between-lds-and-mormon/


Businesses that are owned by Latter-day Saints and the Church

Just a figure of speech, chill bro

 

[Doll]

Just a figure of speech, chill bro

Don't tell me to chill
I posted.
Nothing to get hot about,"bro".

 

[Burn1986]

Don't tell me to chill
I posted.
Nothing to get hot about,"bro".

Okayyy. There’s a lot of “love” on the forum today.

 

[randyk]

OK.

The word salad remark tells me you're not able to engage in mature discussion.

And you avoid facts at all costs.

That's too bad.

What is "nuanced, nuanced" if not "word salad?" And you don't want to explain it. That's like word salad--it doesn't say anything after having already said a lot. Maturity is being able to stand up for your position and discuss other views respectfully. We can both learn to do that even more, right?

 

[randyk]

I think this word Prosperity ----is abused --mistreated and very Misunderstood by many Unbelievers and Believers ----

Prosperity ---means Success -----that Success is brought on by a strong Faith based Relationship with Jesus Christ ----His Faith that is inbirthed in us has to be rooted and Grounded in Him ----He Is the Vine ----through which all prosperity comes ---and we are to be rooted and grounded in the Vine so we have the promise of Prosperity -------

Hebrew word for prosperity

Lexical Summary
tsalach: To prosper, succeed, advance, thrive
break out, come (mightily), go over, be good, be meet, be profitable
Topical Lexicon

Semantic and Theological Overview
צָלַח (tsalach) gathers under one roof ideas of breaking out, rushing forward, and succeeding. Whether describing a torrent of the Spirit, the steady growth of a righteous life, or the victory of a king, the verb consistently attributes true prosperity to the active hand of the LORD.

1 cause to prosper Daniel 3:30 (with ל person).

2 shew prosperity, be prosperous Daniel 6:29 (of person); have success (in building) Ezra 6:14; be successful (of work) Ezra 5:8

I say ---God Prospered Job -----with Material things ----and when He lost everything ---God replaced it with TWICE as Much -----So Job had wealth ---that God Provided him with ---

Greek word for prosperity

Lexical Summary
euporia: Prosperity, wealth, abundance

Acts presents several instances where financial interests clash with kingdom priorities (Acts 8:18-23; 16:16-19). The single use of the term in 19:25 crystallizes a broader biblical warning: material gain becomes idolatrous whenever it supplants devotion to the living God.

Deuteronomy 8:18------God will bless your hands and you will prosper in whatever you put your hands to --

Strong's Concordance

Wealth in Luke-Acts

Luke consistently portrays wealth as spiritually hazardous when detached from kingdom purposes.

Yet Luke also commends generosity (Acts 2:44-45; 4:32-35) and responsible stewardship (Luke 16:10-12). Wealth itself is not condemned; its misuse, self-centeredness, and capacity to forge counterfeit security are.

True prosperity in biblical perspective

Scripture locates genuine prosperity in covenant relationship with God. Psalm 1 depicts the righteous as “a tree planted by streams of water,” fruitful and secure, whereas the wicked are “like chaff.” Paul echoes this by declaring that “godliness with contentment is great gain” (1 Timothy 6:6), warning that the love of money “is a root of all kinds of evil” (1 Timothy 6:10).

In Christ, believers inherit “every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms” (Ephesians 1:3), a wealth untouched by market

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AI

The scripture "I will bless all the work of your hands" is found in Deuteronomy 28:12. It is part of a larger passage promising blessings and prosperity to those who obey God's commands. Specifically, it states,

"The Lord will open to you his good treasury the heavens, to give the rain of your land in its season and to bless all the work of your hands; and you shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow.

As I said in my original statement, prosperity was an integral part of God's covenant with the nation Israel. It was not a covenant with individuals, but more, a covenant with the nation. Generally speaking, the nation would enjoy success if they accomodated God's will and did what He said. They would "prosper."

I think Israel was made to be a model for all future nations who wished to like Israel become nations of God. Christian nations, in fact, have attempted to be "nations of God." There has been mixed success, however, because just like Israel no nation is perfect. There will be dissenters, and those who radically oppose a single religious system--a theocracy.

Just for saying this I get booed. Oh well--I believe in prosperity if "my people who are called by My Name will humble themselves and pray...then will I hear from heaven, heal their land, etc." The modern world says, "If we are just fair to all religions, we will have peace. We must resist any religion that lays claim to the whole state. 'Have no other gods' must be expelled from our schools, libraries, and politics." Unfortunately we live in times when Christianity is in decline and perhaps beginning to suffer a total eclipse?

 

[Doll]

What is "nuanced, nuanced" if not "word salad?"

You just called that article that wherein the words,nuance,nuanced, was used repeatedly, you word salad.

And you don't want to explain it. That's like word salad--it doesn't say anything after having already said a lot. Maturity is being able to stand up for your position and discuss other views respectfully. We can both learn to do that even more, right?

You seem confused.

I made my position clear.

 

[randyk]

You just called that article that wherein the words,nuance,nuanced, was used repeatedly, you word salad.

You said this:
"Pay attention to the repeated, nuanced, terminology here .
https://fbchurch.org/resource/chosen-produced-by-mormons"

I visited the link, and had no idea what "nuanced, repeated terminology" you were referring to? Maybe I missed it?

Apparently you imagined that facilitating the streaming of the production is the same as what you referred to as an "LDS production?" That is, again, like saying they hired an LDS janitor so that you can call it an LDS production?

You seem confused.

I made my position clear.

Well, I had to go back and figure out what you meant by "nuanced terminology." That was anything but clear to me--I just never saw it. But I do understand that you *think* that someone they hired who was relatively "clean," in terms of moral pictures, might do some professional work for pay. But don't you realize that this LDS company had nothing to do with the story? It was *not* their production! The article itself says that with zero nuanced terminology!