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randyk

randyk

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A critique of Osteen's Prosperity Gospel:

I submitted my own response as follows:
Simple answer has taken me years to learn: Jesus in his earthly ministry preached the Law, which required all 316 or so requirements and included, in Deuteronomy, the promise to prosper the Israeli nation. This promise of prosperity, however, required obedience to the Law of Moses, and was a general promise of prosperity for the *nation* and not for *individuals.*

God gifts individuals and calls them individually. Some He will prosper materially, and some He will not. We all have to submit to God's will. But we all have to obey in order to enjoy God's favor with respect to our eternal inheritance.

This is true for nations today in the New Testament era. Our nation will be blessed if we obey, as a people, the Gospel of Christ. Some individuals will be wonderfully prospered. Others will be called to less "material" prosperity, but will prosper in other ways.

But we must all submit to the Cross. And we saw how a nation will end up when a nation is in spiritual decline and disobeys God.
 
I wonder...

If it is better to use a word other than "nation" to describe the United States? Typically, the Greek word for nation (ethnos) means a people group with a shared origin. There are assumptions built into the definition: the people have a common ancestor, common language, and common culture. Given this, the homogeneity of the population, a whole nation could be rightfully judged.

Now, since God ordained One Man from the many (Christ) with every member being "of God", it seems we are moving toward only two distinct nations in the earth: one with the culture of Adam given to sin and the other with the culture of Christ given to righteousness.

Just my thoughts.
 
Is there another video that actually shows this happened? I want to see them actually say those things to each other and see the reactions. Because this video is just comprised of two still photos of Jonathan Roumie and Joel Osteen separately - they're not even in the photo together. How can I verify this actually happened?


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randyk said:
A critique of Osteen's Prosperity Gospel:

I submitted my own response as follows:
Simple answer has taken me years to learn: Jesus in his earthly ministry preached the Law, which required all 316 or so requirements and included, in Deuteronomy, the promise to prosper the Israeli nation. This promise of prosperity, however, required obedience to the Law of Moses, and was a general promise of prosperity for the *nation* and not for *individuals.*

God gifts individuals and calls them individually. Some He will prosper materially, and some He will not. We all have to submit to God's will. But we all have to obey in order to enjoy God's favor with respect to our eternal inheritance.

This is true for nations today in the New Testament era. Our nation will be blessed if we obey, as a people, the Gospel of Christ. Some individuals will be wonderfully prospered. Others will be called to less "material" prosperity, but will prosper in other ways.

But we must all submit to the Cross. And we saw how a nation will end up when a nation is in spiritual decline and disobeys God.
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I agree with your response. It is interesting to contemplate what the world would be like if from the beginning everyone had cooperated with the will of God for His will to be done on earth. This world would be almost heavenly, with minimal disease and poverty due to natural disasters and no wars or crime caused by humanity.

To the extent that people and governments cooperate with GW, they will be blessed both materially and spiritually.
 
This disclaimer posted under this pretend vid:

Disclaimer: This video is a work of fiction. Names, characters, places, and events are either products of the author’s imagination or used in a fictional manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or real events is purely coincidental. This content is intended for entertainment purposes only. Sound or visuals were significantly edited or digitally generated.
 
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This disclaimer posted under this pretend vid:

Disclaimer: This video is a work of fiction. Names, characters, places, and events are either products of the author’s imagination or used in a fictional manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or real events is purely coincidental. This content is intended for entertainment purposes only. Sound or visuals were significantly edited or digitally generated.
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Since the beginning of using AI misinformation has exploded.
Misinformation = lying & deceit. When we use such a video, we unknowingly spread lying & deceit.
 
TabinRivCA said:
This disclaimer posted under this pretend vid:

Disclaimer: This video is a work of fiction. Names, characters, places, and events are either products of the author’s imagination or used in a fictional manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or real events is purely coincidental. This content is intended for entertainment purposes only. Sound or visuals were significantly edited or digitally generated.
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Thank you so much for pointing this out! I had not thought to look in the description box!


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I think Matthew chapter 6 is pretty clear about this kind of thing . Where do u want your reward ? In this life ? Or in the next ?
 
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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Is there another video that actually shows this happened? I want to see them actually say those things to each other and see the reactions. Because this video is just comprised of two still photos of Jonathan Roumie and Joel Osteen separately - they're not even in the photo together. How can I verify this actually happened?


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Good point. I've been looking--unsuccessful so far. Please note that on the site my response was acknowledged. BTW, I meant to say "613 requirements" in the Law.
 
TabinRivCA said:
This disclaimer posted under this pretend vid:

Disclaimer: This video is a work of fiction. Names, characters, places, and events are either products of the author’s imagination or used in a fictional manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or real events is purely coincidental. This content is intended for entertainment purposes only. Sound or visuals were significantly edited or digitally generated.
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AI can use embellishments and still represent a real interaction. I doubt Osteen's TV show would offer a repeat performance assuming one did happen? I'd love it if someone can prove the event didn't happen. My AI search says it did happen. I'm interesting in the truth.
 
2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Thank you so much for pointing this out! I had not thought to look in the description box!


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Using AI does not mean the event did not happen. I'd appreciate it if you find evidence that it didn't happen, or that it did happen. My AI search says it did happen. AI embellishments can be used in probably as many ways as you can imagine. But it doesn't mean artificial aids invalidate the event.
 
Well, Roumie is right in his position on prosperity; but I don't have any real confidence in either one of them.
 
Try to fast and pray for prosperity and see what happens. You’ll find out, but you won’t do it again.
 
randyk said:
Using AI does not mean the event did not happen. I'd appreciate it if you find evidence that it didn't happen, or that it did happen. My AI search says it did happen. AI embellishments can be used in probably as many ways as you can imagine. But it doesn't mean artificial aids invalidate the event.
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You're trusting too much in AI.


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Btw, the guy producing this vid, Jonathan Heroic, has created several other make-believe vids, go to his page under the video. Spoiler alert: all are fake w/disclaimers.
 
randyk said:
I'm abandoning this thread because it does seem silly and concocted. Thanks.
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Here is what I posted on this thread:

I opined that it is interesting to contemplate what the world would be like if from the beginning everyone had cooperated with the will of God for His will to be done on earth. This world would be almost heavenly, with minimal disease and poverty due to natural disasters and no wars or crime caused by humanity. To the extent that people and governments cooperate with GW, they will be blessed both materially and spiritually.

I also noted that verses like these constitute Paul's prosperity gospel: Rom. 9:23, 11:33, Eph. 2:7, 3:8, Col. 1:27, 2:2.

Do you want to discuss any of this?
 
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